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LittleLambofJesus

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God gave us the animals for this reason, to eat them and of them. we take the milk, God has allowed it. Genisis, account of Noah
A couple things, one is that, this is the reason that the religion is false, because it gives people justification from god, allegedly, to do these things, which are evil and cruel.
That is of course your own view since you know very little of what our Bible teaches. If you want to say our religion is false, fine, then just don't believe in it but do not attack our Bible just because you yourself feels it does not fit in with your own views. Peace.

Gene 9:2 and your fear and your dread is on every beast of the earth, and on every fowl of the heavens, on all that creepeth on the ground, and on all fishes of the sea--into your hand they have been given. 3 Every creeping thing that is alive, to you it is for food; as the green herb I have given to you the whole; 4 only flesh in its life--its blood--ye do not eat.
 
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That is of course your own view since you know very little of what our Bible teaches. If you want to say our religion is false, fine, then just don't believe in it but do not attack our Bible just because you yourself feels it does not fit in with your own views. Peace.

Gene 9:2 and your fear and your dread is on every beast of the earth, and on every fowl of the heavens, on all that creepeth on the ground, and on all fishes of the sea--into your hand they have been given. 3 Every creeping thing that is alive, to you it is for food; as the green herb I have given to you the whole; 4 only flesh in its life--its blood--ye do not eat.

But there is a reason to attack it, because it gives people justification for the worst systematic abuse that exists in the world. Factory farming is pure evil.

Anyway regards genesis, I have the book here and the text isn't the same, maybe the christian version has changed that bit.

This says, and I'm typing directly from the book,

19. And it became evening and it became morning: a fourth day,

20. And God spake: Let the waters swarm with moving living beings and let birds fly above the earth before the vault of the heaven.

21. So it is God Who created the great family of fish and all the life of every living creature that moveth, with which the water swarmed, for their species, and every winged bird for its species; and God saw that it was good.

22. And God blessed them thus. Be fruitful and multiply and fill the water in the seas, but birds are to multiply on the earth.

23. And it became evening and it became morning: a fifth day.

24. And God spake: Let the earth bring forth the living creatures for its species, beats of pasture and creeping things and animals of the land for its species and thus it became.

25. So it is God Who created the animals of the land for its species, and the beasts of pasture for its species and every creeping thing of the earth for its species, and God saw that it was good.

26. And God spake: Let Us make Adam (a representative) in a form worthy of Us as is commensurate with being in Our likeness and they shall have dominion over the fish of the sea and the birds of the heaven and over animals and over the whole earth and over all creeping things that creep on the earth.

27. So God created Man in a form worthy of Himself, in a form worthy of God did He create him; male and female created He them.

28. And God blessed them, and God spake unto them: Be fruitful and multiply yourself and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the bird of the air and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29. And God spake: see I have given you all herbage that strews seed which is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree on which there is fruit which strews its seed; to you it shall be food.

30. and to every animal of the earth and to all the birds of the heaven and to every living thing that moveth upon the earth, in which there is living spirit, all the green or plants for food. And thus it became.

31. And God saw the whole of what He had made, and lo! it was very good. And it became evening and it became morning: the sixth day.

The reason I typed that is to show you that, if you believe in the religion, genesis says nothing about our being able to use animals as food.
 
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The reason I typed that is to show you that, if you believe in the religion, genesis says nothing about our being able to use animals as food.
Maybe this is just a bad translation in Genesis 9?
Gene 9:2 and your fear and your dread is on every beast of the earth, and on every fowl of the heavens, on all that creepeth on the ground, and on all fishes of the sea--into your hand they have been given. 3 Every creeping thing that is alive, to you it is for food; as the green herb I have given to you the whole; 4 only flesh in its life--its blood--ye do not eat.
 
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1:29God said, 'Behold, I have given you every seedbearing plant on the face of the earth, and every tree that has seedbearing fruit. It shall be to you for food.1:30For every beast of the field, every bird of the sky, and everything that walks the land, that has in it a living soul, all plant vegetation shall be food.' It remained that way.

Is another translation of the two key paragraphs
 
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Ok I've just realised the bit you're referring to, littlelamb, is in the aftermath of the flood.

Again unlike after the flood, we now do not need meat.

It's nice that after your god killed nearly everything that lived on the planet, it then allowed you to kill animals for ever. Your kind and merciful god could have disabled their nervous systems, or perhaps written: Ye shall only eat meat for as long as there is no vegetation, or perhaps your kind, loving merciful god could have performed a miracle, and created vegetation so that meat wasn't needed.

Discussing these religions brings me down to a level which is spiritually and ethically beneath me, so I will not continue.

And this is going off topic.
 
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Ok I've just realised the bit you're referring to, littlelamb, is in the aftermath of the flood.

Again unlike after the flood, we now do not need meat.

It's nice that after your god killed nearly everything that lived on the planet, it then allowed you to kill animals for ever. Your kind and merciful god could have disabled their nervous systems, or perhaps written: Ye shall only eat meat for as long as there is no vegetation, or perhaps your kind, loving merciful god could have performed a miracle, and created vegetation so that meat wasn't needed.

Discussing these religions brings me down to a level which is spiritually and ethically beneath me, so I will not continue.

And this is going off topic.

so what god is it that you worship? i will check out your thread in a minute. if you beleive in god, he/she/ it must be the same that allowed suffering on this earth?

as to your response to why god created them with a nervous system. why didnt god just get rid of it? well you could say that to alot of things. as one example "why didnt god just not allow suffering". or "death" or "life".

i beleive god is a god of mercy. and if he did create allo being with a soul then all will stand before him
 
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so what god is it that you worship? i will check out your thread in a minute. if you beleive in god, he/she/ it must be the same that allowed suffering on this earth?

as to your response to why god created them with a nervous system. why didnt god just get rid of it? well you could say that to alot of things. as one example "why didnt god just not allow suffering". or "death" or "life".

i beleive god is a god of mercy. and if he did create allo being with a soul then all will stand before him

My idea of god is pandeism which is also explained on page 5.

As for the bible god, it's obviously up to you wether you believe in it.
 
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My idea of god is pandeism which is also explained on page 5.

As for the bible god, it's obviously up to you wether you believe in it.
Hi. The LORD promised to send a "redeemer" to us and in my humble view, that was the Lord Jesus Christ of our Bible.
Revelation explains it pretty well I believe. :wave:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2885502-why-christians-do-eat-pork-despite-its.html

Hosea 13:14 "I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will Redeem Them from death. O Death, I will be your plagues! O Grave, I will be your destruction! Pity is hidden from My eyes.
Revelation 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slaughtered, And have Redeemed Us to God by Your blood Out of eve
ry tribe and tongue and people and nation,
 
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Hi. The LORD promised to send a "redeemer" to us and in my humble view, that was the Lord Jesus Christ of our Bible.
Revelation explains it pretty well I believe. :wave:

Hosea 13:14 "I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will Redeem Them from death. O Death, I will be your plagues! O Grave, I will be your destruction! Pity is hidden from My eyes.

That's nice of the lord, but 57 billion animals are killed or used for milk or eggs worldwide every year, and christianity condones it.

And once you've seen an animal thrashing about, suffocating and bleeding to death, until it dies, you might put your own ethical concerns ahead of what your ancient book tells you is or isn't ok. Animal farming is not acceptable, regardless of what your god says.
 
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That's nice of the lord, but 57 billion animals are killed or used for milk or eggs worldwide every year, and christianity condones it.
He didn't say He would redeem "animals" :)
 
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Hi. The LORD promised to send a "redeemer" to us and in my humble view, that was the Lord Jesus Christ of our Bible.
Revelation explains it pretty well I believe. :wave:

Hosea 13:14 "I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will Redeem Them from death. O Death, I will be your plagues! O Grave, I will be your destruction! Pity is hidden from My eyes.
There's no hope for you, is there?
Only in the LORD :wave:

(NKJV) Lamentations 3:26 [It is] good that [one] should hope and wait quietly For the salvation of the LORD.
 
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So we can do anything to animals, because god lets us eat them in exodus?

And just to clarify, there is also nothing wrong with the meat, milk or egg industries?
I don't keep up with the meat/dairy industry.

I know I did trade my "Altar of Burnt Offerings" in on a "Barbecue Grill" instead.

Hebrew 10:4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. 5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me. 6 In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin You had no pleasure. 7 Then I said, 'Behold, I have come -- In the volume of the book it is written of Me -- To do Your will, O God.' "
 
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I don't keep up with the meat/dairy industry.

I know I did trade my "Altar of Burnt Offerings" in on a "Barbecue Grill" instead.

In the meat industry animals are reared and then fattened to a pre-set slaughter weight, at which point they are killed.

In the egg industry, fowl's eggs are taken by us as food.

In the milk industry, animal's milk which is produced for their young, is taken by us.

All of these industries come along with varies cruelties.

So in accordance with god letting you eat meat, is there a problem with the meat milk or egg industry?
 
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In the meat industry animals are reared and then fattened to a pre-set slaughter weight, at which point they are killed.

In the egg industry, fowl's eggs are taken by us as food.

In the milk industry, animal's milk which is produced for their young, is taken by us.

All of these industries come along with varies cruelties.

So in accordance with god letting you eat meat, is there a problem with the meat milk or egg industry?
Then why don't you and others petition them about it.
What does that have to do with the Bible?
 
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Then why don't you and others petition them about it.
What does that have to do with the Bible?

No I asked you a question. These industries use animals for their products. We also use their bone marrow, their blood and their skin.

Are these industries acceptable, according to you, baring in mind what your god and holy book say?
 
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No I asked you a question. These industries use animals for their products. We also use their bone marrow, their blood and their skin.

Are these industries acceptable, according to you, baring in mind what your god and holy book say?
What does our Book say?
 
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