your testimony!

[mnbvcxz87]

It's a simple question, also re. post #79. Would you answer it? Is it acceptable to use animals for meat and other products?

 

[OdwinOddball]

It's a simple question, also re. post #79. Would you answer it? Is it acceptable to use animals for meat and other products?

Yes. I was personally involved in the consuming of over 12 different animals this weekend.

I do so love sushi.

 

[TricksterWolf]

It's a simple question, also re. post #79. Would you answer it? Is it acceptable to use animals for meat and other products?

Only the delicious ones. Like babies. Mmm, so tender.

Seriously, though, I love animals, but isn't animal rights waaaay off topic here?

Trickster

 

[ERice2nd]

So we can do anything to animals, because god lets us eat them in exodus?

It was in Genisis and no we cant do anything to animals, we can eat them, drink the milk, eat the eggs ever since the great flood.

If you chose not to eat animals, thats ok, I like my steak tho

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Only the delicious ones. Like babies. Mmm, so tender.

Seriously, though, I love animals, but isn't animal rights waaaay off topic here?

Trickster

I agree and why I posted this in post # 77:

Then why don't you and others petition them about it.
What does that have to do with the Bible?

 

[mnbvcxz87]

So littlelamb would you directly answer the question,

is there anything wrong with the milk, meat and egg industries?


With a yes or no.

 

[Druweid]

what i have personally heard is that things such as wicca, witchcraft and other things can make someone quite violent. also have the authority to curse people. i do not agree with that, but i guess what you personally do as to not do with the above would make me feel happier about the way you use it. i know some people who practice things like this and i do beleive it happens of the things i hear.

A person's choice of religion does not make them violent, though it does give a violent person a new way to express themselves. Witchcraft is a practice, not a religion, but does not encourage or promote violence either. It does happen to be, though, that violent and hateful people try to learn about Witchcraft, so that they can gain 'powers' to act on their anger and hate. They don't often do well, so they're rarely a concern.

but in christianity the new testement says by the holy spirit you will beelive. and this is a obvious thing that happens when peopel get "touched" by the holy spirit. such as if when you did practice magic and nothing happened, you would find it very difficult to beleive in such things.

The same could be said of a person seeking Christianity. Perhaps they will pray for something, even several times, and when nothing happens, they will find it difficult to believe such things.

but for me i have felt what the bible claims to talk about. and without it even if the bbible reading it was 100% fullproof and obvoius sense if nothing happened i would be very skeptical "why would this relgion be right?" i would be saying.

No religion is 100% foolproof. if there isn't at least one significant leap of faith, it's not a religion, it's a philosophy.

Just my thoughts,
-- Druweid

 

[OdwinOddball]

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In their Bible it quite clearly states that they were given dominion over all the animals of the world by their God. You cannot get them on a morality argument because your idea of morality is contrary to theirs.
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[sidhe]

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So, can you prove that eating meat or wearing leather is wrong by Thelemic standards?

 

[mnbvcxz87]

You berating a Christian for not being moral by Christian standards is quite funny actually. In their Bible it quite clearly states that they were given dominion over all the animals of the world by their God. You cannot get them on a morality argument because your idea of morality is contrary to theirs. Honestly all it does is show your ignorance of their beliefs, and your own personal zealotry.

That isn't correct. Firstly the bible and meat has been covered earlier, secondly the christian religion has yeshua as their god.

The religion and yeshua are both, allegedy all about being merciful and compassionate. The animal farming industry is not compatible with this message. Neither is stoning people to death, which is also part of the religion. but that isn't practiced because followers of the religion can come up with many fanciful reasons why they don't have to follow those laws.

And yet when it comes to animals, of which they and their products form most of their diets, and their favorite foods, there are no fanciful reasons. There is however, a passage from genesis which justifies it all.

But lamb still wont endorse it, and still wont answer the question. I can see through him so easily, as I can you. But I have no interest in debating with you because your state of mind is such that, there would be no point.

While lamb is lying to himself, I see that there is an active interest in morality within him, although at the moment he is more interested in going to heaven, than that.

 

[mnbvcxz87]

So, can you prove that eating meat or wearing leather is wrong by Thelemic standards?

No I don't know much about your religion but it is wrong by moral standards. If your religion allows you to use these products, then I would hold it as lowly as christianity, judaism and islam.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The religion and yeshua are both, allegedy all about being merciful and compassionate. The animal farming industry is not compatible with this message. Neither is stoning people to death, which is also part of the religion. but that isn't practiced because followers of the religion can come up with many fanciful reasons why they don't have to follow those laws.

The "Final Stoning" is for the Time of the End in the Bible.

Notice the "hail" in these passages.

Isaiah 28:17 Also I will make justice the measuring line, And righteousness the plummet; The hail will sweep away the refuge of lies, And the waters will overflow the hiding place. 18 Your covenant with death will be annulled, And your agreement with Sheol will not stand; When the overflowing scourge passes through, Then you will be trampled down by it.

Reve 16:21 And great hail from heaven fell upon men, [each hailstone] about the weight of a talent. Men blasphemed God because of the scourge of the hail, since that scourge was exceedingly great.

 

[ERice2nd]

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No I don't know much about your religion but it is wrong by moral standards. If your religion allows you to use these products, then I would hold it as lowly as christianity, judaism and islam.

You are judging us by your standards. Arent you happy that I havent done the same?

 

[sidhe]

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No I don't know much about your religion but it is wrong by moral standards. If your religion allows you to use these products, then I would hold it as lowly as christianity, judaism and islam.

Well, by Thelemic standards, you're free to do whatever you want, as long as it's your will.

So, yay, I'm a member of a lowly religion. But, y'know, at least you can't claim that I'm somehow violating some tenet of my faith by liking sushi. Or cheese.

Do you have anything constructive, or on topic, to contribute? Or do you just want to preach the gospel of veganism?

Fundies are fundies, regardless of the gospel they quote.

 

[mnbvcxz87]

You are judging us by your standards. Arent you happy that I havent done the same?

I'm judging your beliefs not you. And yes by my standards, but if your moral standards allow you to eat meat, then yours are lower.

 

[mnbvcxz87]

sidhe, watch a video of an animal having it's throat cut and then dieing and tell me if I'm being over the top. You can find them on the internet from various undercover operations.

lamb, again you side step the issue. There's nothing more to say.

 

[OdwinOddball]

I'm judging your beliefs not you. And yes by my standards, but if your moral standards allow you to eat meat, then yours are lower.

By your standards they are lower. By there standards they are not.

You are making the same mistake that many Christains make when trying to converse with Atheists. You are not trying to speak to them or to understand the opposing view, but to preach. Such tactics, while showy, usually result in the poster being ignored, and their posts tossed aside.

 

[sidhe]

sidhe, watch a video of an animal having it's throat cut and then dieing and tell me if I'm being over the top. You can find them on the internet from various undercover operations.

Yep, I've seen them. The world is full of horrible things. Most of them perpetrated by people. Obviously, the solution is the extermination of the human race. Or we should just start eating each other.

I mean, that's the only thing that's going to improve all of this. So why not just argue for that?

You neither know me, nor the amount that I do for animals. You claim the moral high ground due to a dietary choice. And, who knows, maybe you are more moral. But your approach, and your tone, honestly make me want to have a big, bloody steak.

And I don't even like meat other than fish. And, sometimes pork. But I feel really bad about the pork. I always wanted a pet pig.

 

[mnbvcxz87]

By your standards they are lower. By there standards they are not.

You are makign the same mistake that many Christains make when trying to converse with Atheists. You are not trying to speka or to understand the opposing view, but to preach. Such tactics while showy, usually result in the poster being ignored, and their posts tossed aside.

I already understand the opposing view. I have been on their side, eating meat dairy and eggs every day. Any morality which permits use of animals for meat dairy or eggs, is lower than a morality which does not.

But honestly before you respond do one thing, what I suggested to sidhe.

On this following link, if you would watch between minutes 10-13 you will see a slaughter, in a slaughterhouse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXS_Ekd_r80

 

[mnbvcxz87]

Yep, I've seen them. The world is full of horrible things. Most of them perpetrated by people. Obviously, the solution is the extermination of the human race. Or we should just start eating each other.

I mean, that's the only thing that's going to improve all of this. So why not just argue for that?

I don't follow. A better solution is that people stop buying the products...

You neither know me, nor the amount that I do for animals.

What do you do for animals? You admitted you use their flesh and skin supporting the industry that abuses them.

You claim the moral high ground due to a dietary choice. And, who knows, maybe you are more moral. But your approach, and your tone, honestly make me want to have a big, bloody steak.

That I am sorry for.