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You can "preach" whatever you want...but...and this is something you've YET to understand.

You still need suppliments and any "proof" you have that says otherwise is flat out wrong. It is not as easy as you maintain. Now either get a degree in nutrition and then you can talk to me, impregnate someone and you can tell her, or if you're a girl, get pregnant first and deal with doctors and nutritional needs and then come back and talk. You sound about as believeable as some random person yelling on a street corner. You're not a prophet. Get over yourself.

I'm rather annoyed that you continue to talk even after I tried to be nice and end our disagreement. This time the conversation is over. Go preach to someone else.

Good bye!
 
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Not a great mind at all. What I have to teach is a great message, and whoever ridicules that, I don't care. If you listen to my message, I tell you what we happen to us if we carry on the way we act, and how we can stop that happening. I also tell you what is the moral way to live, and wether you accept moral truth is up to you.


hmm, I wonder what devine right you have to tell us what is moral and what is not. We all have a conscience, we can decide what is moral or not. I for one worry about the morality of people who do evil things, like rape, murder, steal, vandalise, and bully. I have been the victim of a few of these crimes and know how cruel it is. But you insist on lecturing us about the morallity of eating meat. We get it, you love animals, there is nothing wrong with that, but it is not your place to lecture to us about moral truth. In my experince there is a vague truth to morallity, it is different in all people, its not my place to say someone is wrong though unless it comes to the crimes I have mentioned (and a few others). God gave us the food to eat and I will eat happily, I dont need you to tell me that my eating habits are morally inferior to yours.
 
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hmm, I wonder what devine right you have to tell us what is moral and what is not. We all have a conscience, we can decide what is moral or not. I for one worry about the morality of people who do evil things, like rape, murder, steal, vandalise, and bully. I have been the victim of a few of these crimes and know how cruel it is. But you insist on lecturing us about the morallity of eating meat. We get it, you love animals, there is nothing wrong with that, but it is not your place to lecture to us about moral truth. In my experince there is a vague truth to morallity, it is different in all people, its not my place to say someone is wrong though unless it comes to the crimes I have mentioned (and a few others). God gave us the food to eat and I will eat happily, I dont need you to tell me that my eating habits are morally inferior to yours.

If I understand correctly, he's invented his own religion. If memory serves, he calls it "Truthism."
 
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i'm not messianic anymore, but...

a messianic jew is someone who is a Jew, but believes that Jesus was the Messiah.. However, they still use the Torah and the laws of the Torah, and celebrate Jewish holidays, and so forth.. But they also celebrate Chrsitmas, and use Chrsitian holidays. They are known as "Christian Jews" very commonly, or sometimes "jews for jesus" or something.

the only major difference between a messianic jews and a christian is a messianic jew still believes in the laws of the Old Testiment.

It should be noted however that is a difference between a Messianic and a Messianic Jew. The Messianic movement is overwhelmingly gentile, and they call themselves Messianics, not Messianic Jews....:)
 
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It should be noted however that is a difference between a Messianic and a Messianic Jew. The Messianic movement is overwhelmingly gentile, and they call themselves Messianics, not Messianic Jews....:)

I am a bit confused by your recognition that there exists such a thing as a "Messianic Jew." I was under the impression that practicing Christianity is one of the few things that causes a Jew to cease being a Jew. Is this not correct?
 
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It should be noted however that is a difference between a Messianic and a Messianic Jew. The Messianic movement is overwhelmingly gentile, and they call themselves Messianics, not Messianic Jews....:)
So there are Christians, Messianics and Messianic Jews? Do Messianic Jews consider themselves christian and why are they called "Messianic"? Also, "Gentile" is a foreign word to me. Peace and Shalom.
2 corin 3:12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech -- 13 unlike Moses, [who] put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were dull. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the [veil] is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. [kalumma <2571>]
 
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I am a bit confused by your recognition that there exists such a thing as a "Messianic Jew." I was under the impression that practicing Christianity is one of the few things that causes a Jew to cease being a Jew. Is this not correct?

I personally do not believe in "Messianic Judaism", it is a form of Christianity and a "Messianic Jew" has become
a Christian.
However, he remains a Jew....an apostate, but still
a Jew. There is no way to "opt out" of being a Jew...:)
 
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So there are Christians, Messianics and Messianic Jews? Do Messianic Jews consider themselves christian and why are they called "Messianic"? Also, "Gentile" is a foreign word to me. Peace and Shalom.

Messianic Jews do not consider themselves to be Christians, although other Jews view them as such.
I think they call themselves Messianic because it
is easier for them to accept than being called
Christian.
Gentile is a foreign word? What other terminology
would you suggest? :) (other than that "other"
word....:) )
 
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I personally do not believe in "Messianic Judaism", it is a form of Christianity and a "Messianic Jew" has become
a Christian.
However, he remains a Jew....an apostate, but still
a Jew. There is no way to "opt out" of being a Jew...:)
Well, if believes unto the True Jew, Jesus Christ, than I suppose he would be a Jew in that regard. Btw, is that by Tribal affiliation or by tradition?

Matthew 1:1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham: 2 Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob, and Jacob begot Judah and his brothers.
reve 5:5 But one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals."
 
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Well, if believes unto the True Jew, Jesus Christ, than I suppose he would be a Jew in that regard. Btw, is that by Tribal affiliation or by tradition?

Sorry, I don't understand the question :scratch: :confused:
 
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Well, if believes unto the True Jew, Jesus Christ, than I suppose he would be a Jew in that regard. Btw, is that by Tribal affiliation or by tradition?

Matthew 1:1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham: 2 Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob, and Jacob begot Judah and his brothers.
reve 5:5 But one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals."
Sorry, I don't understand the question :scratch: :confused:
I was born and raised in a Christian family, some are born and raised in the religions of Muslim, Hindu, Budhists, Judaism etc and sometimes change to different religions later in life.

Another words, Judaism is a religion/tradition just as any other religion in my view, just as "christ-ianity" is a religion of which I am. :wave:
 
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I was raised a mainstream Protestant Christian. I was always comfortable admitting my belief in the Christian god. From my mid-late teens until age 25 I was a very devoted Evangelical.

In January 2004 I abandoned Christianity and "faith" based religion{due to intellectual doubts, lack of any god presense in my life, and other issues}. I discovered the religious philosophy of Deism{belief in god based on reason,evidence,natural law} and remain such to this day.

Though I have been through a few other beliefs
I became Deist, rather I realized I was Deist because I may have lost faith in faith and theism, but I still could'nt and can't deny the validity of the arguments from design and argument of "first cause". I have always been a doubtful deist though{in other words, maintained an element of doubt, not 100% certain- but in the 90'th percentile; thus I am faithless}. I suppose some may call me an Agnostic-Deist, which if cool, but I do lean strongly towards Deism; and not JUST classical deism though, but a progrssive kind of it, I often find myself leaning towards PanDeism/PanenDeism{the universe is or is a part of God, but unlike in Pantheism- not a "personal" or human-centric divinity}. I am Deist because it makes logical sense, it is backed up by reason, can be evidenced{though not YET "proven"}and it does not defy natural laws and scientific findings or reason.

I also joined the "Universist"{not UniverSAList} movment in April "04" and remained a active member for two eyars{dropped it April "06" do to some changes in the movement and philosophy which meant the dropping of the elements that attracted me, or at least the dumbing down oif them}. It was a freethought reason-based religious philosophy that advocated leanings towards either Deism,Athiesm,Pantheism,Trancendentalism, or Agnosticism, and like-minded humantic,rationalistic spiritualities or philosophies. It's basis is open-minded "uncertainty"{faithlessness} and inspiration in beeing uncertain. However, as I said I no longer remain a member.

I also started researching Satanism,Luciferianism, and the Occult in late "04"/early "05". I began taking my interest in both Luciferianism and Satanism quite seriuosly around March-ish '05", even though I'd allready joined an online Luciferian order/church-'The Church of Lucifer" a few months before hand{of which i am no longer a member}. I have studied all forms of Satanism and Luciferianism{many different types} and have adopted elements of modern Satanism mixed with a stronger focus on "Luciferiainism" or "Lucifer"{as "light-bearer", SYMBOLICAL}, and what is called "Dark Doctrines" Satanism{SAT/TAN} which deals with with scientific ideals and the animating ONE DARKNESS{the dark,unknown first cause/prime mover which caused big bang and infuses the creation itself in an impersonal manner, creating and destroying; wherein SAT is Vedantic/Sanscrit for "Pure existence /or BEEING" and TAN is such for "Unfolding into, becoming into, BECOMING"}, it combines a small element of the modern non-theistic Satanism with a more deistic{or pandeistic} take and with Taoist and Vedantic and oither eastern philosophies/religions ideas. I find this to be a great description of the deists "natures God" and of the first cause/prime mover, and thus am drawn to it; and also am inspired to become more self-aware/self-knowledgable and become into myself{in the exoteric and esoteric sense}, always recognizing myself as part of the ALL{which includes everyone and everything else}. I have the modern Satanism and Luciferianism elements added on for psychological inspiration and.or cathartic value.

I am and remain a faithless, semi-spiritual ,reason-based freethinking seeker; and am currently on both the path of Deism{and it's offshoots} and these forms of Satanism/Luciferianism/Occultism. I emphasize Deism or Satanism{Luciferianism} at different times, in different contexts, to differing degrees, depending on what I see fit for the context. I am not uncomfortable with calling the deistic 1st cause/prime mover "God", though I see no reason to be uncomfrtable with calling it "Satan" either[both are human made words for the ineffable,vast thing that got the ball rollin}for different reasons. Geneally I just call it by functional titles though= "first cause", "prime mover',"Creative intelleligence/creator", so on and so forth.
It could be said I believe in the "probability'{not certainty] of a Cosmocrator"{cosmos creator} or "Godevil".

I am inspired by the search and the freethinking process{via reason-based philosophy} and by experimenting with occult ideology/practice to see what if any validity there be to it.

In Reason:
Irrev.Bill
 
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Another words, Judaism is a religion/tradition just as any other religion in my view, just as "christ-ianity" is a religion of which I am. :wave:

Well, Judaism is religion/tradition/culture/peoplehood,
but most important it is a covenant between us
and HaShem...
 
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My religious search began really when I was 12. I was a wierd child, having bad bouts of depression and incapacitation that where the result of a bone deformacy I have, called multiple genetic osteocondroma. The depression bouts have become normal for me but where really compounded by two factors at that time, one was my move away from my hometown the other my inability to focus my ideas on the Divine. So in an attempt to better my condition and clear up some uncertianties in life, i began to search through religions due to the fact I knew I was a theist. I came to believe I had in my heart the feeling for either a dualistic set up or a monotheistic set up. I began looking at the religion of my Father and Ancestors, (Reform Judaism) but this was found by me to be spiritually lacking. Then I looked to Christianity which was encouraged basically by all my friends and nieghbors. I couldn't accept the Christian concept of the trinity, which demands love or eternal torment. So after one trip to the local baptist church, I gave up knowing in my heart that wasn't the word of G-d. Then I looked up Manichaeism, but the dualism lost all mettle in regards to my feelings of the universe, and Zorastrianism, when I saw the actual scriptual basis for the conversion clause, left me give up immediatly. I read the Baha'i faith, but I didn't believe one minute for 'Christ' to be a prophet of G-d, and that sealed the fate of Islam in my mind as well. For Hinduism, it didn't have the pull for me, I didn't experiance the emotional connection to their one being. My friends encouraged another look at my religion, as did my mom, who was born from a Jewish mom but raised Catholic.Once again the salvation issue killed it for me, despite my reading of methodist, pentecoastal and catholic writings. I looked up Sikhism, but it was not for me after a month of research. I was lost, but then something called a 'Chabad Center' came to town. From there I have found my path, 'Chassidic' my way an interesting blend between Breslover and Lubavitcher :)
 
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