Your spouse is in hell

[silverflare]

People in Heaven realize that, since the people in Hell did not strive for good and for truth as they ought to, they could never be with God and, even though many did not have an explicit knowledge of Him as the Triune Being He is, rejected those things which He is, and which all of us know (good, truth, love, beauty).

Yes, exactly. They could never be with God. And you don't have a problem being with God if your loved one was without him?

And if someone places their love for a person (who can be themselves or others) over their love for God, it is probable they will not be saved as well.

Is God so selfish that he cannot stomach the idea of someone loving anyone more than him? So much so that they will not gain acceptance into heaven as a result? If God were truly as wonderful as he's cracked up to be, wouldn't he allow the person who loved him into heaven, and as a show of his own love for that person allow their spouse in as well?

As for our feelings right now, that we couldn't possibly ever accept some possible outcome of someone's damnation/salvation, when we are in Heaven, and truth becomes clear, all that changes.

So you wouldn't mind having a lobotomy of the grandest scale, so to speak? At the entrance to Heaven, an angel says to you: "Hey, good job, you got into heaven. I am sorry to inform you that your spouse did not, though. However, if I gain you admittance to Heaven, you will forget all about the damnation of your spouse. Is this ok with you?" you would say yes?

 

[slayer-2004]

And if someone places their love for a person (who can be themselves or others) over their love for God, it is probable they will not be saved as well.

because we all know how the perfect all powerfull infallible being who needs no improvement feels the need for everyones unquestioned love over everything else .

 

[Carico]

I, for one, could not ethically choose to live blissfully in heaven while someone I loved, especially the person I care most about, would be suffering in hell. Even if they are not suffering but are merely without God, why be in heaven if they are not here with me? I don't know about everyone else, but even knowing that my loved one had free will in making the decision would not lessen my pain and longing for them. Many would say that once in heaven, all longing and pain is gone, but I could not ethically choose to completely forget about someone I truly cared about if it meant eternal bliss and freedom from all pain and desires.

What's sad is that your loved ones would rather have you go to hell with them than to find out how they and you can go to heaven!! I sure wouldn't want to be in heaven with people who have such little regard for my soul and their own as well. If you want to spend eternity with people such as those, then you can be assured that will.

 

[silverflare]

What's sad is that your loved ones would rather have you go to hell with them than to find out how they and you can go to heaven!! I sure wouldn't want to be in heaven with people who have such little regard for my soul and their own as well. If you want to spend eternity with people such as those, then you can be assured that will.

I never said my loved ones would rather have me go to hell with them. I am, in fact, quite sure they would not.

 

[Stormy]

double post

 

[Stormy]

Says someplace in the NT that the believing spouse sanctifies the unbelieving spouse.

Here is the verse...

[Bible]1 Corinthians 7:13-14[/Bible]

 

[CRitabe]

It is my belief that "heaven is within us NOW". If heaven is within us now - are we really going to "go" somewhere when we exit this plane or is heaven perhaps only a place that is presently invisible to us?

I think there is far too much emphasis and judgment placed by Christians on WHO is going to go to heaven and who is not for I don't know that any of us truly know the answers to those questions. Sure, we might think we can interpret Holy Scripture and have all the answers; however, I believe that HS also says that God's ways and thoughts are much higher than ours and that we can only see through a glass darkly while living here. I'm taking my chances on leaving judgment about such things as Heaven and Hell and who gets in to a Presence beyond myself. My only requirement (if I read Holy Scripture correctly) is to love (and not judge) my brothers and sisters and leave judgment up to God who is truly up to the task.

Peace.

 

[Carico]

I never said my loved ones would rather have me go to hell with them. I am, in fact, quite sure they would not.

Then why would they be in hell if they sought heaven? You contradict yourself!

 

[silverflare]

One first has to believe in something to hope for someone to go there. By my spouse not believing in heaven or hell, how can they believe I will be going to hell with them if they don't even know they are going there? There is no contradiction.

 

[Chrono Traveler]

I spend my time on earth perotecting my friends, and those I love.. How many of you here would die protecting someone close to you?

I would..

But I take my love for my friends and would for my future spouse to a much higher level. If they can't come with me to an afterlife, then an afterlife isnt worth it..

 

[Buzz Dixon]

But I take my love for my friends and would for my future spouse to a much higher level. If they can't come with me to an afterlife, then an afterlife isnt worth it..

No fetus wants to leave the womb, either.

 

[Buzz Dixon]

But at least tell me what book your referring to . C.S. Lewis wrote a lot of books .

Start with THE GREAT DIVORCE (an alegory, not a marriage manuel ) then go to THE PROBLEM OF PAIN.

 

[HumbertHumbert]

God separates families. Like poachers .

 

[Buzz Dixon]

The one thing I keep hearing (well, reading, actually) in this thread and others in this forum is self-centeredness bordering on theological infantilism.

Many folks seem to be posting "I want to do whatever I want and I don't want to be held accountable for any bad choices I make or suffer the consequences of any bad actions and if God won't give me everything I want when I want it then poo on Him!"

You folks aren't talking about God, you're talking about Santa Claus.

Rick Warren's book THE PURPOSE DRIVEN life opens with this statement: "It's not about you."

I'm not at all surprised that there are so many miserable people in the world today. They're worshipping the false god of Self.

 

[HumbertHumbert]

So, Buzz,you think it's inevitable that some spouses would be left behind? Where is God's love in that? God sounds kind of cruel.

 

[slayer-2004]

"I want to do whatever I want and I don't want to be held accountable for any bad choices I make or suffer the consequences of any bad actions and if God won't give me everything I want when I want it then poo on Him!"

way off . Wanting to do whatever you want , and wanting to be free to think about what god may be like for ourselves are two very differant things .

 

[HumbertHumbert]

Woah, woah there. Doesn't God love us? Isn't the Bible all bent on convincing us that we're special creatures? So why is it not about us? Then, God has no mercy, and everyone knows that's not true.

 

[ScarabicAtheist]

Love=wanting someone's well being
god=loving of all mankind?
hell=place of eternal torment

If your wife slaps you as punishment for something you did not do, do you kill her slowly over a period of 5 years using the most nefarious torture implements you can think of?

And if your child is kidnapped at the age of 3 months, but he does not know you exist, and therefore does not love you, do you try to torture him for as long as possible when you finally meet him on his deathbed?

God, therefore, = not loving
God=Indifferent to our goodness, only to our belief in him.

Therefore, I will not worship a god that:

1. Has not been proven to exist
2. Obviously does not love me
3. Would send the one I loved to hell even IF I worshipped him
4. has a holy book that contradicts itself
5. Has thousands of competing religions that are completely incompatible and have the same amount of proof
6. Is impossible in the natural world (physics disagrees with magic)

 

[coyoteBR]

Yep, this is one of the situations that make one conclude that the literal, everlasting Bible hell does not exist.

For, If God is Perfect, he is also Perfectly Fair.
And so, in my opinion, the couple will have a nice future ahead.

 

[Carico]

No, Scabic, you give her a chance to ask you for your forgiveness which you are free or not free to grant. If she refuses to do so, then she denies wrongdoing, continues her behavior and defies you for the rest of her life.