Your opinion on drinking

[Hammster]

Hammster, you told me that when you were younger, you were a Schlitz Malt Liquor man.

If it was cheap, I probably drank it.

 

[sheina]

If you don't plan to get drunk, and can exhibit self-control, you don't have to worry, either.

Most people don't "plan" to get drunk when they take that first drink....they are deceived into believing that drinking "in moderation" (which is a big joke) is okay. No one who takes an alcoholic beverage to his/her lips knows exactly where it will lead.

 

[Hammster]

Most people don't "plan" to get drunk when they take that first drink....they are deceived into believing that drinking "in moderation" (which is a big joke) is okay. No one who takes an alcoholic beverage to his/her lips knows exactly where it will lead.

If you have that problem, then don't drink. But to think because you have an issue with drinking means that all do, then you are mistaken. There is no biblical prohibition against drinking, just drunkenness.

 

[WinBySurrender]

Most people don't "plan" to get drunk when they take that first drink....they are deceived into believing that drinking "in moderation" (which is a big joke) is okay.

What's the joke? I drink in moderation. If you don't believe that's possible, it is you who has the problem, not me.

 

[Studious One]

I woke up this morning, alone and cold
An empty wine bottle in my hand I now hold
A knot in my stomach, a pain in my head
A box in the alley I use for my bed
A doctor last month said, “Soon you will die
Cirrhosis has claimed you, there’s no need to cry”
He’s done all he can, but still there is hope
Lord Jesus, I need you, with this I can’t cope
A drunkard’s not welcome in God’s Home above
So Jesus, please cleanse me with your precious blood
I’m tired of Ol’ Slewfoot and his damning wine
So save me, Lord Jesus, on my life will you shine?

Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Proverbs 20:1 (KJV)


Many have been deceived by the devil into believing that a social drink, or just one beer, will do no harm. God’s Word warns us against this…

Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh:
For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags. Proverbs 23:20, 21 (KJV)


Alcohol is a poison that will slowly take over ones mind, and eventually, ones physical health; even to the point of taking ones very life.

Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?
They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.
Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. Proverbs 23:29-32 (KJV)


But death from alcohol is not the end. God’s Word tells us that the drunkard will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven…

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (KJV)


Where will the drunkard end up if not in heaven?

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:12-15 (KJV)


But I have good news for you. There is a way to escape…


For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 (KJV)

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8 (KJV)

But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.Romans 10:8-10 (KJV)

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Romans 10:13 (KJV)


God sent His Son Jesus Christ to be the substitution for our sins. Because of His death on Calvary, man who repents of sin and accepts the Lord Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior will be completely pardoned for his sins, and will be assured of eternal life in heaven.
Won’t you ask God to forgive you of your sins today and receive His free gift of eternal life?


If you have made this choice, your next step today is to get grounded in the Word of God and established in a local Church where the Word of God is preached so that you may grow in Christ.

 

[sheina]

What's the joke? I drink in moderation. If you don't believe that's possible, it is you who has the problem, not me.

Then I guess the "joke" is on you! The "joke" is the fact that you are being deceived. By stating that you "drink in moderation" and it has never affected you is proof of that fact.

It isn't me who has the problem, it is those who believe that they can KNOW for sure that the alcohol they drink "in moderation" will NEVER affect them or anybody else. Have you ever watched anyone die a slow alcoholic death? I have, and it isn't a pretty sight. That person was a member of my family and was told he could drink "in moderation, but just don't get drunk".

How many innocent people have been deceived by the "drinking in moderation" lie? How many have been caused to stumble and have become alcoholics/drunkards because of the actions of others who have deceived them into believing the "drinking in moderation" lie?

You may believe it is possible to drink in moderation and there is nothing wrong with it because you KNOW you aren't going to get drunk. Maybe it is...but 9 chances out of 10, you really don't know...and that is the deception.

Again, I repeat, the "joke" is on you...and the "joke" is a deception from the devil himself.

 

[SearchingStudent]

I enjoy A glass of wine occasionally. I will even have a mixed drink occasionally. But I don't get drunk. I prefer to drink flavored waters...but every now and then, like to celebrate things like finally landing a full time job after a year of looking and praying, I will have a drink. I don't have a problem with alcohol at all. In the culture I was raised in, alcohol is a non-issue. It was always around and I never saw anyone in my family drunk. It was the "americans" that got sloshed, not us.

A glass of wine is not a sin. Drinking to where you are jeopardizing your health, the health of those around you, your family's welfare...THAT is a sin. A glass of wine to celebrate a new baby, a new job, or your family finally arriving from the other side of the country...not a sin.

 

[DeaconDean]

Then I guess the "joke" is on you! The "joke" is the fact that you are being deceived. By stating that you "drink in moderation" and it has never affected you is proof of that fact.

It isn't me who has the problem, it is those who believe that they can KNOW for sure that the alcohol they drink "in moderation" will NEVER affect them or anybody else. Have you ever watched anyone die a slow alcoholic death? I have, and it isn't a pretty sight. That person was a member of my family and was told he could drink "in moderation, but just don't get drunk".

How many innocent people have been deceived by the "drinking in moderation" lie? How many have been caused to stumble and have become alcoholics/drunkards because of the actions of others who have deceived them into believing the "drinking in moderation" lie?

You may believe it is possible to drink in moderation and there is nothing wrong with it because you KNOW you aren't going to get drunk. Maybe it is...but 9 chances out of 10, you really don't know...and that is the deception.

Again, I repeat, the "joke" is on you...and the "joke" is a deception from the devil himself.

Again, look at it from a scriptural perspective.

If scriptures prohibited drinking, then why does it not say so?

If scriptures prohibit drinking, then why was one of Jesus' first miracles turning water into wine?

If scriptures prohibit drinking, why did Paul write:

"Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine" -1 Tim. 3:8 (KJV)

If scriptures prohibit drinking, why then are the qualifications different for deacons and bishops?

"Not given to wine" -1 Tim. 3:3 (KJV)

Also, did you know that before Prohibition, most Baptist churches used wine in communion?

Seems to me I remember reading in Proverbs:

"Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more." -Pro. 31:6-7 (KJV)

The joy of wisdom is compared to wine:

"Come, eat of my bread, and drink of the wine which I have mingled." -Pro. 9:5 (KJV)

It also says in Joel:

"Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:" -Joel 2:19 (KJV)

If you choose to abstain, I aplaude you, but there is nothing wrong according to scripture with having a drink of wine.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[student ad x]

For some of us who deal with chronic pain, without medicaid, a drink or 2 helps......... and God never prohibited it.

 

[sheina]

Again, look at it from a scriptural perspective.

That is exactly what I did. Proverbs 20:1 is speaking of wine being a mocker and strong drink raging...and WHOSOEVER is deceived thereby is not wise. Who is not wise? Certainly not the wine and strong drink...but whosoever is deceived by the wine and strong drink.

Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

If scriptures prohibited drinking, then why does it not say so?

It clearly does say so:

Proverbs 23:20 Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh:

Proverbs 23:29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?

Proverbs 23:30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.

Proverbs 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

Proverbs 23:32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.

Proverbs 31:4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:

Proverbs 31:5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.

Are not born again believers "kings and priests unto God" (Rev. 1:6)?

If scriptures prohibit drinking, then why was one of Jesus' first miracles turning water into wine?

Jesus did not drink or make alcoholic wine. Since the Lord Jesus Christ was "holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners" (Hebrews 7:26), it is safe to assume that He would not make that which is called in Scripture a mocker and deceiver of man (Proverbs 20:1), causing untold misery.

The word wine in the Bible is a generic word. The context in which it is used determines whether it is fermented or unfermented (fruit of the vine).

If scriptures prohibit drinking, why did Paul write:

"Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine" -1 Tim. 3:8 (KJV)

If scriptures prohibit drinking, why then are the qualifications different for deacons and bishops?

"Not given to wine" -1 Tim. 3:3 (KJV)

1 Timothy 3:8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

The phrase “not given to” is from a Greek phrase which is also translated “regardeth” (Romans 14:6) and “take heed to” (Acts 5:35). The deacon must not be a man who regards alcoholic beverages. Verse 8 begins with "likewise", which means "in the same way" or "after the same (in like) manner" referring back to the qualification of the pastor.

Also, did you know that before Prohibition, most Baptist churches used wine in communion?

So? Does that make it biblical? How do you know that? Were you there? Does that justify using wine for communion?

Seems to me I remember reading in Proverbs:

"Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more." -Pro. 31:6-7 (KJV)

Proverbs 31:6-7 describes the only proper use of an alcoholic beverage, which is as a narcotic to deaden pain. Verse 7 is a reminder that alcoholic beverages cause forgetfulness and unconcern. Also, verse 7 is not given as advice for the poor but as further warning to the king (vs. 4-5) --—alcoholic wine will produce a drunken stupor. It is therefore to be used only by the foolish. If a poor man is wise, he will avoid alcoholic beverages entirely.

The joy of wisdom is compared to wine:

"Come, eat of my bread, and drink of the wine which I have mingled." -Pro. 9:5 (KJV)

It also says in Joel:

"Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:" -Joel 2:19 (KJV)

The word wine in the Bible is a generic word. The context in which it is used determines whether it is fermented or unfermented (fruit of the vine). In the verses you quoted above, the word "wine" is speaking of the pure "fruit of the vine"...non-fermented wine or grape juice.

If you choose to abstain, I aplaude you, but there is nothing wrong according to scripture with having a drink of wine.

According to Scripture, you are being deceived. I abstain because the Word of God teaches abstinence and I'll stick with the Word of God, not the "opinion" of men.

 

[DeaconDean]

That is exactly what I did. Proverbs 20:1 is speaking of wine being a mocker and strong drink raging...and WHOSOEVER is deceived thereby is not wise. Who is not wise? Certainly not the wine and strong drink...but whosoever is deceived by the wine and strong drink.

Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Fair enough, but what of the other passages?

It clearly does say so:

Proverbs 23:20 Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh:

Proverbs 23:29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?

Proverbs 23:30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.

Proverbs 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

Proverbs 23:32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.

Proverbs 31:4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:

Proverbs 31:5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.

Again, does not context play in this?

Does this address drunkards and not merely people who take an occasional drink?

Are not born again believers "kings and priests unto God" (Rev. 1:6)?

Yes, and?

Jesus did not drink or make alcoholic wine. Since the Lord Jesus Christ was "holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners" (Hebrews 7:26), it is safe to assume that He would not make that which is called in Scripture a mocker and deceiver of man (Proverbs 20:1), causing untold misery.

What does scripture say?

"When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now." -John 2:9-10 (KJV)

The word wine in the Bible is a generic word. The context in which it is used determines whether it is fermented or unfermented (fruit of the vine).

True, but that does not explain John 2.

1 Timothy 3:8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

The phrase “not given to” is from a Greek phrase which is also translated “regardeth” (Romans 14:6) and “take heed to” (Acts 5:35). The deacon must not be a man who regards alcoholic beverages. Verse 8 begins with "likewise", which means "in the same way" or "after the same (in like) manner" referring back to the qualification of the pastor.

Actually, the Greek reads:

"μὴ οἴνῳ πολλῷ προσέχοντας"

Translated: "not wine to much addicted".

"προσέχοντας" -"to give ones self up to, be addicted to, engage in, be occupied with" 1 Tim. 1:4; 3:8, et.al.

So? Does that make it biblical? How do you know that? Were you there? Does that justify using wine for communion?

Again, just because you don't partake, does that make it wrong for anybody else?

Proverbs 31:6-7 describes the only proper use of an alcoholic beverage, which is as a narcotic to deaden pain. Verse 7 is a reminder that alcoholic beverages cause forgetfulness and unconcern. Also, verse 7 is not given as advice for the poor but as further warning to the king (vs. 4-5) --—alcoholic wine will produce a drunken stupor. It is therefore to be used only by the foolish. If a poor man is wise, he will avoid alcoholic beverages entirely.

And scriptures say it is "OK" to give it then, but at any other time it is wrong.

OK...

The word wine in the Bible is a generic word. The context in which it is used determines whether it is fermented or unfermented (fruit of the vine). In the verses you quoted above, the word "wine" is speaking of the pure "fruit of the vine"...non-fermented wine or grape juice.

According to Scripture, you are being deceived. I abstain because the Word of God teaches abstinence and I'll stick with the Word of God, not the "opinion" of men.

"οἴνῳ" -wine, Mt. 9:17; Mk. 2:22, et. al.; meton. the vine and its clusters, Rev. 6:6; met. "oinoV" a potion, "oinoV tou qumou" a furious potion, Rev. 14:8, 10; 16:19; 17:2; 18:3.

The New Analytical Greek Lexicon, Wesley J. Perschbacher, Hendrickson Publishing Company, Peabody, Mass., 01962, Copyright 1990, "oinw", p. 219

I see scripture forbidding "oinopthV" (wine-drinking in a bad sense) a wine bidder(Ibid, strongs 3630), and I see scripture forbidding "oinylugia" (to bubble over, overflow, debach with wine, drunkardness(Ibid, strongs 3632)), but nothing forbidding the drinking of wine.

Sorry.

Like I said:

If you choose to abstain, I aplaude you, but there is nothing wrong according to scripture with having a drink of wine.

I gave quotes from the "Word of God". Just because you disagree means nothing.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[Studious One]

Proverbs 23:31 (KJV) Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

Look not thou upon the wine when it... not when you, not after you, but when it...

The Hebrew word for the phrase "Look not" is the word "ra'ah". It carries with it the commands do no experience, do not approve of, do not enjoy, do not consider, do not regard.

The Word of God clearly gives us command to abstain from alcoholic wine when it says "Look not".

In the New Testament, we have Paul's 1st epistle to the saints in Thessalonika, where he writes:
1 Thessalonians 5:6 (KJV) Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
Here, Paul speaks of night and day, drunk and sober.

Just as night and day are at opposite poles, so drunk and sober are at opposite poles. The Greek word for "sober" here is the word "nepho" Nepho's primary definition is "to abstain from wine".

of uncertain affinity: to abstain from wine (keep sober), i.e. (figuratively) be discreet:--be sober, watch.

The word "sober" is speaking of an abstinent lifestyle. Just one glass of wine is enough to cause a 200 lb man to blow a .012 on a breathalyzer.

Now, while most police will let a person go with that low a blood alcohol content, can we be sure that God would? After all, His standards are much higher than man's standards. The point is, one glass of wine already has put toxins into your bloodstream. Do you really believe that God wants us putting toxins into our bloodstream? especially when we are told in His Word that "the life of the flesh is in the blood"?

Those who say they can safely drink a glass of wine are only deceiving themselves and whoever is gullible enough to believe them. God does not want us putting toxins into our blood in any amount.

That is why He tells us "Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright."

He has given us instructions not to approve of, not to experience, not to enjoy alcoholic beverages. It is not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes to drink strong drink. Those who have come to Christ have been made kings and priests unto Him, and as kings unto Him, we are not to partake of alcoholic beverages. We are not to poison our bloodstream with intoxicants.

Proverbs 20:1 (KJV) Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Those who say they can drink a glass of wine are only proving Proverbs 20:1 to be true. They have been deceived and are not wise.

 

[DeaconDean]

In the New Testament, we have Paul's 1st epistle to the saints in Thessalonika, where he writes:
1 Thessalonians 5:6 (KJV) Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
Here, Paul speaks of night and day, drunk and sober.

Just as night and day are at opposite poles, so drunk and sober are at opposite poles. The Greek word for "sober" here is the word "nepho" Nepho's primary definition is "to abstain from wine".

I don't see it.

"ἡμεῖς δὲ ἡμέρας ὄντες νήφωμεν, ἐνδυσάμενοι θώρακα πίστεως καὶ ἀγάπης καὶ περικεφαλαίαν ἐλπίδα σωτηρίας:" -1 Thes. 5:8 Greek NT

"νήφω" Strongs number 3525,

1) to be sober, to be calm and collected in spirit
2) to be temperate, dispassionate, circumspect

From the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament:

In the New Testament, the word is only used in the figurative sense,...Equation of spiritual endowment with Dionysiac intoxication might seem natural to outsiders (Acts 2:12 ff.; cf. Eph. 5:18), bit it is quite misleading. There is thusd no reason for a relativising or paradoxical estimation of soberness. The five passages in which the word is used (1 Thes. 5:6, 8; 2 Tim. 4:5; 1 Pet. 1:13; 4:7; 5:8) make it clear that "nhfein" consists in acknowledgement of the reality given with God's revelation and in the discharge of the resultant ministry by worship, hope, love, and warfare. The basis of the obviously uniform use in the NT is the usage established by the Spirit (not the letter) of the OT.

The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, Gerhard Kittle, Editor, Geoffrey W. Broniley, Translator, Eerdmen Publishing Company, Grand Rapids, Mi., Copyright 1967, Volume IV, "nhfw", p. 938-939

Also, we read from the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament:

"oinoV" Wine is very significant in Palestine. According to Gen. 9:20 Noah, the forefather of the new race, is also the first to cultivate the vine. In the OT there are many sayings in praise of wine. In Ju. 9:13 it is the drink which makes glad both men and gods, cf. Ps. 104:15. Fulness of wine is a special blessing from God, Gn. 27:28, 37; Jl. 2:23 f. Abstinance from wine (cf. the position of the Rechabites in Jer. 35, or Hos. 2:1014; 3:1, where wine is linked to Baal worship) is rare.

On the other hand, there are many warnings against overindulgance, cf. Is. 5:11; Prv. 20:1; 21:17; Sir. 19:1 ff.AS in the ancient world generally, wine has a cultic significance in the OT too, and there are many precise regulations for offering the sacrifice of wine (Ex. 29:38-41; Nu. 15:2-15).

In the New Testament, "oinoV" is mainly used in the literal sense of "wine," and never in a cultic relation. A charactistic of the Baptist (John) is that he abstains from wine, Lk. 1:15; cf. 7:33 (mt. 11:18). As those dedicated to God in the OT refrained from wine or intoxicating drinks (Nu. 6:3; cf. Ju. 13:4, 7), so John, fully consecrated to God, must be controlled solely by the fullness of the Holy Spirit.

In distinction from the Baptist, Jesus drank wine, as may be seen from Mt. 11:19; Lk. 7:37 (Jesus as "oinopothV"). According to Mk. 2:18-22 and par. Jesus justified His conduct on the ground that the time when the bridegroom is present is one of festivity. Jesus is more than a Nazarite; hence the corresponding OT regulations do not apply to Him. He explains this in the parable of the new wine and the old skins, Mk. 2:22 and par. The new which he brings cannot be mixed withthe old. Lk. 5:39 added the difficult saying: "[kai] oudeiV piwn palaion qelei neon: legei gar, o palaioV crhstoV estin."

In the accounts of the Last Supper, the term "oinoV" occurs neither in the Synopticts nor Paul. It is obvious, however, that according to custom Jesus was proffering wine in the cup over which He pronounced the blessing; this may be seen especially from the solemn "genhmatoV thV ampelou" (Mk. 14:25 and par.) which was borrowed from JudaismIn this final saying before the passioin Jesus looks forward triumpantly to the consumation in the kingdom of God which He often describes elsewhere (cf. Mt. 8:11; 22:1-14) in the image of a common meal.

Ibid, Vol. V, p. 162-164

There are, and I agree, warnings against overindulgance, but none prohibiting use.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[C-Man]

Nothing wrong with watching the game and having a few beers with your buddies. Just don't overdo it. :3

 

[dies-l]

Scripture teaches that it's okay to drink, but not to get drunk. Anyone who says otherwise is twisting Scripture to justify their own biases. That said, if it bothers your conscience (as it does mine, me being a recovering alcoholic), don't do it. If it bothers your brother's or your sister's conscience, don't do it in their presence.

 

[Rhamiel]

why do some people think that at the wedding in Cana, that Jesus turned the water into non alcoholic wine?
I do not know the greek word that was used
also, I heard one theory that some of the gospels were first written in aremaic and then translated into greek very quickly, does anyone know if that would make a differance?

 

[Skala]

Alcoholic drinks, like all things, are gifts from God that are unfortunately abused to the point that they become sinful.

For example, sex is a gift from, created by God for man's enjoyment, but we misuse it so that it becomes sinful with lust, pornography, adultery, etc.

In like manner drinking is not a sin, but drunkenness is. Etc.

 

[Hupomone10]

why do some people think that at the wedding in Cana, that Jesus turned the water into non alcoholic wine?

Probably because in Jesus' time the reason alcohol was present in wine was due to the fermentation process. It wasn't a substance directly added to the beverage as it is today, and it would not be present until fermentation took place.

If Jesus made wine that was alcoholic, that would mean He purposely created alcohol in it. There would be no reason to do so, unless He just wanted them to get high. That's why, even though I don't consider it a sin for someone to drink, I doubt Jesus purposely made alcoholic wine.

Oinos is the Greek word for wine, and it would be called oinos regardless of whether grape juice (no alcohol) or wine (with alcohol, meaning fermented).

Skala is wrong; alcoholic drinks are not a gift from God. Water is a gift, the grapes are a gift, when made into a beverage it is a gift. But when man manufactures alcohol and adds it to drinks, or in the case of liquor it is almost totally alcohol, that is an insult to God to call such a substance made by man a gift of God. Arsenic, even though is is used to poison pesty rats, is also not a gift of God.

 

[Rhamiel]

Skala is wrong; alcoholic drinks are not a gift from God. Water is a gift, the grapes are a gift, when made into a beverage it is a gift. But when man manufactures alcohol and adds it to drinks, or in the case of liquor it is almost totally alcohol, that is an insult to God to call such a substance made by man a gift of God. Arsenic, even though is is used to poison pesty rats, is also not a gift of God

the yeast is on the outside of the grapes skin, so it will naturally ferment, alcohol does not have to be added

 

[AndyDanielG]

Nothing is wrong with drinking if it doesn't get out of hand. Jesus drank wine.