you'll hate this thread, I guarantee it.

[WarriorAngel]

Incorrect.

For a time, they did.

Forgive me...

Well, here is where we seem to be talking past one another.
The Apostles didnt go there to learn from the Jews, but to teach and preach.
So basically, until they were kicked out completely and barred they were not going as simple believers...see what I mean, and why I proceeded with caution.

Homes... (most were the former homes of rich Roman citizens) not Churches. These became Churches. And as time passed they built Churches too.

Forgive me...

True, but remember Paul [as someone - you? - already mentioned] that if we hunger, go home...the meal shared was not for hungry bellies.

that has nothing to do with the corporate worship that God ordained on Mt. Sinai. and furthermore, its quite a leap to go from David dancing to assuming rock and roll Evangelical services without any continuity with the God-ordained worship of Judaism are correct.

The Church[es] do not barr anyone from dancing...as an expression of joy to the Lord
But the dance form was never put as a worship practice in the Temple or the synagogue.

So I wonder what that has to do with anything.
Its good to know God enjoys our joy in Him...
but it is not a specific form of liturgical worship.

Its an 'aside' to the liturgy. [ie, done whenever] outside of the liturgy.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

that has nothing to do with the corporate worship that God ordained on Mt. Sinai. and furthermore, its quite a leap to go from David dancing to assuming rock and roll Evangelical services without any continuity with the God-ordained worship of Judaism are correct.

That made my day.

2Kings 9:22 And it came to pass, when Joram saw Jehu, that he said, "Is it peace, Jehu"? And he answered, "What peace, so long as the whoredoms of thy mother Jezebel and her witchcrafts are so many"?

Revelation 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

 

[sunlover1]

that has nothing to do with the corporate worship that God ordained on Mt. Sinai. and furthermore, its quite a leap to go from David dancing to assuming rock and roll Evangelical services without any continuity with the God-ordained worship of Judaism are correct.

4 Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise. 5 Sing unto the LORD with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm. 6 With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King. 7 Let the sea roar, and the fulnessa thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. 8 Let the floods clap their hands: let the hills be joyful together 9 Before the LORD; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity.​

David was bringing in the Ark of the Covenant.
A very fearful and awe inspiring task to be sure.

Who said anything about rock and roll?

So you think that there needs to be
some 'specific' type of music we
sing to the Lord?

 

[simonthezealot]

relativist? how so? And seriously, I'm not deriving doctrine from this book. All I said was something that was said in the book hit a cord with me. Made me identify something within myself.

From a descriptive relativism framework...

Identifying with self is the whole draw of the emergent church, check out http://solomonsporch.com/
(emergent at its extreme)
Of course its much better to identify with Christ...

I wasn't suggesting you were deriving doctrine from there, but emergent theology always makes my hair stand on end, it should YOURS as well...
And personally I think it should be introduced as such, rather than a potential area of study or reading within protestantism.

 

[WarriorAngel]

I am just curious as to when the Orthodox have there ministry times regarding ministry gift operations and the laying on of hands for the sick/prayer times during the service..thanks..Kim

Kim step your toes into the water...and talk to a priest about this.
I am sure an EO priest can help you.

 

[jckstraw72]

So you think that there needs to be
some 'specific' type of music we
sing to the Lord?

i think it needs to be liturgical since God told us as much, and thats how they worship God in Heaven.

Seriously, someone please answer this -- what makes someone think they can do it better than Christ Himeslf and the Apostles?

 

[WarriorAngel]

4 Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise. 5 Sing unto the LORD with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm. 6 With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before the LORD, the King. 7 Let the sea roar, and the fulnessa thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. 8 Let the floods clap their hands: let the hills be joyful together 9 Before the LORD; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity.​

David was bringing in the Ark of the Covenant.
A very fearful and awe inspiring task to be sure.

Who said anything about rock and roll?

So you think that there needs to be
some 'specific' type of music we
sing to the Lord?

This is a personal form of worship. Notice it was never done in groups or led by the priesthood or leaders.

This can be done at any time...it just never was in the synagogues or Temple.
The worship was solemn and sacred.

 

[Montalban]

Make up your mind: do you want to believe the Didache or the Bible. Which is it?

They are not mutually exclusive.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

i think it needs to be liturgical since God told us as much, and thats how they worship God in Heaven.

Seriously, someone please answer this -- what makes someone think they can do it better than Christ Himeslf and the Apostles?

What do you mean by better? Without Music? The Church of Christ denomination has no music, they just sing with hymbooks for example.

Reve 28: 22 "The sound of harpists, musicians, flutists, and trumpeters shall not be heard in you anymore. No craftsman of any craft shall be found in you anymore, and the sound of a millstone shall not be heard in you anymore.
23 "The light of a lamp shall not shine in you anymore, and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in you anymore.

 

[sunlover1]

i think it needs to be liturgical since God told us as much, and thats how they worship God in Heaven.

So what kind of music would be "acceptable" then?
What do you mean by 'liturgical'?

Seriously, someone please answer this -- what makes someone think they can do it better than Christ Himeslf and the Apostles?

I worship as the Holy Spirit moves.
God doesnt always 'act' like you
anticipate or plan does He?



Just WORSHIP Him.
HOWEVER you think
you should worship.

He seeks those who
worship Him how?
In Spirit and in truth.

Let Him seek you

 

[Montalban]

In all kinds of places. It is therefore never claimed to be inspired, nor recognized as authorized by the 12 Apostles. However, already in the title it claims that authority as being "the Lord's teachings through the twelve Apostles". So, if that were true then the entire document MUST be in harmony with the Scriptures: it is not.

It is a compilation of biblical teachings (or rather a flavor thereof) mixed up with (legalistic) interpretations.

How is a compilation a contradiction? There's many a Protestant book out there where they encapsulate Protestant faith in that book, and might call it "The Real Christ", or something like that.

It begins with the 2 ways for almost half of the document but NEVER preaches the Gospel!!! Do this, do that, so typical of early legalistic tendencies: works of the flesh. Absolutely contrary to the teachings of the NT especially Galatians and Hebrews.

Hypocrites are distinguished because they fast on the wrong days of the week!!!

Jesus fasted. How does this contradict the Bible?

It misquotes and misinterprets: it has no authority whatsoever.

So far, after several people asking you where it contradicts the Bible your response is 'it does'.

Oh, and 'in lots of places'.

Not very convincing.

 

[Uphill Battle]

i think its pretty awesome that God laid out a clear path for us rather than leaving us to wander on our own!

if formulaic worship is a hindrance to us reaching God then why did God have the Jews worship liturgically, and why didnt the Apostles realize it was so bad?

Now where did I say hindrance for US?

But now you ARE the temple.
Hmm.

I know! I just think it would be really cool. I don't think I'd have had to gone there.

From a descriptive relativism framework...

Identifying with self is the whole draw of the emergent church, check out http://solomonsporch.com/
(emergent at its extreme)
Of course its much better to identify with Christ...

I wasn't suggesting you were deriving doctrine from there, but emergent theology always makes my hair stand on end, it should YOURS as well...
And personally I think it should be introduced as such, rather than a potential area of study or reading within protestantism.

emergent theology? I don't know, isn't that a bit of a kneejerk reaction? Tyndale would have been "emergent" theology of his time. So too, Luthor. So too, Calvin et. al.

It's just a guy, explaining why he believes the way he does. There is no "you should do this." or "you musn't do that."

It's a BOOK.

 

[sunlover1]

This is a personal form of worship. Notice it was never done in groups or led by the priesthood or leaders.

He was in a group at the time actually.

This can be done at any time...it just never was in the synagogues or Temple.
The worship was solemn and sacred.

What's solemn and what's 'sacred' ?
Depends on the culture.
Who are we singing for or playing for?
For men, to make sure MEN are pleased
and comfortablt iwth the music?
David didnt really care what any thought
as He said, It's for GOD.

Many tribes, many languages, and customs.
One God.
Is God showing up for the adoration?
That's all that matters.

 

[Montalban]

Is any history verifiable outside of the Scriptures?

Love,
Christina

I believe so. The early church was one of constant communications within itself. Bishops wrote to other bishops for instruction, and seeking instruction. And to give news. Hence they had lists of bishops in each others churches.

When a book comes along that no one has heard of before they comment on it and we know that it's novel to them.

 

[Uphill Battle]

He was in a group at the time actually.


What's solemn and what's 'sacred' ?
Depends on the culture.
Who are we singing for or playing for?
For men, to make sure MEN are pleased
and comfortablt iwth the music?
David didnt really care what any thought
as He said, It's for GOD.

Many tribes, many languages, and customs.
One God.
Is God showing up for the adoration?
That's all that matters.

and look how David responded to his wife, when she nagged him for not doing it the "conventional" way.

 

[Montalban]

Legalism = work of the flesh. Whoever the writer(s) was(were) they wanted to impose their law as to how one should be baptized etc.. You really think the jailor of Philippi had fasted the day prior to the night in which he was converted and baptized???

If what we did didn't matter then why not take a Satanic 'bible' to church with you next time?

The Didache is just a bunch of baloney of an imposter.

Based so far on you saying so, and saying it again.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

So what kind of music would be "acceptable" then?
What do you mean by 'liturgical'?


I worship as the Holy Spirit moves.
God doesnt always 'act' like you
anticipate or plan does He?



Just WORSHIP Him.
HOWEVER you think
you should worship.

He seeks those who
worship Him how?
In Spirit and in truth.

Let Him seek you

It's good that you worship this way!

Now add The Divine Liturgy to this also.

Do both.

Forgive me...

 

[Uphill Battle]

It's good that you worship this way!

Now add The Divine Liturgy to this also.

Do both.

Forgive me...

why? I know that if I did the "divine liturgy" I'd be playacting.

that hardly seems like spirit and truth to me.

 

[Asinner]

I believe so. The early church was one of constant communications within itself. Bishops wrote to other bishops for instruction, and seeking instruction. And to give news. Hence they had lists of bishops in each others churches.

When a book comes along that no one has heard of before they comment on it and we know that it's novel to them.

I believe so as well.

Love,
Christina

 

[simonthezealot]

emergent theology? I don't know, isn't that a bit of a kneejerk reaction?

Nope...Miller treats scripture worse than JW's