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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by BCsenior, Mar 5, 2019.

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  1. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    Men and people have it different and must wait.

    Hebrews 9:27
    And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,

    Matthew 12:36
    I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak,

    1 Corinthians 4:5
    Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.
     
  2. Neogaia777

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    John 5:24- “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life." (from judgement) (having been judged already) (can't find that scripture right now...?)...

    God Bless!
     
  3. Saint Steven

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    This scripture says "whoever".

    John 5:24
    “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
     
  4. Strong in Him

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    That's the whole point of the cross, though.
    Jesus died for our sins.
    Jesus was made sin for us, 2 Corinthians 5:21
    Jesus bore the punishment that should have been ours, Isaiah 53:5
    Jesus has reconciled us to God.

    What would have been the point of Jesus doing all that if believers would one day stand before God and be judged for their sins?
     
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  5. SkyWriting

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    Right. There is no "having been judged already" because that's not
    possible before judgment day. ALL ones sins can be forgiven ahead
    of when they even happen. So those who's sins are forgiven, becasue
    of their faith, are never judged on judgment day. That's what for-given means.
     
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  6. Ttalkkugjil

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    The Pharisees agreed upon a question, whose answer would be sure to injure Jesus. Their representative asked, "Which is the greatest commandment, the most significant, the one upon which everything depends?" His purpose is evident.
     
  7. SkyWriting

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    That's pretty clear, eh?
     
  8. SkyWriting

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    37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
     
  9. Ttalkkugjil

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    Yes... Christ avoided the trap by summarizing the entire Law, placing that of the first table first and that of the second table beside it. The heart, soul and mind must be God's. Reason, passion and will must be given into God's service.
     
  10. SkyWriting

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    I don't see the "Reason, passion and will" requirements you mentioned.
     
  11. Ttalkkugjil

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    Did I say that they were mentioned in the text? I did not.
     
  12. SkyWriting

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    In your humble opinion then. Not from scripture.
     
  13. Ttalkkugjil

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    In humble understanding of Scripture.
     
  14. Neogaia777

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    What does it mean to "hear" Him...? and to believe (in) Him, and His Father who sent Him...?

    Does it, or this, include any doing or acting on our part(s)...?

    When Jesus says "hears Him" or where, or how he says it here, He usually doesn't mean "just hears, but does not ever act upon what he hears from Him, ect"... He usually does not mean that... He usually means some kind of act or action or doing along with this "hearing Him" as well...

    God Bless!
     
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  15. Neogaia777

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    Yes, but we are exempt from that judgment to come because the law has judged us already or a long time ago, or at some point and time in this life... cause that is it's job, to "judge" us (and beyond that has no further, or other use, or purpose, ect)... And/for that is the very beginning of the, or any real, true Christian walk...

    My guess is that, those who will be judged in the final judgment, will be all those who refused to let or allow the law to honestly and accurately and/or rightly (and truly justly) judge them, here, or while they were here in this life... And never really fully embraced the NC, ect, due to not having that very important fist step, ect...

    Anyone who does or doesn't do this/that, should be made aware of this, that, if they don't...? well...? Judgment could be waiting for you, or awaiting you...

    That's what I meant by being judged already, by the law... Every true BAC is supposed to have gone through this or that (the law judging them) already... And, having been judged already, have no fear of the judgment to come...

    God Bless!
     
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  16. Saint Steven

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    So you consider ANY doing or acting on our part to equate to salvation by works?
     
  17. Neogaia777

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    That's where I start to have some trouble...? Because, in general, I do tend to see it that way, right now anyway...

    We know we should, and/or are supposed to, possibly even are required to do some work or works, but not think that those works in any way save us, or adds to our salvation or anything like that, ect, ect,... or keeps us from hell (or out of fear of going, or not going to hell) ect... that we should do them, not out of obligation, but love, ect... otherwise not do them at all, ect, ect... That reasons, motives, and motivations and intent, is of primary importance in such things involving work or works, ect... That, if they are not out of love, they are worthless, ect... Not be doing them looking for a reward, when there may actually be a reward involved, ect...

    God Bless!
     
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  18. Neogaia777

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    When I set out to something good or a good deed or work, I have to genuinely ask myself, especially lately, whether I am really doing it for myself, or them, or myself more than them, basically...?

    And I genuinely can't answer that right now...? but I wonder that, if it is the case that it's "more about me than them", basically, if I should even be doing it or them at all, in that case... And this requires a very honest evaluation of myself that I just cannot answer yet or right now...?

    Kind of worried that the good feeling I get from it, is more important to me than the actual deed, or "real actual good" I've "actually" done (for someone or anyone else)...

    God Bless!
     
  19. BCsenior

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    This is SO ridiculous!
    Jesus did all that ... so some would have a chance!
    Whether you like it, believe it, or not ...
    all humans are destined for hell.
    But, because of Jesus ...
    some have a chance to escape hell.
    Isn't it wonderful ... God provided a way!

    The point of Jesus doing all that He did ... was so
    some humans would have a chance to escape hell.

    But, these ones have a part to play in their salvation!
    It is a co-operative effort between God and man!
    Ref: dozens of NT verses, which today's church
    has chosen to ignore and/or reject.
     
  20. Sojourner1

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    John 3:18
    "Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son."

    Romans 8:1
    "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus."

    John 5:24
    "Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life."

    Ephesians 2:8
    "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."


    Jesus Christ is the foundation of our salvation and we are His workmanship. Our faith is a gift from God, we do not earn our salvation. We can build upon our salvation (Christ the foundation) with our works, but our works do not to earn our salvation. We build "works" on our foundation because we are saved and Christ has created us to do good works. Those works will be tested by God and the works may receive rewards, or they may be burned up. If no works survive the fire (the testing), the person is still saved because their foundation (Jesus Christ) withstands the fire. Christ is the foundation of salvation, works are not the foundation and are not what save us.

    1 Corinthians 3:9-15
    "We are coworkers belonging to God. You are God’s field, God’s building. According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master-builder I laid a foundation, but someone else builds on it. And each one must be careful how he builds. For no one can lay any foundation other than what is being laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, each builder’s work will be plainly seen, for the Day will make it clear, because it will be revealed by fire. And the fire will test what kind of work each has done. If what someone has built survives, he will receive a reward. If someone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss. He himself will be saved, but only as through fire."
     
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