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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by BCsenior, Mar 5, 2019.

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  1. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Apprentice Supporter

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    If it has to be maintained, by us, then how are we not, at least in part, responsible for it...?
     
  2. BCsenior

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    Yes, of course!!!
    There are many NT verses which warn about
    the consequences of habitual (unrepentant) sin!!!
     
  3. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Apprentice Supporter

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    I think obedience is a fruit and not a root... Something that is "supposed to be enjoyed" from, and maybe after, your labors, in that fruits right season... But do not kid yourself about enjoying it or not, and don't deceive yourself either, cause if you are, or your not... well...?

    God Bless!
     
  4. BCsenior

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    Here's the deal.

    In every thread that I start with an OP ...
    I post several NT verses which PROVE the OP title.

    People respond against the OP title ...
    without dealing with the verses in the OP.

    Often, they post the NT verses that they prefer
    ... without dealing with the verses in the OP.

    It should be obvious that one needs to actually
    deal with the verses presented in the OP ...
    instead of ignoring and/or rejecting them!
     
  5. Aldebaran

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    Have you ever read 1 Cor 3:11-15 which concludes that Christ is our foundation that we build upon with our works afterward? When we accept Christ as our Savior, He becomes our foundation. The works that follow become a reward after our death, or are lost if they are not righteous. But our foundation of Christ is not lost, and neither are we even if all our works are burned up.
     
  6. BCsenior

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    So, you still insist that you can get into heaven
    without loving Jesus, and being His friend?
     
  7. BCsenior

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    Believe what you will.
     
  8. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Apprentice Supporter

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    And the fruit came from God and you working together, but you know you did not produce the fruit... I do not think Salvation is dependent upon "our own" obedience, and/or especially in what men would judge as to whether one another was being "obedient" to God or not... I think that's out of our scope or perceptual range with each other... And, is just plain, "wrong" anyway...

    God decides, or should decide, not us...

    Judgment is by no means "simple" you know... Maybe only simple to the simple mind or simple-minded, but they would be wrong now, wouldn't they...

    God Bless!
     
  9. Aldebaran

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    What do you mean? Are you saying you don't believe that part of the NT?
     
  10. Neogaia777

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    What...? I already have that...

    Or I like to think I do anyway...

    OK, then you tell me just what does a person who loves Jesus and is a friend of Jesus, "looks like" in a person, and then I'll answer for sure, K...?

    God Bless!
     
  11. BCsenior

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    Don't you remember all of those verses
    that you've read a hundred times?
    They're in John 14 and John 15.
     
  12. FreeGrace2

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    Sojourner1 said: ↑
    So if someone continues to sin they are going to hell?
    If that were true, then Christ died for NOTHING.

    Gal 2:21 - I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law (not sinning), Christ died for nothing!”

    Yes, they DO warn about consequences of unrepentant sin. But NONE of them speak of losing salvation. That has to be forced into (presumed) the verse/passage.
     
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  13. FreeGrace2

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    I have always dealt with all the verses you've quoted. And, still, NONE of them speak of losing salvation.

    That has to be forced into the verse. Presumed.

    otoh, I have proven the opposite; eternal security, as taught by Jesus Christ.

    John 10:28 tells us that recipients of eternal life, which is the MOMENT of saving faith, per John 3:16, 5:24, 6:47, shall never perish.

    It could not be more clear than that.

    So, the moment of saving faith, the believer receives eternal life, and from that MOMENT, shall never perish.
     
  14. Aldebaran

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    This goes well with John 3:14-15 ""As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life."
     
  15. Neogaia777

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    What does this "moment" consist of...? And what about afterward...?

    God Bless!
     
  16. Neogaia777

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    Some sins He hates more than others...

    God Bless!
     
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  17. Neogaia777

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    And that is where many of us get it wrong, and don't have our priorities (nor our poles, or perspectives) straight, if you ask me...

    God Bless!
     
  18. Saint Steven

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    You got that part right.
     
  19. ace of hearts

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    What are these habitual unrepentant sins or sin you post about?
     
  20. BCsenior

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    Any sins which you do habitually (w/o repentance),
    which you have not gained victory over.
    Those who do gain victory are called "overcomers".
    (For Jesus' definition of who an overcomer is,
    see Revelation 3:21.)

    “Do you not know that the unrighteous
    will not inherit the kingdom of God?
    Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators,
    nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,
    nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous,
    nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners
    will inherit the kingdom of God.”
    (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

    Parallel verses are:
    Galatians 5:19-24
    Ephesians 5:3-6
    Colossians 3:5-9
    Revelation 21:8
     
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