Yom Kippur/The Rapture connection?!

[DennisTate]

Yom kippor is shown in over 3 places in Revelation, it takes place in the 7th seal and first trumpet, between the 7th trumpet and the first bowl, and at the 7th bowl.

What it looks like to me is a mass death that occurs, but one could be assured that the seals, the trumpets, and the bowls is no doubt showing the fall festivals being fulfilled.

Hannibal Flavius... on a scale of one to ten..... ten being Extremely Naive... how naïve do you think that I probably am in my feeling that "a mass death" might perhaps be fulfilled metaphorically through an off the scale awakening where people turn toward G-d in astonishing numbers?????!!!!

An AWAKENING which is far beyond mere revival?????!!!

 

[DennisTate]

WOW!!!!!!

We have a tradition linking pharaoh from the time of Moses to the king of Ninveh...
(The same person?)
It definitely works with the story..
And we have another tradition of the first Yom-kippur was the day Moses brought the second tablets from mt Sinai...

We read the book of Jonah on YK

(G. F. Fishcer)

 

[DennisTate]

Judges 7:7 "And the LORD said unto Gideon, By the three hundred men that lapped will I save you, and deliver the Midianites into thine hand: and let all the other people go every man unto his place." ... I now am open to the possibility of a rapture style event to reduce the number of soldiers in the actual battle down to a much smaller number...... who are better prepared..... and who have a lower fear quotient!!!!!!??????

 

[DennisTate]

What does British politics have to do with the so called rapture? I haven't read the entire thread, but that seems like a pretty big leap.

If you do a search for the writings of Orthodox Jewish scholar Yair Davidiy you will find some evidence that there could be some connection.

 

[DennisTate]

This is certainly interesting!

WHY THE RAPTURE WILL BE ON YOM KIPPUR

... I believe this is the only feast day of the Lord, which calls for a day of fasting. Additional prohibitions for the day of Yom Kippur are engaging in marital relations, weddings,

wearing leather shoes, or washing oneself, in addition to not drinking wine or eating food. Was our Lord referring to this day when He said that in the days of Noah, they were “eating and drinking” and “marrying and giving in marriage” until THE DAY that Noah entered into the ark. Likewise, prior to this year’s Yom Kippur, Jews will be “eating and drinking, and marrying and giving in marriage”, until THE DAY of Yom Kippur. Without getting flakey here... I read somewhere on the world-wide net, that the Ark of the Covenant, had the same ratio of measurements as the dimensions of the ark of Noah, and we know that God Himself closed the door to the ark once Noah was inside, so perhaps there is a picture here of that great ark of heaven being open for us, until the completion of Yom Kippur, “God Himself will close the door”. After the Yom Kippur service, the doors of the ark of the covenant are closed, signifying the closing of the door of heaven; they blow the shofar once, and this is called “The Great Trump”. then that’s all she wrote for those who did not repent.

The last hour of the Yom Kippur service offers one final opportunity for repentance. Does this remind you of our Lord’s words to the Laodecian church “behold I stand at the door and knock”?

 

[DennisTate]

It cannot be reconciled. Therefore, either Paul was a liar or, my belief, that, because his writings were hard to understand anyway it was easy to tweak them to make them say what someone (Rome) wanted them to say to make up their own religion. And I believe that's exactly what they did. That's why we must take everything in the Greek writings and hold them up to Torah. Just that simple.

Yes.... so true!!!!!!

In a way...… this applies to some of those things that are reported by people who have a brush with death????!!!!

 

[DennisTate]

The final Elijah will restore all things right?

Does the restoration of all things...… include a body... that might perhaps be even better than the body shown to Dr. Richard Eby.... that apparently he would have during the time that he would be waiting until the complete fulfillment of the rapture/resurrection event??????!!!!!!

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Dr. Richard Eby:

near-death.com/forum/nde/000/91.html

Reflexly I raised my arms in thanks and adoration for my Lord's love in showing me heaven's wonders which were mysteries to me. As I bowed my head, I noted a glowing pure-white gown which somehow I had not seen when I looked through it in search of organs! I was awed by its total weightlessness and silky softness. My raised arms had parted its overlapping folds for the moment, revealing me as a neuter (i.e. no sex organs)! This came as a shock, although I had not felt surprise at the absence of defects or scars. This alteration was so unexpected!
"Lord Jesus, why am I now a neuter? I was a man."
Jesus replied:
"Yes, Dick, you were always a man, a child of God who returned our love by telling others of the good news about me. Remember? You read in my book the very first order I gave to Adam and Eve? 'Be fruitful and multiply!' I told them to replenish the Earth, not heaven. Again I told the Sadducees (who did not believe in a resurrection) that they 'knew not the scriptures' when they speculated about wives in heaven. I explained that after the resurrection all would be like angels who do not marry nor raise families. Everything in heaven is created or re-created into perfection! It is all in my book. None other is truth!

"In fact, everything that my children need to know about how God thinks and works and judges and rewards, either before or after the cross, is already in my book. That is why I commanded mankind to 'engrave my words upon their hearts,' and to pass them along from generation to generation. I wanted everyone to hear and know just who I AM, the Messiah, their one hope of salvation, their most high God."
I checked my body again: truly celestial! Its senses were too keen to describe.

Weightless, painless, instantly responsive. Comfortable and totally peaceful. Unaware of any disharmony elsewhere. Thinking with the mind of Christ. Sensing that I was IN him somehow.

He had said so clearly:
"I and the Father are one."
He had prayed so fervently:
"... that they all may be one, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee; that they may be also one in us!," the Father declared it done!"

 

[Rachel Rachel]

I've been teaching this to congregations I have served for over 20 years. There never was a man called Barabbas. The people had to choose between the one who was called Yeshua bar Abba and Yeshua HaNatsrati V'M'lech HaYehudim. The acronym for which was YHVH and the Pharisees got angry and wanted it altered, but Pilate said what he had written stays put. Both men, from a distance, would have looked very similar and we know that Yeshua was really not known by sight or there would be no need for Y'hudah ish K'riot to point him out. The crowds played into hasatan's hands and chose the one who was called Yeshua bar Abba - some probably thinking that was Yeshua our saviour as that is a title that was applied to him. The one who claimed Kingship was, they must have thought, the criminal.

I know this is a very old post but would someone please break it down for me. I'm sorry but I'm really not understanding the implication here...are you saying that it really wasn't Yeshua haMashiach who was crucified?

 

[Rachel Rachel]

Originally Posted by Avodat

I've been teaching this to congregations I have served for over 20 years. There never was a man called Barabbas. The people had to choose between the one who was called Yeshua bar Abba and Yeshua HaNatsrati V'M'lech HaYehudim. The acronym for which was YHVH and the Pharisees got angry and wanted it altered, but Pilate said what he had written stays put. Both men, from a distance, would have looked very similar and we know that Yeshua was really not known by sight or there would be no need for Y'hudah ish K'riot to point him out. The crowds played into hasatan's hands and chose the one who was called Yeshua bar Abba - some probably thinking that was Yeshua our saviour as that is a title that was applied to him. The one who claimed Kingship was, they must have thought, the criminal.

I know this is a very old post but would someone please break it down for me. I'm sorry but I'm really not understanding the implication here...are you saying that it really wasn't Yeshua haMashiach who was crucified?

Bump for Avodat or anyone else who can clarify.

 

[mercy1061]

Yes.... so true!!!!!!

In a way...… this applies to some of those things that are reported by people who have a brush with death????!!!!

It were the jews that had a problem with Pharisee Shaul not the romans, Shaul stayed in a roman jail for protection from the jews.

 

[Laureate]

Bump for Avodat or anyone else who can clarify.[/QUOTE:

In Matt. 27 Pilate asked the people, Whom shall I release unto you? (Y'shua) Bar Abbas (the father's son), or Y'shua who is called H'Meshiach (the Messiah), many believe that the people were misled in their choosing the release of Bar Abbas, thinking they were asking for the release of the Messiah, because Bar Abbas means 'the Son of the Father, or the Father's Son', they thought Bar Abbas was Y'shua.

Though the scriptures as presented do not mention Bar Abbas as being called Y'shua, it appears to be feasible, yet the only scriptural importance that I can get from this is, One can choose whatsoever they like, but the over riding choice comes from on high, otherwise many Jews find comfort in believing they were duped in their decision.

 

[Rachel Rachel]

Bump for Avodat or anyone else who can clarify.[/QUOTE:

In Matt. 27 Pilate asked the people, Whom shall I release unto you? (Y'shua) Bar Abbas (the father's son), or Y'shua who is called H'Meshiach (the Messiah), many believe that the people were misled in their choosing the release of Bar Abbas, thinking they were asking for the release of the Messiah, because Bar Abbas means 'the Son of the Father, or the Father's Son', they thought Bar Abbas was Y'shua.

Though the scriptures as presented do not mention Bar Abbas as being called Y'shua, it appears to be feasible, yet the only scriptural importance that I can get from this is, One can choose whatsoever they like, but the over riding choice comes from on high, otherwise many Jews find comfort in believing they were duped in their decision.

Ooookay, I understand now. Thank you for explaining.

 

[DennisTate]

Bump for Avodat or anyone else who can clarify.[/QUOTE:

In Matt. 27 Pilate asked the people, Whom shall I release unto you? (Y'shua) Bar Abbas (the father's son), or Y'shua who is called H'Meshiach (the Messiah), many believe that the people were misled in their choosing the release of Bar Abbas, thinking they were asking for the release of the Messiah, because Bar Abbas means 'the Son of the Father, or the Father's Son', they thought Bar Abbas was Y'shua.

Though the scriptures as presented do not mention Bar Abbas as being called Y'shua, it appears to be feasible, yet the only scriptural importance that I can get from this is, One can choose whatsoever they like, but the over riding choice comes from on high, otherwise many Jews find comfort in believing they were duped in their decision.

Wow!!!!!

I had never read this before!!!! Thank you immensely Laureate!

I just ran into a Facebook page that may be of interest to you:

https://www.facebook.com/facingeachother?ref=stream
Facing Each Other - PEACE between Judaism & Christianity

 

[DennisTate]

It were the jews that had a problem with Pharisee Shaul not the romans, Shaul stayed in a roman jail for protection from the jews.

A truly intriguing comment!

What do you think of my theory that the Apostle Paul/Rav Shaul...... .had himself considered volunteering to become a metaphorical Yom Kippur goat?


Romans 9:3

For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

BLB - Rom 9: Paul's Epistle - Romans 9 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)


At this time in history.... the church... the bride of Messiah elaborates on hidden meaning in Passover/Unleavened Bread and Pentecost..... but of course...... especially in his later years of life...... Paul would wonder about how the scourging/crucifixion/death/burial and resurrection of Rabbi Jesus/Yeshua was also a Yom Kippur event?

How could Yeshua be viewed as a "goat?"

 

[DennisTate]

But you'll never know, this side of eternity, what he did with his last breath. I've had people who were very critical that I do funeral services for people who are NOT believers - my answer is that we do not know they are non-believers. Their last breath may have been used to give themselves to Yeshua.

And…. in line with what Dr. Richard Eby was shown about the Rapture when it does occur……….. Moshiach/Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is working out an astonishing plan at this time:

Tribulation

Prelude
There are several things you must know before we plunge into the Tribulation. First, most of the things in the Tribulation are not going to just suddenly occur. God has spent thousands of years preparing the scientific, political, social, economic, and other conditions necessary for these things to occur. He is still doing so now and will continue to move our world toward the events of the Tribulation. The Tribulation will be the culmination of things which have been developing for thousands of years.

The Antichrist, false prophet, two witnesses, and, probably, 144,000 virgin, Jewish males along with all the other principle actors of the Tribulation are already on the Earth, are being prepared for their rolls in the Tribulation, and are being moved towards their starting positions on the stage of life. Soon, a curtain call from Jesus,"Come up here!" will be given, a curtain of born again christians will rise, and the most terrible play in the history of the world will begin.

Second, these prophesies are predictions given to us by God about the things He will cause to occur. They will happen as He said and cannot be stopped because God is all powerful, all knowing, and cannot be wrong or stopped. There are those, even "christians", who believe we can stop God's snow ball from rolling to where He said it will roll and doing the damage He said it would do. Their efforts will fail.

Another thing you must understand about the judgments of the Tribulation is that they are not simplistic, singular events which will occur in a linear manner as the false prophets tell you. The judgments mentioned are the beginning of events and the effects of those events which will continue to cumulate throughout the Tribulation and last until the end. Each judgment adds to prior judgments or, in some cases, is the culmination of a prior judgment. Like snow falling, each new flake makes it deeper. In other words, the Tribulation will be far worse than anything described by any false prophet who prophesies for money.

The judgments are listed as seven seals, seven trumpets, and seven bowls with several parenthetics or lists of other events which will occur during the Tribulation. Contrary to what some "prophets" tell you, all of the judgments are in chronological order. The parenthetics are events which occur in parallel or at the same time with the judgments. There are two trains of thought running parallel to each other.

 

[Dave-W]

Though the scriptures as presented do not mention Bar Abbas as being called Y'shua, it appears to be feasible,

It seems some early manuscripts of Matthew give the name Iesus bar-Abbas. It is also noted that early church father Origen was so bothered by that fact that he had the scribes remove "Iesus" (Jesus) from the manuscripts.

Evans, Craig A. (2012). Matthew (New Cambridge Bible Commentary). Cambridge University Press. p. 453. ISBN 978-0521011068.

Dimont, Max I. (1992). Appointment in Jerusalem. e-reads.com. ISBN 978-1585865468.

 

[DennisTate]

It seems some early manuscripts of Matthew give the name Iesus bar-Abbas. It is also noted that early church father Origen was so bothered by that fact that he had the scribes remove "Iesus" (Jesus) from the manuscripts.

Evans, Craig A. (2012). Matthew (New Cambridge Bible Commentary). Cambridge University Press. p. 453. ISBN 978-0521011068.

Dimont, Max I. (1992). Appointment in Jerusalem. e-reads.com. ISBN 978-1585865468.

Fascinating detail!

Thank you for this!

 

[Laureate]

It seems some early manuscripts of Matthew give the name Iesus bar-Abbas. It is also noted that early church father Origen was so bothered by that fact that he had the scribes remove "Iesus" (Jesus) from the manuscripts.

Evans, Craig A. (2012). Matthew (New Cambridge Bible Commentary). Cambridge University Press. p. 453. ISBN 978-0521011068.

Dimont, Max I. (1992). Appointment in Jerusalem. e-reads.com. ISBN 978-1585865468.

Yes, I've come across this information since the post I made:

 

[Lulav]

A truly intriguing comment!

What do you think of my theory that the Apostle Paul/Rav Shaul...... .had himself considered volunteering to become a metaphorical Yom Kippur goat?


Romans 9:3

BLB - Rom 9: Paul's Epistle - Romans 9 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)


At this time in history.... the church... the bride of Messiah elaborates on hidden meaning in Passover/Unleavened Bread and Pentecost..... but of course...... especially in his later years of life...... Paul would wonder about how the scourging/crucifixion/death/burial and resurrection of Rabbi Jesus/Yeshua was also a Yom Kippur event?

How could Yeshua be viewed as a "goat?"

The whole scenario of the two prisoners and the names speak loudly of Yom Kipperim symbolism.

It is properly called the Day of Atonements because there were more than one thing being atoned for.

From the Israelite community he is to take two male goats for a sin offering and a ram for a burnt offering.

The bull was for the high Priest to first make atonement for himself and his family.

After this the two goats are presented together to the L-RD -
a choice needs to be made as to which will serve the two purposes.

One is chosen for the L-RD as a sin offering the other the Hp places his hands upon its head and transfers the sins of the people onto it and it is sent away (freed) as an atonement.
The blood of this goat is the one sprinkled on the mercy seat also called the seat of atonement.

This is done for the Holy place because of the uncleanness and rebellion of the people.

 

[mercy1061]

A truly intriguing comment!

What do you think of my theory that the Apostle Paul/Rav Shaul...... .had himself considered volunteering to become a metaphorical Yom Kippur goat?


Romans 9:3

BLB - Rom 9: Paul's Epistle - Romans 9 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)


At this time in history.... the church... the bride of Messiah elaborates on hidden meaning in Passover/Unleavened Bread and Pentecost..... but of course...... especially in his later years of life...... Paul would wonder about how the scourging/crucifixion/death/burial and resurrection of Rabbi Jesus/Yeshua was also a Yom Kippur event?

How could Yeshua be viewed as a "goat?"

Pharisee Saul practiced and understood Torah better than many of his companions, I doubt he saw himself as a goat prepared for sacrifice. Pharisee Saul avoided all unnecessary persecution or illegal sacrifice. Romans 8:36-37