YES or NO: Do The 10 Commandments Still Apply To Us Today? (2)

[PROPHECYKID]

Dang, I wanted to answer that.

Go ahead. Haha!

 

[PROPHECYKID]

No, the Law that is Good and Holy, enabled men to accuse others, by positions of authority and power.

So then because the devil knows the Law he can accuse us before the father?

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Nope. It just so happened that it ended that way upon HIS DEATH.
What killed Him? What condemned Him? Why were they so adamant that they released a murderer, instead of God's Son?

Tell me, tell me, please.

For the umteenth time, IT IS FINISHED! Your way of worship is over, concerning temple worship. It has been left to you and the descendents prior desolate, never to be rebuilt.

I have never understood why if they believe so hard that they need a temple, why they don't just build a tabernacle like in Moses time.

What is the difference between a MJ and a Christian, because I think this goes to some sort of major difference here. Still looking for something, or someone? Something still not completed enough for you? You, out of billions, and centuries upon centuries, have this knowledge that the rest of us don't have? Do we need a temple? Think God will show up there? Maybe grab some high priests, and start the rituals back up? Pray tell me Marc, what is it that you seek?

I like the way you put those questions.

 

[Tkjjc]

So then because the devil knows the Law he can accuse us before the father?

Check out my prior response

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=41003569&postcount=41

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

What is the difference between a MJ and a Christian, because I think this goes to some sort of major difference here. Still looking for something, or someone? Something still not completed enough for you? You, out of billions, and centuries upon centuries, have this knowledge that the rest of us don't have? Do we need a temple? Think God will show up there? Maybe grab some high priests, and start the rituals back up? Pray tell me Marc, what is it that you seek?

The question is not whether we need a Temple or not. The fact is that in the Millenial Kingdom there will be the Temple present. The question is if you are present in the Millenial Kingdom will you be keeping the laws of the Kingdom?

Why do you call them rituals? That's really condoning what God commanded? The sarcasm of how you condone what God commanded is really beyond me. "Those silly rituals" It's a shame you have no understanding.

[FONT=&quot]The prophet Isaiah describes a great pilgrimage going to [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Jerusalem[/FONT][FONT=&quot]. The pilgrims were not just Israelites. He saw people of ALL nations.

Isaiah said: "Nations will come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your dawn. Lift up your eyes and look about you: All assemble and come to you; your sons come from afar, and your daughters are carried on the arm"

ALL nations will pilgram to [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Jerusalem[/FONT][FONT=&quot] to worship the King, learn His Torah, and keep His Commandments.

In that day the whole world will be keeping Torah. All nations will make a pilgrimmage to [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Jerusalem[/FONT][FONT=&quot] because [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Jerusalem[/FONT][FONT=&quot] will be the capitol city of [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ALL[/FONT][FONT=&quot] nations. The [/FONT][FONT=&quot]kingdom[/FONT][FONT=&quot] of [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Israel[/FONT][FONT=&quot] will be universal. All men will serve the King of Israel according to the Torah of Israel.

Knowing that we will be keeping the biblical calendar in Messiah's Kingdom it is clear that keeping the calendar is part of Kingdom living. In that day ALL mankind will keep the Sabbath. When we sit down to eat with the Master, the menu options will certaintly not include shrimp or ham.

Wouldn't we do well to let the rule of the Kingdom dictate how we, servants of the King, live now?

In that day all will keep Torah. The Torah shall go forth from [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Zion[/FONT][FONT=&quot], a light to ALL nations and a Law of ALL men.

If the Torah is the Law of the Kingdom, shouldn't all the subjects of the Kingdom obey that Law?

As the prophet Isaiah has said, shouldn't we turn our hearts toward that NOW?

Why wait until that day? If it's going to be as Isaiah said in that day why should we wait?

After all Yeshua's message was: Repent the Kingdom of Heaven is NOW

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Is 2:2-4
2 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days
Thatthe mountain of the LORD’s house
Shall be established on the top of the mountains,
And shall be exalted above the hills;
And all nations shall flow to it.
3 Many people shall come and say,

“ Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
He will teach us His ways,
And we shall walk in His paths.”
For out of [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Zion[/FONT][FONT=&quot] shall go forth the law,
And the word of the LORD from [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Jerusalem[/FONT][FONT=&quot].
4 He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.

Is 66:23
And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the LORD


Marc[/FONT]

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Check out my prior response

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=41003569&postcount=41

Im sorry. I actually saw that and forgot that you posted it. Check this out though.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Tell me if you agree with my reasoning. You have stolen your sisters money. You know that the commandments say that you should not steal. You ask God for forgiveness and God covers you with his grace. You are now free from sin again. But if there is no law, whether written or in the heart then how would you know that stealing was wrong. You therefore are not a thief because God will wink at your ignorance. If God winks at your ignorance it therefore means that you are innocent. If you are innocent why would you need grace.
No Law - No sin - No need for grace. That is why Paul said that because we are under grace it does not mean that we brake the law.

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

Im sorry. I actually saw that and forgot that you posted it. Check this out though.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Tell me if you agree with my reasoning. You have stolen your sisters money. You know that the commandments say that you should not steal. You ask God for forgiveness and God covers you with his grace. You are now free from sin again. But if there is no law, whether written or in the heart then how would you know that stealing was wrong. You therefore are not a thief because God will wink at your ignorance. If God winks at your ignorance it therefore means that you are innocent. If you are innocent why would you need grace.
No Law - No sin - No need for grace. That is why Paul said that because we are under grace it does not mean that we brake the law.

Good point with out the Torah there can be no grace.

Marc

 

[Tkjjc]

Im sorry. I actually saw that and forgot that you posted it. Check this out though.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Tell me if you agree with my reasoning. You have stolen your sisters money. You know that the commandments say that you should not steal. You ask God for forgiveness and God covers you with his grace. You are now free from sin again. But if there is no law, whether written or in the heart then how would you know that stealing was wrong. You therefore are not a thief because God will wink at your ignorance. If God winks at your ignorance it therefore means that you are innocent. If you are innocent why would you need grace.
No Law - No sin - No need for grace. That is why Paul said that because we are under grace it does not mean that we brake the law.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Well, since this is a revelation of Jesus Christ, and I haven't been given it completely yet, I will refrain from answering this. I have an idea what this means, but I need the Spirit to confirm this.

Tell me if you agree with my reasoning. You have stolen your sisters money. You know that the commandments say that you should not steal. You ask God for forgiveness and God covers you with his grace. You are now free from sin again. But if there is no law, whether written or in the heart then how would you know that stealing was wrong. You therefore are not a thief because God will wink at your ignorance. If God winks at your ignorance it therefore means that you are innocent. If you are innocent why would you need grace.
No Law - No sin - No need for grace. That is why Paul said that because we are under grace it does not mean that we brake the law.

You will sin no matter what, in the flesh, until the flesh is overcome. For it is carnal in nature, and it's temptations and desires overcome your spiritual side. Until this is overcome, by your spirit waging war with your soul and body, sin cannot be avoided. But your spirit cannot sin. It has been reborn and is fused with the body of Christ, and in Him, there will NEVER be any sin. It doesn't need forgiveness, as it cannot sin. It was redeemed the moment you asked for it. But to overcome the flesh, that will get you a bigger reward in heaven. More than you can possibly dream about.

We ask for forgiveness for our fleshly sins we commit, because our guilt wages a battle with our spirit. We know it was wrong, but still we look, touch, desire, covet, whatever convicts your soul. We create false gods, and by our actions and deeds, worship them in a sense. Money, power, prestige, glory from others, knowledge, etc, etc. By doing these things we can see what is apparent by the being called antichrist. ALL things that go against what Jesus wants for us, hense, anti-Christ. This side must be revealed, and the Spirit of God to consume him completely. I want that in my life. I want to be a overcoming, bond-servant of Jesus and Father. My goal, so the war rages, between carnality, and my spirit.

 

[Tkjjc]

Is 2:2-4
2 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days
That the mountain of the LORD’s house
Shall be established on the top of the mountains,
And shall be exalted above the hills;
And all nations shall flow to it.
3 Many people shall come and say,

“ Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
He will teach us His ways,
And we shall walk in His paths.”
For out of Zion shall go forth the law,
And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4 He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.


Would you or would you not say that Jesus IS the Law? This describes Jesus to me, in all fullness and completeness. There is no temple for me in heaven. My High Priest has already sprinkled His Blood on my behalf, and now He reigns as my King. So what temple are we talking about here? Rev 21:22 declares my temple no longer exists.

Is 2:2-4 describes almost to the tittle the completion of Rev 21:10-27 and this isn't no old earthly Jerusalem, or a old earthly anything. It is paradise restored. Should be past tense. Live it now!

The question is not whether we need a Temple or not. The fact is that in the Millenial Kingdom there will be the Temple present.

Show me.

The question is if you are present in the Millenial Kingdom will you be keeping the laws of the Kingdom?

What Law? There will be no death. There will be no sin.

Why do you call them rituals? That's really condoning what God commanded? The sarcasm of how you condone what God commanded is really beyond me. "Those silly rituals" It's a shame you have no understanding.

Understanding of what? And show me where I said "silly" and I will edit it. That is wrong if I have said that, as God was preparing the way and path for Jesus to fulfill His Law, through the bloodlines that failed to keep it, and through His chosen people according to the Promise of Abraham. Jesus restored my spirit back to Father, so everything that happened for the last 6000+ years on my personal behalf, HAD TO happen the way it did. "Silly" was a bad word pertaining to the wisdom of God, and IF I said it, I am truly sorry.

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

Is 2:2-4
2 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days
That the mountain of the LORD’s house
Shall be established on the top of the mountains,
And shall be exalted above the hills;
And all nations shall flow to it.
3 Many people shall come and say,

“ Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
He will teach us His ways,
And we shall walk in His paths.”
For out of Zion shall go forth the law,
And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4 He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.


Would you or would you not say that Jesus IS the Law? This describes Jesus to me, in all fullness and completeness. There is no temple for me in heaven. My High Priest has already sprinkled His Blood on my behalf, and now He reigns as my King. So what temple are we talking about here? Rev 21:22 declares my temple no longer exists.

Is 2:2-4 describes almost to the tittle the completion of Rev 21:10-27 and this isn't no old earthly Jerusalem, or a old earthly anything. It is paradise restored.



Show me.



What Law? There will be no death. There will be no sin. Not for me anyway.



Understanding of what? And show me where I said "silly" and I will edit it. That is wrong if I have said that, as God was preparing the way and path for Jesus to fulfill His Law, through the bloodlines that failed to keep it, and through His chosen people according to the Promise of Abraham. Jesus restored my spirit back to Father, so everything that happened for the last 6000+ years on my personal behalf, HAD TO happen the way it did. "Silly" was a bad word pertaining to the wisdom of God, and IF I said it, I am truly sorry.

So there won't be a Millenial Kingdom? Don't get Millenial Kingdom confused with life eternal (the New Covenant in it's completeness).

I asked if you have the opportunity to be living/present in the Millenial Kingdom will you or will you not obey the law of the Kingdom?

In life eternal we will obey Him all the time as it will be our nature to.

Marc

 

[Tkjjc]

So there won't be a Millenial Kingdom? Don't get Millenial Kingdom confused with life eternal (the New Covenant in it's completeness).

I asked if you have the opportunity to be living/present in the Millenial Kingdom will you or will you not obey the law of the Kingdom?

In life eternal we will obey Him all the time as it will be our nature to.

Marc

Well this is getting off topic,

But doesn't the millennial kingdom only have those believers in it that were martyred or are saints? Rev 20:4-6 So what would be the need for a temple? Yes there are thrones but there isn't any disbelievers there either. This was the first resurrection. It could have been Matt 27:52, since only those that were brought up were of the Jewish faith, or before. I don't know this either, as I am not that far into Rev. This needs to be revealed to me, by Jesus Himself, since it is His Revelation.

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

Well this is getting off topic,

But doesn't the millennial kingdom only have those believers in it that were martyred or are saints? Rev 20:4-6 So what would be the need for a temple? Yes there are thrones but there isn't any disbelievers there either. This was the first resurrection. It could have been Matt 27:52, since only those that were brought up were of the Jewish faith, or before. I don't know this either, as I am not that far into Rev. This needs to be revealed to me, by Jesus Himself, since it is His Revelation.

Tkjcc the Millenial Kingdom is the literal reign on Earth of Messiah after His second coming.

Marc

 

[IamAdopted]

Tkjcc the Millenial Kingdom is the literal reign on Earth of Messiah after His second coming.

Marc

And your point here?

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

And your point here?

My point is if you have the opportunity to be present will you keep the laws of the Kingdom?

Now what's most likely to happen here is that there will be those that want to spiritualize this and therefore rip it apart by spiritualizing it.

[FONT=&quot]Is 2:2-4
2 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days
Thatthe mountain of the LORD’s house
Shall be established on the top of the mountains,
And shall be exalted above the hills;
And all nations shall flow to it.
3 Many people shall come and say,

“ Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
He will teach us His ways,
And we shall walk in His paths.”
For out of [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Zion[/FONT][FONT=&quot] shall go forth the law,
And the word of the LORD from [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Jerusalem[/FONT][FONT=&quot].
4 He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.

Marc
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[Tkjjc]

Tkjcc the Millenial Kingdom is the literal reign on Earth of Messiah after His second coming.

Marc

Huh? Where is that at?

 

[IamAdopted]

My point is if you have the opportunity to be present will you keep the laws of the Kingdom?

Now what's most likely to happen here is that there will be those that want to spiritualize this and therefore rip it apart by spiritualizing it.

[FONT=&quot]Is 2:2-4
2 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days
Thatthe mountain of the LORD’s house
Shall be established on the top of the mountains,
And shall be exalted above the hills;
And all nations shall flow to it.
3 Many people shall come and say,

“ Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
He will teach us His ways,
And we shall walk in His paths.”
For out of [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Zion[/FONT][FONT=&quot] shall go forth the law,
And the word of the LORD from [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Jerusalem[/FONT][FONT=&quot].
4 He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.

Marc
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And what are the Laws of the Kingdom of God Marc? Are you suggesting it is the 10 commandments?

 

[IamAdopted]

Do you not understand that all of Gods word is His law.. His declarations? Even Fear not.. That is a law... Do not be anxious.. that is a law.. For it is Gods word.. The law as you speak of it just covers the Mosiac Law..

 

[Tkjjc]

My point is if you have the opportunity to be present will you keep the laws of the Kingdom?

Now what's most likely to happen here is that there will be those that want to spiritualize this and therefore rip it apart by spiritualizing it.

That has to be one of the most rediculous statements I have heard. Of course this is spiritual, as the Spirit is the One who Directed him to write it.

2Pe 1:20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

So yes, unless the Spirit interprets it for you, I wouldn't even comment on it. The Revelation of Jesus Christ is a scary book for me, because to interpret that book wrong, wouldn't be a good thing to do.

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

That has to be one of the most rediculous statements I have heard. Of course this is spiritual, as the Spirit is the One who Directed him to write it.

2Pe 1:20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

So yes, unless the Spirit interprets it for you, I wouldn't even comment on it. The Revelation of Jesus Christ is a scary book for me, because to interpret that book wrong, wouldn't be a good thing to do.

Tkjcc it went over your head. What I meant was there will be those that want to spiritualize scripture. Yes scripture can be spiritualized but literal ALWAYS takes precedence over figurative.

Are you going to use the means of spiritualizing scripture to mean somethings that it's not?

Marc

 

[PROPHECYKID]

I don't believe in the doctrine of the millennial kingdom. I don't want us to change the topic. if you want to debate on that start a thread on it.