YES or NO: Do The 10 Commandments Still Apply To Us Today? (2)

[IamAdopted]

IAA this is where you go wrong. For some reason you don't want to address the New Covenant in it's completeness in Jeremiah 31.

Also this is where you go wrong to..... works follows true faith just like Abraham.

Marc

The new covenant has been made.. His blood.. Now it will come to fruitation in the 1000 year reign.. The covenant though has been given.. Christ Blood and His gift of eternal life through Him by grace through Faith..

 

[Tkjjc]

Yes and He's King.

Is Yeshua the giver of the Torah or not? If you believe He is(I do) then you have to reconcile in your own mind how He would give the Torah to later release you of the Torah. You have to reconcile that this is the 'kind' of God you believe and worship. "I gave the Torah, now because of My sacrifice you are now released from the Torah". "Or up until THIS POINT the Torah applied, but now AFTER THIS POINT you are now released.

This is not the 'nature' of God according to His Word.

You might say "Well He has the right to change because after all He's the Creator and Master of all". To me that's just an excuse.

Another question. Paul said: the purpose of the Torah is to lead us to Christ, correct?Paul said the purpose of the law(Torah) is to drive us to repentance and mercy at His feet. So the question is once the Torah does that does the Torah cease to be 'invalid'?

Marc

Yes and He's King.

He is not a Levite Marc,

Is Yeshua the giver of the Torah or not? If you believe He is(I do) then you have to reconcile in your own mind how He would give the Torah to later release you of the Torah.

There is nothing to reconcile. The Law and the Prophets LED to Christ, pointed to Him, served as a shadow or copy of better things to come, and when it, the Torah, Crucified Him, that ended that Covenant.

You have to reconcile that this is the 'kind' of God you believe and worship.

This is the Father in which I serve. He gave His only begotten Son, as a sacrifice, for my Sin, for ALL time. Not year after year, day after day, minute by minute, but ALL time. This is how much He LOVES us.

"I gave the Torah, now because of My sacrifice you are now released from the Torah". "Or up until THIS POINT the Torah applied, but now AFTER THIS POINT you are now released.

And now you know why the early Christians were not liked nor welcomed, by their fellow peers, and why Stephen was stoned to death. To be a Christian a Jew must let our High Priest, mediate a NEW COVENANT, and with a NEW COVENANT, comes NEW LAWS. Laws which only I know for me, and you know for you. Personal, as my God and Father is personal for me. Based upon the UNIVERSAL LAW OF LOVE, these LAWS are forever encompassing and written on OUR, MY, HEARTS.

This is not the 'nature' of God according to His Word.

And how does your carnal mind try to even fathom the nature of God? Why He does what He does, and how He does it? From the Torah? From the Bible? From the Rabbi? Please,,for unless He guides you with HIS Spirit, and reveals these mysteries, TO YOU, you are still carnally minded who needs to be reconciled back to Paradise and with Father, and His Son who DIED FOR YOU.

Another question. Paul said: the purpose of the Torah is to lead us to Christ, correct?Paul said the purpose of the law(Torah) is to drive us to repentance and mercy at His feet. So the question is once the Torah does that does the Torah cease to be 'invalid'?

Paul said these things as God's Law lets a person know that he has fallen from grace and what this Grace is, to men whose God's Laws were not yet written on their hearts.

How would you know if you wronged someone, unless you knew what the wrong was. I say this as Paul was still living in the generation of Jesus. Same GENERATION. All that you see the Apostles talking about, these were talking to people who were ALIVE at the time of Jesus the Christ. How would you read Hebrews to the Hebrews, without knowing the ins and outs of temple worship, and daily life as a Jew? About the Priesthood as well? Also this lets us in the latter generations know that ALL these things did indeed point to Jesus, and that the plan of God was ordained, even in the Garden.


"FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND I WILL WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS. AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE."

And before you go into how we aren't the "house of Israel", yes we are. Everyone is.

Israel = "God prevails"
the name of the nation after the return from exile

We were once exiled from Paradise. We have returned back to Paradise, and the curse of Adam lifted, and the way there bridged by the Blood of Jesus. No one person or nation has a lock on that name any longer. Because God prevailed for ALL of humanity, Marc.

 

[Tkjjc]

IAA according to scripture was Israel to keep the Torah for themselves? In other words what did God(Yeshua) mean when He said "be a light to the nations".

Yeshua also rehearsed this again in Matthew 5:15-16

14 “You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15
Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.

Marc

He was teaching HIS disciples Marc. Did you read 5:1-2?

 

[fritz300]

There is nothing to reconcile. The Law and the Prophets LED to Christ, pointed to Him, served as a shadow or copy of better things to come, and when it, the Torah, Crucified Him, that ended that Covenant.

but they point back to Him too!

Interesting how you agree with the fact that we are the house of Israel, this is very true

check out a couple chapters
http://www.hebroots.org/2housesch1.html#CHAP1

Blessings

 

[Tkjjc]

Right it's a whole new covenant. The first was written on stone. The second the same that was written on stone is being written on our hearts by Him, He's doing the writing by the Holy Spirit. Both covenants employ the law unless you can prove otherwise.

Marc

Just a silly little question. Since a law of yours is to write a Torah scroll, by hand, why would God therefore need to write it on your heart Marc? Would that therefore mean you ARE NOT the House of Israel? Why would Jesus say that He came ONLY for the LOST SHEEP of the House of Israel, did He not die for you too? Is He not YOUR sacrifice? Why would Jesus make the statement in Revelations to COME out of HER, meaning Babylon? We, the lost sheep of the House of Israel, were NEVER in Babylon. Never adopted any of her WAYS, never bowed to any of HER GODS, and never wrote a book while being in captivity, dealing with numerology and mystic stuff. Kabbalah.


Just curious is all.

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

He is not a Levite Marc, and?

There is nothing to reconcile. The Law and the Prophets LED to Christ, pointed to Him, served as a shadow or copy of better things to come, and when it, the Torah, Crucified Him, that ended that Covenant. So you are saying the the covenant was the Torah? Not according to Jeremiah 31.

This is the Father in which I serve. He gave His only begotten Son, as a sacrifice, for my Sin, for ALL time. Not year after year, day after day, minute by minute, but ALL time. This is how much He LOVES us. I agree He has reconciled us back. But you haven't answered the question.

And now you know why the early Christians were not liked nor welcomed, by their fellow peers, and why Stephen was stoned to death. To be a Christian a Jew must let our High Priest, mediate a NEW COVENANT, and with a NEW COVENANT, comes NEW LAWS. Laws which only I know for me, and you know for you. Personal, as my God and Father is personal for me. Based upon the UNIVERSAL LAW OF LOVE, these LAWS are forever encompassing and written on OUR, MY, HEARTS. There you are wrong. You could say this if the Temple wasn't present at the time of Stephens sermon. Did you know that Stephen was falsely accused? You want to know the reason why The Way wasn't welcomed? The main battle wasn't Messiah, the main battle was the inclusion of gentiles into the faith.

And how does your carnal mind try to even fathom the nature of God? Why He does what He does, and how He does it? From the Torah? From the Bible? From the Rabbi? Please,,for unless He guides you with HIS Spirit, and reveals these mysteries, TO YOU, you are still carnally minded who needs to be reconciled back to Paradise and with Father, and His Son who DIED FOR YOU. It's not my carnal mind it's what scripture says.

Paul said these things as God's Law lets a person know that he has fallen from grace and what this Grace is, to men whose God's Laws were not yet written on their hearts. Ummm the law being written on the heart or not wasn't Paul's teaching.

How would you know if you wronged someone, unless you knew what the wrong was. I say this as Paul was still living in the generation of Jesus. Same GENERATION. All that you see the Apostles talking about, these were talking to people who were ALIVE at the time of Jesus the Christ. How would you read Hebrews to the Hebrews, without knowing the ins and outs of temple worship, and daily life as a Jew? About the Priesthood as well? Also this lets us in the latter generations know that ALL these things did indeed point to Jesus, and that the plan of God was ordained, even in the Garden. I can see you don't have the context of Hebrews as it is a highly extremely Hebraic epistle.


"FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND I WILL WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS. AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE."

And before you go into how we aren't the "house of Israel", yes we are. Everyone is. I never said how you are not part of Israel. I have posted referance to Ephesians 2 where Paul says that you were once strangers and aliens to the commonwealth of Israel and the covenants of promise.

Israel = "God prevails"
the name of the nation after the return from exile

Unfortunately you spiritualize scripture too much.
We were once exiled from Paradise. We have returned back to Paradise, and the curse of Adam lifted, and the way there bridged by the Blood of Jesus. No one person or nation has a lock on that name any longer. Because God prevailed for ALL of humanity, Marc.We have returned back to Paradise. I will say we see glimpses of Paradise but a complete return no. The New Covenant is not complete. If it was then I myself would be obeying Him all the time naturally as an example.

Marc

 

[Tkjjc]

Unfortunately you spiritualize scripture too much.

Thank you. Glory is all His though.

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

Just a silly little question. Since a law of yours is to write a Torah scroll, by hand, why would God therefore need to write it on your heart Marc? Because He said He would. Would that therefore mean you ARE NOT the House of Israel? Why would Jesus say that He came ONLY for the LOST SHEEP of the House of Israel, did He not die for you too? Because He said He only came for the Lost Sheep of Israel. Tkjcc why do you have a hard time believing what scripture says?Is He not YOUR sacrifice? Why, and I am reading the book by your fellow MJ, would Israel be the "natural" Olive Tree, wouldn't that therefore mean that you need to be grafted into us, or is the word Israel here just implied to be Jacob?? Why would Jesus make the statement in Revelations to COME out of HER, meaning Babylon? We, the House of Israel, were NEVER in Babylon. Never adopted any of her WAYS, never bowed to any of HER GODS, and never wrote a book while being in captivity, dealing with numerology and mystic stuff. Kabbalah.


Just curious is all.

Tkjcc again you want to spiritualize too much which leads to false beliefs such as suppercessionism and/or dispensationalism.

Apparently there is a who lot of people like yourself who read verses Jeremiah 31-34 only and don’t read the preceding and proceding verses. It’s very clear. This is speaking about Israel and Judah. Not a replacement for Israel and Judah. It’s very specific because it says , that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man and the seed of beast. It’s speaking about DNA. You got the DNA? This is literally Israel. Who’s the New Covenant for? Israel and Judah period no additions. How does Tkjcc have a hope if it’s without Israel and Judah? As Eph 2 tells Tkjcc, Tkjcc had no hope. There was no way Tkjcc could be part of Israel, Tkjcc doen’t t have the ‘DNA’. Unless it’s by being united with the One who has the ‘DNA’. A Jewish Messiah why He remains Jewish is Tkjcc's only hope. OtherwiseTkjcc has no hope. Tkjcc can never be apart of this.

The New Covenant is one must be apart of Israel or you can’t be part of the New Covenant period.

Marc

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

Just a silly little question. Since a law of yours is to write a Torah scroll, by hand, why would God therefore need to write it on your heart Marc? Because He said He would. Would that therefore mean you ARE NOT the House of Israel? Why would Jesus say that He came ONLY for the LOST SHEEP of the House of Israel, did He not die for you too? Because He said He only came for the Lost Sheep of Israel. To the Jew first.Tkjcc why do you have a hard time believing what scripture says?Is He not YOUR sacrifice? Why, and I am reading the book by your fellow MJ, would Israel be the "natural" Olive Tree, wouldn't that therefore mean that you need to be grafted into us, or is the word Israel here just implied to be Jacob?? Why would Jesus make the statement in Revelations to COME out of HER, meaning Babylon? We, the House of Israel, were NEVER in Babylon. Never adopted any of her WAYS, never bowed to any of HER GODS, and never wrote a book while being in captivity, dealing with numerology and mystic stuff. Kabbalah.


Just curious is all.

Tkjcc again you want to spiritualize too much which leads to false beliefs such as suppercessionism and/or dispensationalism.

Apparently there is a who lot of people like yourself who read verses Jeremiah 31-34 only and don’t read the preceding and proceding verses. It’s very clear. This is speaking about Israel and Judah. Not a replacement for Israel and Judah. It’s very specific because it says , that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man and the seed of beast. It’s speaking about DNA. You got the DNA? This is literally Israel. Who’s the New Covenant for? Israel and Judah period no additions. How does Tkjcc have a hope if it’s without Israel and Judah? As Eph 2 tells Tkjcc, Tkjcc had no hope. There was no way Tkjcc could be part of Israel, Tkjcc doen’t t have the ‘DNA’. Unless it’s by being united with the One who has the ‘DNA’. A Jewish Messiah why He remains Jewish is Tkjcc's only hope. OtherwiseTkjcc has no hope. Tkjcc can never be apart of this.

The New Covenant is one must be apart of Israel or you can’t be part of the New Covenant period.

Marc

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

Why would Jesus say that He came ONLY for the LOST SHEEP of the House of Israel,

to the Jew first, and also to the Greek

God is not only the God of the Jews, He is the God of the Jews and the gentiles, both of whom are to be included in "Jacob's tents," in His glorious Kingdom. God did not establish a new or separate "faith system" for gentiles - they are to be one with Israel within the faith of Israel. This is also made clear by Paul in one of his other letters, where he tells gentile believes, that they are now no longer of the world, but instead part of the faith of Israel, with its Torah covenant:

Ephesians 2:11-13 - Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
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There is also an order indicated by the use of the phrase, "to the Jew first." The concepts of sin, salvation, Messiah, Kingdom, etc., are all part of the faith of Israel. This was all given to them by God, to share with the rest of the world (Matthew 5:13-16). Even if Israel fails Him, He is faithful to the promises He made them (Romans 3:4, chapters 9-11). God does not change.
Yeshua's original instructions to his disciples were to go to the lost sheep of Israel and not to the gentiles. After His death, the gospel went to the gentiles, but in each city, the apostles would first preach to the Jews in the synagogue. Some would accept the message of Yeshua, some would reject it. Only after the Jews in each city had fully received the gospel and made their decision, would this message then go to the gentiles.
The pattern of "to the Jew first," continued to the very end of Paul's life. When he does make it to Rome (Acts 28:15-31) Paul goes to the synagogue leaders first.

Marc

 

[Tkjjc]

to the Jew first, and also to the Greek


Marc

Why then does Paul say to the Jew first if Jesus said he came ONLY for the LOST SHEEP of the House of Israel? Maybe because both houses were without? Without understanding of Father's Way?

See, I think your eyes might start opening up here. You have to admit the Jewish (Judah) leaders were corrupted. They didn't even follow the Torah, as it was intended. The religousized it too much, and made it to be a power or glorified self religion, instead of how it was intended. Jesus brandished over and over the leaders of the Jewish sect, because of this. They were "white-washed tombs" among other things. They kept the "keys to the kingdom", and they knew what they were, and didn't even bother to go in themselves. They held the scrolls, including the Law, and it's supreme interpretations of this Law. Yet they broke it over and over. Jesus didn't come to call these people, as he didn't need to. He said Moses would accuse them for what they did or didn't do, as they put ALL there hope in HIM.

The Lost Sheep of the House of Israel, was not corrupted by Law, as they didn't have any. It was lost for generations. Was the Torah originally meant for us as well? Who knows! Who cares!! Jesus came and instituted a NEW COVENANT, and did this by HIS BLOOD, not the one the people in the wilderness had, but a BETTER one. These Laws are written on my heart. I don't need a Torah, and by the way. Don't you think for a split second that God Almighty knew that one day the internet would be here and we could have Torah ALL WE WANT??? So why the heart Marc? You cannot even answer that question, and probably you don't care. Oh yea,,

Because He said He would

good answer.

I am not saying that I do intentionally break any of the 10 Commandments, as the are Holy and Just Commandments. But I don't LIMIT GOD the FATHER either. If I don't have a problem Honoring my father and mother, that one isn't needed. If I don't have a problem coveting peoples goods, don't NEED that one either. Why just 10 or why just 613? Who knows, maybe that was all they could handle back then. Shoot, I know mine are many. But they are mine, Marc. These must be overcome in the flesh, if I want to inherit the rewards that await me. As should ALL of you. But to sit there and claim righteousness based upon some Law in stone, or in a book, means you have failed to understand the SPIRITUAL side of God, and are limiting Him to just the carnality of life.

For example:
If you write a Law in a book, that says you can rape a woman, and marry her later if she wants to marry you. (Which is in Torah)
Does this make rape, ok?
Does it break any OTHER Laws?
Well, then you would have to DEFINE rape.
Is it voluntary intercourse but not yet the right age(Statutory)
or involuntary but as slaves or captured women,
or married(Holy) but not consented(Willingly).

Once you get into the legalities of what the original Law was as intended, by the time you get to the actual intent by the person who wrote it, it has become corrupted. We are dealing with carnality here.

 

[Tkjjc]

Tkjcc again you want to spiritualize too much which leads to false beliefs such as suppercessionism and/or dispensationalism.

Apparently there is a who lot of people like yourself who read verses Jeremiah 31-34 only and don’t read the preceding and proceding verses. It’s very clear. This is speaking about Israel and Judah. Not a replacement for Israel and Judah. It’s very specific because it says , that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man and the seed of beast. It’s speaking about DNA. You got the DNA? This is literally Israel. Who’s the New Covenant for? Israel and Judah period no additions. How does Tkjcc have a hope if it’s without Israel and Judah? As Eph 2 tells Tkjcc, Tkjcc had no hope. There was no way Tkjcc could be part of Israel, Tkjcc doen’t t have the ‘DNA’. Unless it’s by being united with the One who has the ‘DNA’. A Jewish Messiah why He remains Jewish is Tkjcc's only hope. OtherwiseTkjcc has no hope. Tkjcc can never be apart of this.

The New Covenant is one must be apart of Israel or you can’t be part of the New Covenant period.

Marc

Wow. Come out of Her, Marc. That was extremely racial and prejudiced. God is not a Jew. You really think that? So what is everyone else, monkeys?

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

Why then does Paul say to the Jew first if Jesus said he came ONLY for the LOST SHEEP of the House of Israel? Maybe because both houses were without? Without understanding of Father's Way?

See, I think your eyes might start opening up here. You have to admit the Jewish (Judah) leaders were corrupted. They didn't even follow the Torah, as it was intended. The religousized it too much, and made it to be a power or glorified self religion, instead of how it was intended. Jesus brandished over and over the leaders of the Jewish sect, because of this. They were "white-washed tombs" among other things. They kept the "keys to the kingdom", and they knew what they were, and didn't even bother to go in themselves. They held the scrolls, including the Law, and it's supreme interpretations of this Law. Yet they broke it over and over. Jesus didn't come to call these people, as he didn't need to. He said Moses would accuse them for what they did or didn't do, as they put ALL there hope in HIM.

The Lost Sheep of the House of Israel, was not corrupted by Law, as they didn't have any. It was lost for generations. Was the Torah originally meant for us as well? Who knows! Who cares!! Jesus came and instituted a NEW COVENANT, and did this by HIS BLOOD, not the one the people in the wilderness had, but a BETTER one. These Laws are written on my heart. I don't need a Torah, and by the way. Don't you think for a split second that God Almighty knew that one day the internet would be here and we could have Torah ALL WE WANT??? So why the heart Marc? You cannot even answer that question, and probably you don't care. Tkjcc the answer is obvious. In Deuteronomy He said He would circumcise our hearts. Why the heart? We are faulty not His Torah. If you heart is circumcised you will obey Him. But we are not there yet. Sanctification is a process and nowhere in scripture does it imply perfection. Why does God say He would circumcise our hearts? 1 “Now it shall come to pass, when all these things come upon you, the blessing and the curse which I have set before you, and you call them to mind among all the nations where the LORD your God drives you, 2 and you return to the LORD your God and obey His voice, according to all that I command you today, you and your children, with all your heart and with all your soul, 3 that the LORD your God will bring you back from captivity, and have compassion on you, and gather you again from all the nations where the LORD your God has scattered you. 4 If any of you are driven out to the farthest parts under heaven, from there the LORD your God will gather you, and from there He will bring you. 5 Then the LORD your God will bring you to the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it. He will prosper you and multiply you more than your fathers. 6 And the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live. Oh yea,,
good answer.

I am not saying that I do intentionally break any of the 10 Commandments, as the are Holy and Just Commandments. But I don't LIMIT GOD the FATHER either. If I don't have a problem Honoring my father and mother, that one isn't needed. If I don't have a problem coveting peoples goods, don't NEED that one either. Why just 10 or why just 613? Who knows, maybe that was all they could handle back then. Shoot, I know mine are many. But they are mine, Marc. These must be overcome in the flesh, if I want to inherit the rewards that await me. As should ALL of you. But to sit there and claim righteousness based upon some Law in stone, or in a book, means you have failed to understand the SPIRITUAL side of God, and are limiting Him to just the carnality of life.

For example:
If you write a Law in a book, that says you can rape a woman, and marry her later if she wants to marry you. (Which is in Torah)
Does this make rape, ok?
Does it break any OTHER Laws?
Well, then you would have to DEFINE rape.
Is it voluntary intercourse but not yet the right age(Statutory)
or involuntary but as slaves or captured women,
or married(Holy) but not consented(Willingly).

Once you get into the legalities of what the original Law was as intended, by the time you get to the actual intent by the person who wrote it, it has become corrupted. We are dealing with carnality here.

Marc

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

Wow. Come out of Her, Marc. That was extremely racial and prejudiced. God is not a Jew. You really think that? So what is everyone else, monkeys?

Did Yeshua keep the Sabbath and all the commandments? Was He circumcised on the 8th day?

Marc

 

[IamAdopted]

Did Yeshua keep the Sabbath and all the commandments? Was He circumcised on the 8th day?

Marc

Jesus was born of the Jewish descent according to the flesh..

 

[IamAdopted]

Did Yeshua keep the Sabbath and all the commandments? Was He circumcised on the 8th day?

Marc

LOL and are you saying that He had to in order to have right standing with God. The reason He might have been circumsized was because He was born of woman according to the Law..

 

[Tkjjc]

Did Yeshua keep the Sabbath and all the commandments? Was He circumcised on the 8th day?

Marc

Jesus of Nazareth was yes. The child was born a Jew, raised a Jew, lived as a Jew, "worshiped" as a Jew<--huh???, Kept the PERFECT JEWISH LAW, obeyed ALL that He could(He had no sin, so a bunch didn't apply), was killed by that very same Law, and to top it ALL off, died as a JEW. He was probably more Jew than ANY other JEW that ever lived. In fact the King of the Jews, or so they wanted him to be.

But who came out of that tomb, my dear brother Marc, was no Jew for that pascal Lamb was slain. He is...

I AM

THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA
THE FIRST AND THE LAST
BEGINNING AND END
the
LIVING
WORD
of
GOD
ALMIGHTY

Do you know Him? He really is awesome once you do get to know Him. I got a date to eat Supper with Him in a few years. Can't imagine what is on the menu.
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[IamAdopted]

Jesus of Nazareth was yes. The child was born a Jew, raised a Jew, lived as a Jew, "worshiped" as a Jew<--huh???, Kept the PERFECT JEWISH LAW, obeyed ALL that He could(He had no sin, so a bunch didn't apply), was killed by that very same Law, and to top it ALL off, died as a JEW. He was probably more Jew than ANY other JEW that ever lived. In fact the King of the Jews, or so they wanted him to be.

But who came out of that tomb, my dear brother Marc, was no Jew for that pascal Lamb was slain. He is...

I AM

THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA
THE FIRST AND THE LAST
BEGINNING AND END
the
LIVING
WORD
of
GOD
ALMIGHTY

Do you know Him? He really is awesome once you do get to know Him. I got a date to eat Supper with Him in a few years. Can't imagine what is on the menu.
​

Hey I have the very same date.. What a reunion that will be.. Oh Praise to our King..

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

Jesus of Nazareth was yes. The child was born a Jew, raised a Jew, lived as a Jew, "worshiped" as a Jew<--huh???, Kept the PERFECT JEWISH LAW, obeyed ALL that He could(He had no sin, so a bunch didn't apply), was killed by that very same Law, and to top it ALL off, died as a JEW. He was probably more Jew than ANY other JEW that ever lived. In fact the King of the Jews, or so they wanted him to be.

But who came out of that tomb, my dear brother Marc, was no Jew for that pascal Lamb was slain. He is...

I AM

THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA
THE FIRST AND THE LAST
BEGINNING AND END
the
LIVING
WORD
of
GOD
ALMIGHTY

Do you know Him? He really is awesome once you do get to know Him. I got a date to eat Supper with Him in a few years. Can't imagine what is on the menu.
​

Jesus of Nazareth was yes. The child was born a Jew, raised a Jew, lived as a Jew, "worshiped" as a Jew<--huh???, Kept the PERFECT JEWISH LAW, obeyed ALL that He could(He had no sin, so a bunch didn't apply), was killed by that very same Law, and to top it ALL off, died as a JEW. He was probably more Jew than ANY other JEW that ever lived. In fact the King of the Jews, or so they wanted him to be.

But who came out of that tomb, my dear brother Marc, was no Jew for that pascal Lamb was slain. He is...

So are you walking as He walked?

How was He killed by the law?

Do you know Him? He really is awesome once you do get to know Him. I got a date to eat Supper with Him in a few years.

And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us

I like it personal as well. If I am His subject, I will obey Him. Obedience is my part of our RELATIONSHIP.

If someone is not His subject, why would they want to live in His Kingdom, now or later?

Either that or God lied when He called the Mosaic commands "eternal" and "everlasting."

Can't imagine what is on the menu

Knowing that we will be keeping the biblical calendar in Messiah's Kingdom it is clear that keeping the calendar is part of Kingdom living. In that day ALL mankind will keep the Sabbath. When we sit down to eat with the Master, the menu options will certaintly not include shrimp or ham. If one does not desire fellowship with Him in Olam Hazeh (this present age), why would want it in Olam Haba (the World to Come)? And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us

And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ
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So are you walking as He walked?

Trying to yes. He was the first Overcomer, but not the last.

How was He killed by the law?

The Law condemned Him for blasphemy. Well, A scroll didn't but those fellows who were HARD CORE POMPOUS LEADERS AND PRIESTS did. Their "interpretation" of the Law, and I see we still have those today. Blind leading the blind.


And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us

I honor those given to me. Mine though, not yours. You "keep" yours.

I like it personal as well. If I am His subject, I will obey Him. Obedience is my part of our RELATIONSHIP.

Really? You obey, I'll Love. I'll get more seed planted, and you can do, well, whatever it is you do.
Love is the ONLY part of MY relationship. He has already done the Hard Part. Praise be HIS Name!!

If someone is not His subject, why would they want to live in His Kingdom, now or later?

Actually, I get to reign with Him. You can be a subject, though, if that is what you desire.

Either that or God lied when He called the Mosaic commands "eternal" and "everlasting."

Ex 21:6
"Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever."

Is this servant going to serve his master in the next life? FOR EVER? EVERLASTING?

Knowing that we will be keeping the biblical calendar in Messiah's Kingdom it is clear that keeping the calendar is part of Kingdom living. In that day ALL mankind will keep the Sabbath. When we sit down to eat with the Master, the menu options will certaintly not include shrimp or ham. If one does not desire fellowship with Him in Olam Hazeh (this present age), why would want it in Olam Haba (the World to Come)? And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us

Now there is time keeping in heaven, Marc? Wow! Wonder if we will have watches too.

And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

Do you have the testimony of Jesus Christ? What does that verse tell you through the Spirit, as only the Spirit can interpret it. Because that is the revealing of the Spirit, the Revelation(or revealing what was hid) OF Jesus Christ.

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