YES or NO: Do The 10 Commandments Still Apply To Us Today? (2)

Doveaman · Apr 17, 2009

visionary said:
You know, when a barrier is broken down, when the dividing wall comes down, it is like east meeting west. There is a joyful reunion of the two. You are to see both now.

The 'reunion' occurs through the removal of the law that caused the barrier in the first place.

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 17, 2009

visionary said:
You know, when a barrier is broken down, when the dividing wall comes down, it is like east meeting west. There is a joyful reunion of the two. You are to see both now.

Doveaman said:
The 'reunion' occurs through the removal of the law that caused the barrier in the first place.

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RND · Apr 17, 2009

Doveaman said:
The 'reunion' occurs through the removal of the law that caused the barrier in the first place.

Which law? The sane, rational and perfect "law" (Torah/teaching) of God or the law and traditions of men?

Doveaman, the NT says nothing about me being allowed to marry my sister. Can I? Is that wise? If not, where would I learn about such a thing?

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 17, 2009

RND said:
Which law? The sane, rational and perfect "law" )Torah/teaching) of God or the law and traditions of men?

Doveaman, the NT says nothing about me being allowed to marry my sister. Can I? Is that wise? If not, where would I learn about such a thing?

1 Corin 7:26 I am lawlizing then this, ideal to be belonging because of the being present distress, that ideal to a man thus to be
27 You been bound to a wife? No be seeking to be loosed!. Thou hast been loosed from a wife? No be seeking a wife.

Romans 13:11 And this knowing the time, that hour it-is already out of sleep to be roused, for now is-nearer/egguteron <1452> of us the Salvation than when we believed.
12 The Night progresses, the yet Day has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758). We should be putting off then the works of the Darkness, we should be putting on the implements of the Light.

Doveaman · Apr 17, 2009

RND said:
The mitsvah.

...as recorded in Torah.

The "law" is what "condemned" Him.

And He in turn condemned it.

He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code (law), with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross...Col 2:13-14.

Not without the Holy Spirit.

Correct, but without the letter of ten commandments.

Doveaman · Apr 17, 2009

RND said:
Which law? The sane, rational and perfect "law" (Torah/teaching) of God or the law and traditions of men?

Neither.

It is the law letter of ten commandments.

Doveaman, the NT says nothing about me being allowed to marry my sister. Can I? Is that wise? If not, where would I learn about such a thing?

From the law of the Spirit, not of the letter.

There is no command against marrying your sister in the law letter of ten commandments.

visionary · Apr 17, 2009

Doveaman said:
The 'reunion' occurs through the removal of the law that caused the barrier in the first place.

the barrier was the that which separated the jew from the gentile.. not the law itself.

Stryder06 · Apr 17, 2009

Doveaman said:
The 'reunion' occurs through the removal of the law that caused the barrier in the first place.

And here I am thinking that it was sin that seperated us from God.

RND · Apr 17, 2009

Stryder06 said:
And here I am thinking that it was sin that seperated us from God.

Oh, stop Stryder! Haven't you heard? We're not under the law, we're under grace!? As long as we claim Jesus died on the cross we are free to do whatever we want just so long as we "think" we are being led by the "spirit."

Jim Jones? Led by the spirit. David Koresh? Led by the spirit. We should never ask which "spirit" unless we have a can opener.

So, if one is compelled by the "spirit" to say marry their sister then the sense of the law be damned.....

Ah, but apparently "society" sees the usefulness of such a law. Or, maybe not. I mean if "society" judges that men should marry men what "Bible" truths do the "Bible thumpers" choose to stand on? OT or New?

New? Then I can marry my sister or a dog, but not a man. Consistency is not an option.

Doveaman · Apr 17, 2009

visionary said:
the barrier was the that which separated the jew from the gentile.. not the law itself.

It was indeed the law itself.

He (Peter) said to them: "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with a Gentile or visit him...Acts 10:28.

RND · Apr 17, 2009

Doveaman said:
It was indeed the law itself.

He (Peter) said to them: "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with a Gentile or visit him...Acts 10:28.

Talmud, not Torah.

athemitos = from a - a 1 (as a negative particle) and a derivative of themis (statute; from the base of 5087); illegal; by implication, flagitious:--abominable, unlawful thing.

Doveaman · Apr 17, 2009

Stryder06 said:
And here I am thinking that it was sin that seperated us from God.

It is not just God being spoken of in context.

He (Peter) said to them: "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with a Gentile or visit him...Acts 10:28.

Remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise...But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.

For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility... Eph 2:12-16.

RND · Apr 17, 2009

Doveaman said:
It is not just God being spoken of in context.

He (Peter) said to them: "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with a Gentile or visit him...Acts 10:28.

It is such a shame that you have no more basic knowledge of the "law" than to think outside of the box in terms of what is meant.

Tell me Doveaman where does the Torah specifically state that a "Jew" (sic) cannot associate with a gentile?

BTW, did you know Caleb means "dog?"

Mat 15:26 But he (Jesus) answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast [it] to dogs. Mat 15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

Even Jesus got in the act of calling the "gentiles" dogs.......

Losingmyfaith · Apr 17, 2009

The simple fact is that if the Ten Commandments were really the "word of God" they should transcend time and space. I mean how could anyone argue that the word of an omniscient God is somehow irrelevent or that it does not apply to our time?

Doveaman · Apr 17, 2009

RND said:
Oh, stop Stryder! Haven't you heard? We're not under the law, we're under grace!? As long as we claim Jesus died on the cross we are free to do whatever we want just so long as we "think" we are being led by the "spirit."

Jim Jones? Led by the spirit. David Koresh? Led by the spirit. We should never ask which "spirit" unless we have a can opener.

So, if one is compelled by the "spirit" to say marry their sister then the sense of the law be damned.....

Ah, but apparently "society" sees the usefulness of such a law. Or, maybe not. I mean if "society" judges that men should marry men what "Bible" truths do the "Bible thumpers" choose to stand on? OT or New?

New? Then I can marry my sister or a dog, but not a man. Consistency is not an option.

You sound like Nicodemus. Are you two related?

Tu Es Petrus · Apr 17, 2009

Enjoying the show !!

Doveaman · Apr 17, 2009

Losingmyfaith said:
The simple fact is that if the Ten Commandments were really the "word of God" they should transcend time and space. I mean how could anyone argue that the word of an omniscient God is somehow irrelevent or that it does not apply to our time?

It's not and argument. It's a fact.

He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant- — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory...will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?...2 Cor 3:6-8.

Doveaman · Apr 17, 2009

Tu Es Petrus said:
Enjoying the show !!

Hopefully, you will lean a few things on the side.

Tu Es Petrus · Apr 17, 2009

I doubt it

Doveaman · Apr 17, 2009

RND said:
Talmud, not Torah.

athemitos = from a - a 1 (as a negative particle) and a derivative of themis (statute; from the base of 5087); illegal; by implication, flagitious:--abominable, unlawful thing.

If ones understanding of basic truth is flawed then knowing the title of many books isnt going to clear up that misunderstanding.

What is needed is the TRUTH, because, contrary to what you may think, it is the TRUTH that reveals Scripture, and not just Scripture that reveals truth.

You would do well to fully embrace that TRUTH so as not to be blinded by so many books.

You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life...John 5:39-40.

It isn't that I don't believe you have come to Christ, it's just that you will not have the complete freedom of the life He offers if you are stuck in ten commandments.

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery...Gal 5:1.

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