YECs and Tar Pits

[Andy 998]

You're dating the tar pits from what is found in them, and dating what is found in them by the tar pits.

If you dived to an old ship and recovered a cannon that had a date of 1760 on it would you think that the ship had sunk before or after 1760?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

This argument works for the entire geologic column. The fossil record conforms beautifully to the principle of faunal succession no matter where you're looking or what taxa you deal with. The fossil record is very very heavily sorted - science explains this by saying that it's sorted with respect to time, YECs have absolutely no explanation.

The research I'm doing for my dissertation is completely dependent on the reality of faunal succession. If all vertebrate animals who have ever lived all coexisted 6,000 years ago then the patterns I look at every day would not exist. You wouldn't see an orderly change from one fauna to another over time, it would be a giant jumbled mess.

Where did the geologic layers come from that buried those critters?

 

[Andy 998]

Where did the geologic layers come from that buried those critters?

I think this post is about the animals in the Tar Pits not geologic layers, there are no geologic layers in the Tar Pits only Tar, the animals went onto the Tar and slowly sank, predators saw them struggling and went onto the Tar to eat them they then slowly sank themselves, very few things that went onto the Tar survived.

 

[troodon]

Where did the geologic layers come from that buried those critters?

I am talking about layers, and they came from every sort of depositional environment imaginable - river systems, lakes, near-shore and far-shore marine, etc. Why do you ask?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I am talking about layers, and they came from every sort of depositional environment imaginable - river systems, lakes, near-shore and far-shore marine, etc. Why do you ask?

Are these layers of material different for each epoch? Are the layers identified more by the composition of the strata or the fossils they contain?

 

[AV1611VET]

Then how do you explain the fact that only Pleistocene fossils are found there?

"Pleistocene" is just a word to describe a unit of time inhabited by a subset of life that existed in a figment of scientists' imagination.

In truth, man and "Pleistocenes" lived together.

Adam & Eve probably had some as pets.

How "only" these found their way into asphalt lakes is anybody's guess.

I would assume the animals that were not found therein, were not found therein because they would have never made it to them in the first place.

They would have been eaten before they got there.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes you are.

No.

You believe that the earth was created only 6,000 years ago, therefore, a "young" earth.

You left out a very important key qualifier, didn't you?

I believe a 4.57 billion year old earth was created only 6000 years ago.

And may I point out that you are a Presbyterian that believes the books of Moses are a fairy tale?

 

[Strathos]

"Pleistocene" is just a word to describe a unit of time inhabited by a subset of life that existed in a figment of scientists' imagination.

In truth, man and "Pleistocenes" lived together.

Adam & Eve probably had some as pets.

How "only" these found their way into asphalt lakes is anybody's guess.

I would assume the animals that were not found therein, were not found therein because they would have never made it to them in the first place.

They would have been eaten before they got there.

Except animals from before and after that period that inhabited the same ranges and occupied the same ecological niches are not found there...

 

[MerlinJ]

I believe a 4.57 billion year old earth was created only 6000 years ago.

You believe god created a universe with 99.99996% false history?

 

[RickG]

"Pleistocene" is just a word to describe a unit of time inhabited by a subset of life that existed in a figment of scientists' imagination.

A unit of time, yes. To describe a subset of life that existed during that time, NO. The Pleistocene is a period of time from 2.588 Ma to 11.7 ka. in which there were multiple glaciations.

 

[RickG]

No.

You left out a very important key qualifier, didn't you?

I believe a 4.57 billion year old earth was created only 6000 years ago.

You can't have it both ways. Besides, it makes God a deceiver.

And may I point out that you are a Presbyterian that believes the books of Moses are a fairy tale?

I have never called them fairy tales nor will I ever. I just do not believe them to be literal nor fully factual. Can you provide archeological evidence of any Hebrews being slaves in Egypt during the reign of Ramses? Not to mention your interpretation of the creation story has God being a deceiver creating an earth and all its contents and history 6,000 years ago made to look 4.5 billion years old.

 

[Loudmouth]

I believe a 4.57 billion year old earth was created only 6000 years ago.

You have also been shown that this requires God to plant fake fossils in the ground, and yet you keep pushing the same idea.

Even though Kingsley wrote the following to Phillip Henry Gosse of "Omphalos" fame, he could have been writing it for our very own AV.

"Shall I tell you the truth? It is best. Your book is the first that ever made me doubt the doctrine of absolute creation, and I fear it will make hundreds do so. Your book tends to prove this - that if we accept the fact of absolute creation, God becomes God-the-Sometime-Deceiver. I do not mean merely in the case of fossils which pretend to be the bones of dead animals; but in ...your newly created Adam's navel, you make God tell a lie. It is not my reason, but my conscience which revolts here ... I cannot ...believe that God has written on the rocks one enormous and superfluous lie for all mankind. To this painful dilemma you have brought me, and will, I fear, bring hundreds. It will not make me throw away my Bible. I trust and hope. I know in whom I have believed, and can trust Him to bring my faith safe through this puzzle, as He has through others; but for the young I do fear. I would not for a thousand pounds put your book into my children's hands"--Charles Kingsley

 

[AV1611VET]

Except animals from before and after that period that inhabited the same ranges and occupied the same ecological niches are not found there...

If they are not found there, how do you know they inhabited the same ranges and occupied the same ecological niches?

 

[AV1611VET]

You believe god created a universe with 99.99996% false history?

No -- that is called Last Thursdayism.

 

[AV1611VET]

A unit of time, yes. To describe a subset of life that existed during that time, NO. The Pleistocene is a period of time from 2.588 Ma to 11.7 ka. in which there were multiple glaciations.

Okay, thanks for the correction.

 

[Loudmouth]

No -- that is called Last Thursdayism.

That is exactly what your embedded age nonsense requires. You claim that rocks date to millions of years because they have embedded age from the creation event, and then you forget that those rocks have fossils in them meaning that those rocks had to be created with fossils already in them.

 

[AV1611VET]

I have never called them fairy tales nor will I ever.

Again, thanks for the correction.

I just do not believe them to be literal nor fully factual.

Thanks for the clarification.

Can you provide archeological evidence of any Hebrews being slaves in Egypt during the reign of Ramses?

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Not to mention your interpretation of the creation story has God being a deceiver creating an earth and all its contents and history 6,000 years ago made to look 4.5 billion years old.

That's not even worth addressing.

 

[AV1611VET]

That is exactly what your embedded age nonsense requires. You claim that rocks date to millions of years because they have embedded age from the creation event, and then you forget that those rocks have fossils in them meaning that those rocks had to be created with fossils already in them.

Then you agree I'm not a YEC?

 

[Loudmouth]

Then you agree I'm not a YEC?

I agree that you believe in a deceiver God.

 

[HitchSlap]

Then you agree I'm not a YEC?

If you think the earth was created 6-10,000 years ago, then you're a YEC.