What I'm taking from this is denial of what she presents with out actually addressing her points. To be saved a person does not need to believe the Biblical Creation story. It's weird to me that it's brought up in that context.
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What I'm taking from this is denial of what she presents with out actually addressing her points. To be saved a person does not need to believe the Biblical Creation story. It's weird to me that it's brought up in that context.Yes that is true, but looks like when given a hold science is good at hardening hearts and science knowledge will not be of much use at the great white throne. But by then it is too late.
-Yes that is true, but looks like when given a hold science is good at hardening hearts ...
... and science knowledge will not be of much use at the great white throne.
But by then it is too late.
To make threats like that, you must think agreeing with your interpretation of Genesis is more important to God than embracing the Gospel of Christ.
It is pretty well identical. In my original reference I said "The young woman you dismiss as a "silly girl on youtube", or something similar," (Emphasis added.) The two phrases - your actual phrase and my recollection of it - are equally dismissive and inaccurate.So for you, me saying a little girl is speaking nonsense. Is the same as calling the same person a silly girl, if you want to look at that way fine with me.
I don't think the Earth was created for many reasons. The lack of any meaningful evidence that the Christian God is real. The lack of meaningful evidence that any God is real. The requirement that such beliefs must be founded on faith. My considered opinion that faith is far too risky a method for arriving at truth, or Truth, or "truth". The development of detailed, substantiated explanations for the origin of the Earth and its subsequent evolution.In my post (213) to your reply i placed in bold what my question was addressing "I don't think the Earth etc, was created,"
Then please don't give it a second thought. I shall continue to appreciate the power of logic chains applied to detailed, repeatable, quantitative observations as a reliable means of discerning the past.My attitude is, if this method is true and accurate. Then test this method on something where a undeniable conclusion can be seen and not on something that is claimed to have happened billions of years ago. Where no one who is presently doing this testing was around. That method may be believable and acceptable to you, but for me it is not worth a second thought.
There's that red herring again. It's beginning to smell bad.How in the world did you come to that conclusion.
I was talking about a person who didn't get saved because we was led to believe all evidence pointed to a lack of this, that, and the other thing in the Bible -- including God.
It is pretty well identical. In my original reference I said "The young woman you dismiss as a "silly girl on youtube", or something similar," (Emphasis added.) The two phrases - your actual phrase and my recollection of it - are equally dismissive and inaccurate.
I don't think the Earth was created for many reasons. The lack of any meaningful evidence that the Christian God is real. The lack of meaningful evidence that any God is real. The requirement that such beliefs must be founded on faith. My considered opinion that faith is far too risky a method for arriving at truth, or Truth, or "truth". The development of detailed, substantiated explanations for the origin of the Earth and its subsequent evolution.
That's the condensed version. Since the path to this position took several years and contained many diverse aspects it would, I think, be tedious for you if I were to lay it all out.
Then please don't give it a second thought. I shall continue to appreciate the power of logic chains applied to detailed, repeatable, quantitative observations as a reliable means of discerning the past.
Thank you for your responses.
What I'm taking from this is denial of what she presents with out actually addressing her points. To be saved a person does not need to believe the Biblical Creation story. It's weird to me that it's brought up in that context.
I did not say that they (scientists) were studying creation. I said that if creation, as envisaged by you, was real, then scientists would be studying creation. I understand you to view creation as being as literally as described in Genesis. If you mean something else, please let me know.-So you do not believe in God because there is no creation, the earth is not actually created. So when something exist but is not created, how is that defined. What does science call this thinking and what they are examining. Because if the earth, etc was not created, then they are not studying a creation, what are they studying .
Creationist are called creationist because they believe a creator God created everything.
From my perspective, science is opening a window into the creation process. What's not wanted in some quarters is the new creation story that science is telling.-So you do not believe in God because there is no creation, the earth is not actually created. So when something exist but is not created, how is that defined. What does science call this thinking and what they are examining. Because if the earth, etc was not created, then they are not studying a creation, what are they studying .
Creationist are called creationist because they believe a creator God created everything.
From my perspective, science is opening a window into the creation process. What's not wanted in some quarters is the new creation story that science is telling.
Here is another video from Erika.
As I've said many times now, I'll take what science is showing us about the Earth any day over the creation story of an ancient middle-eastern tribe of desert dwellers. Science is open to learning and growing. Not so much for the other side.
As I've said many times now, I'll take what science is showing us about the Earth any day over the creation story of an ancient middle-eastern tribe of desert dwellers. Science is open to learning and growing. Not so much for the other side.
As I've said many times now, I'll take what science is showing us about the Earth any day over the creation story of an ancient middle-eastern tribe of desert dwellers. Science is open to learning and growing. Not so much for the other side.
Yes, I will trust in a system that is a system of growth; a system so designed to identify and correct mistakes; a system that honestly reports on failures and ferrets out lies. I won't simply trust in it, I shall celebrate and admire it, for its patience and modesty. And this I shall do in preference to your offered alternative of a Being for which their is no significant evidence and whose existence must be taken on faith.So you will trust in a system that has to grow and learn which obviously will have mistakes, failures and even lies, to advance its system. Over a Being that does not have the problems associated with learning, growing and truth telling.
Here is another video from Erika.
Make that any of many proposed godsYes, I will trust in a system that is a system of growth; a system so designed to identify and correct mistakes; a system that honestly reports on failures and ferrets out lies. I won't simply trust in it, I shall celebrate and admire it, for its patience and modesty. And this I shall do in preference to your offered alternative of a Being for which their is no significant evidence and whose existence must be taken on faith.
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