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Featured Would you still be a Christian without the incentive of Heaven?

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by bettercallpaul, Aug 26, 2017.

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  1. bettercallpaul

    bettercallpaul Full- time Catholic

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    exactly. as a reward.
     
  2. thetruth0

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    Making Heaven is not the reward, gaining an office is.
     
  3. disciple1

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    Matthew chapter 7 verse 13
    "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

    I just thought I'd show it was misunderstood.
     
  4. Blade

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    Never had this question before. Like asking would you die for Christ. Duh.. yet you just dont hear NO if ever. Yet.. history says different. 12 walked with Him, seen ALL the wonders He did.. and knew they would die for Him. Yet.. ALL left when push came to shove. And we that have not seen Him or the all those wonders would? So myself.. said all my life. If being a "Christian" was just going to Church and reading the bible.. I would have left along time ago. I get stuck so many times on what I see feel.. so "your living forever right now".. ok lol..not what I look forward to. Really.. Like so many of you.. Its Him.. thats what I want..thats the reason. He gives you this TASTE...that EVERYTHING within you goes NUTS FOR! A hunger for Him.. that never ends. For me..its this LOVE that sees all this wickness hate for HIM...yet.. He has this love for them...that goes way past my understanding.. THATS what I want

    I read about the "road".. I never see this as every lasting life. Well I take it as its written. Wide is the gate to destruction. We see this EVERYDAY! Narrow is the way to life. Each translation that I read says "life" not every lasting life. And.. we see this right now in life. Few find it.. did not Jesus say.. I came to give you LIFE and give it more abundantly?
     
  5. toLiJC

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    even one minute serving the true God is more than nothing, and it's definitely worth it - after all, there is an eternal reward therein, because if anyone saves even one soul/person, they save all souls in the longest term of the eternity...

    Blessings
     
  6. Phil 1:21

    Phil 1:21 Well-Known Member

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    Without heaven there is no Christianity.
     
  7. thetruth0

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    No it hasn't.

    The GOD HIMSELF said:
    If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. Enoch and Elijah the great Prophets never saw death and transfigured in life.

    Destruction is death as death is called your enemy in revelations. What has been misunderstood is the true message, the core message of the Gospel.

    Death is not the route to heaven, it is the route to hell. Since Hell is the place for the dead. those who are resurrected entered through the broad gate, because how many people do you think have died since the foundation of the world?

    Those that entered through the narrow gate gained eternal life, never died, not even physically, and there be few 2 to be exact thus far, that found it.
     
  8. Paul of Eugene OR

    Paul of Eugene OR Finally Old Enough Supporter

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    I can't answer those questions. But it just seems a sheer waste to have intelligent, spiritual, loyal and able servants who never have anything assigned to them to do, so . . . expect work. Report for DUTY! Maybe we have to wait until the 2nd coming . . . but whats a few more years up against eternity?
     
  9. Phil 1:21

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    So Jesus lied to the criminal in Luke 23:43 when he said, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise."?
     
  10. thetruth0

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    That paradise is not Heaven, its Abraham's Bosom. The GOD in the 3 days after HE was crucified did not go to Heaven either.

    John 20
    17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
     
  11. Phil 1:21

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    So Jesus isn't in heaven either? You have some "odd" theological beliefs.
     
  12. thetruth0

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    Did i say that?

    No i said in the three days after HE was crucified, HE had not yet ascended the to the father, and i provided scripture to prove it.

    You either don't understand english, or you don't understand scripture.
     
  13. disciple1

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    So your saying Jesus entered through the broad gate.


    I don't think I'm the one misunderstanding.
     
  14. Phil 1:21

    Phil 1:21 Well-Known Member

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    You may want to review the forum rules before throwing out anymore personal insults.
     
  15. thetruth0

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    The GOD incarnate is not in the count as the GOD is immortal. Unbelievable that you would suggest such a thing. HE came to atone for the Original Sin, Mortality. HE did not come to run HIS race. This comment shows a complete lack of understanding of anything Spiritual.
     
  16. thetruth0

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    it wasn't an insult, it is the only 2 options as to why you would respond in that way since i never said what you stated.
     
  17. Phil 1:21

    Phil 1:21 Well-Known Member

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    Actually, you did. And telling someone whose posting in perfect English that they don't understand English is a personal attack. I have reported your post.
     
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  18. Constantine the Sinner

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    Heaven and earth aren't mutually exclusive, you can experience heaven on earth; heaven is simply the radiant presence of God. At the end, there will be a full rejoining of heaven and earth.

    Would I be a Christian if there were no Resurrection or life after death? No, Paul himself said Christianity would worthless, pointless and empty if there weren't, and Christians would be the sorriest people there are. If you'd be a Christian even if there were no Resurrection, then frankly you don't understand Christianity.
     
  19. thetruth0

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    No i didn't state your reply at all. You made an assumption based on your reply, which is not what ive said. Ok, reported it, sure.
     
  20. Constantine the Sinner

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    Where exactly does the Bible say ritual and ceremony are bad or unnecessary? God seems to place an enormous emphasis on them.

    He also places a lot of emphasis on vestments. Indeed, when Christ condemns how Pharisees dress, he's obviously not referring to vestments, since vestments were prescribed by God and the Pharisees wouldn't be wearing them (since they were not priests).
     
  21. thetruth0

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    Rituals are not of GOD. Rituals are of the occult. They are mysticism, spiritualism, divination etc...
    The GOD does not work in Rituals.
     
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