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Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by bettercallpaul, Aug 26, 2017.

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  1. thetruth0

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    I am not the restorer. I am an echo of his voice. How can we commune with others regarding the WORD, if we don't show them the truth of what they read first?

    Here is an example of how revelation knowledge is found within the scriptures.

    Matt 5:27
    Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

    Did the people know this before it was revealed? in the same way, the Prophet reveals whats hidden in the scriptures.

    How would anyone believe the message of the person if it does not line up with what they know? But in doing so, a revelation of what they read is revealed, and if they have eyes to see and ears to hear, they see that the Spirit has come back into the WORD because they can hear his voice, which they did not understand to begin with because the WORD has been without the Spirit of Prophecy to interpret it. This has been and is the reason for why Prophets were sent unto the churches (im not talking about churches since the crucifixion here, but the 6 church ages which have come before, from the fall of Man, until now).

    The churches being led by their brains (now im talking about the ones you call church fathers), and not being called by GOD to feed HIS people, has had 0 revelations. This is why i asked: What Prophet or Apostle has dealt with this in the last 1000 years? You will know yourself, there is a Hierarchy in the Body of Christ - your paul told you that, did he not? Why do you think that the GOD which installed, ordained this hierarchy, would also break the very order HE installed?

    this is showing that unless a Prophet (true Prophet) or an Apostle (true Apostle) deals with anything that you call cannon, or Heresy, then it is not coming from GOD. The GOD is the same, yesterday, today and forever. It is because of what these people have done, that there even needs to be a restorer, a restitutioner.

    And one who is a Prophet, or an Apostle is Ordained directly by GOD, and there is evidence of this annointing, it is not the power to do miracles, it is his message. It is the message which is the fruit of the preacher, because it is the message which we eat, which separates the false form the true, as the true will be led by the Most Holy Spirit, and not by the brain as the false are.
     
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  2. thetruth0

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    double post.
     
  3. SPF

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    Two questions. First, who is or was the restorer who you echo?

    Second, how do you justify using the Bible (which I assume you do) when the Bible that you open and the books that you read were canonized by people that you say have had 0 revelations. It was the Early Church Fathers that defended what we believe to be the inspired works of the Bible and rejected what we know to be fake and Gnostic teachings. Or do you actually reject the "standard" Bible and have your own?
     
  4. thetruth0

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    Did you not read that the Prophet John in the island of Patmos swallowed a book? Or in Daniel that the things were sealed? the restorer doesn't rely on the bible because he ate the Scriptures, for He hears from the GOD and speaks only what he hears. For instance, do you know that Joseph still attended the synagogue even after baby JESUS H.P was born and with them? Why go to the synagogue when the GOD is in your house?

    In the same way, these things, these scars of Apostasy, the alter which the prophets of baal threw down, these are what is being restored. The ARK is being coupled again, not physical ARK, but the body of Christ, prepared without spots blemishes or wrinkles.

    But when communing with people that are only eating the milk, that have not come to a Spiritual Height to understand these revelations, we must use your bible to show you the meaning of whats written.

    Now to your first question: you say you read your bible and know the scriptures, yet you ask me who the restorer is? You tell me, who are the scriptures written of?
     
  5. SPF

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    I would assume the restorer is Christ. What about my second question? Have you considered that before?
     
  6. thetruth0

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    Why would it be Christ? when Christ - the GOD in the Flesh is the one who is returning to a bride that is already prepared for HIM without Spots, blemishes or wrinkles?

    your second question is this: the ones that put the bible together were not called by GOD to do so, it was supposed to be Apostles and that was shown in them being told to pick up every piece of food which fell from the mouths of the people and they gathered 12 baskets (the 12 tribes of Israel) and the 7 baskets (the 7 Church ages). But the ones that put the bible together were the ones that killed the apostles (persecuted), stole the scrolls, hijacked the church, and preached a counterfeit Christ. they removed things from the scrolls, they added things in which a blasphemies against the character of GOD, they butchered the WORD which is what was being revealed in the parable of the good samaritan. Which is why it was preachers which left the man to die. The Good Samaritan is the restorer, the one that will usher in the return of the GOD, and transfigure the church, and the earth.
     
  7. SPF

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    You're honestly leaving me confused, can you speak in a straight forward manner? Will you name the Restorer please?

    And the Early Church Father's who put Scripture together were the ones who were themselves persecuted and martyred. I don't know how much knowledge you have of Church history, but it seems like it can't be much if you're suggesting that people like Athanasius and Irenaeus were the ones doing the persecuting.

    So what you're saying was that when the apostles wrote their letters to different local churches and people that they should have known that what they were writing was inspired and they should have themselves put their letters together to make a book?

    What then am I supposed to read and turn to in order to find Truth? According to you, it sounds like the Bible I have here in front of me has had teachings removed, and untruthful teachings added. Do you have possession of what was removed? Do you know what was changed? How do you know it was changed?

    Does the Good Samaritan have a name? Is he alive today? Can you name him for me?
     
  8. thetruth0

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    The only ones to have walked with GOD are the Apostles. No one else has been ordained an Apostle and that includes paul. Much of what the Apostles wrote are not in your bible because of the unnecessary elevation of paul, who over stepped his line, and called himself an apostle, which he was not. He is the one responsible for the lack of knowledge in the body of Christ in the worldly churches today.

    No, your church fathers are the romans, they are the ones which killed the Apostles. The restorer is the Spirit Of Elijah, who has come to restore all things. The church has gone through 3 denials which is why Apostle Peter denied Christ 3 times before the cock crowed. These are:

    paganism
    Papalism
    False Protestantism

    For Apostle Peter was in the shoes of the Church and this took place during the night time of Apostasy, which is why the Cock crowed, pointing to the dawn of a new day. This is also why Joshua stopped the sun - as they wrote it, and why the rain was stopped by Elijah, as that was pointing to the windows of heaven being shut for a time, times and half a time as it is written in Daniel, which was also the night time.

    Night time because there was no light in the world as there was no mouthpiece for the GOD, referring to Prophet or Apostle, and thus none who put the bible together were led by GOD, but by their own inspiration, and some were even agents of the enemy, which is why there are blasphemies in the bible.

    I know my sheep. They know my VOICE, and they follow me. This voice here is pointing to the message of the Prophet HE sent. Rev 18:4, and the Voice of the Spirit of Elijah is that another voice in this verse. This is the voice im echoing, to reach those also who know this voice.
     
  9. SPF

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    Not really, MY church father's would be people like Irenaeus, do you know who that was? He was actually the disciple of the Apostle John. The Romans didn't determine what was Scripture and what was not. You need to at least have your historical facts correct if you're going to try and convince people that the entirety of Christendom is in error.

    So when I look at my Bible, can I trust the NT works that came from the Apostles other than Paul? I see we need to toss out Paul, but what about the letters from James, Peter, and John - are those still preserved and trustworthy? What about the Gospel of Luke and the book of Acts?

    And finally, how did you come into this knowledge? Were you just reading your Bible and suddenly realized that Paul was a liar? Do you have anyone you can point to that also believes as you do? Or are you the beginning of finally restoring the Church and pointing us back towards the Truth?
     
  10. thetruth0

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    I don't consider your questions to be genuine but ill answer them.
    The bible you have today is in circulation because of the Romans. the catholic Church is the Mother Harlot and so all denominations which stem from her, are her daughters. there are none that are separate.

    the scars of Apostasy are not concerning only the books, but the verses in those books which are incomplete, or incorrect or even lies.

    I came to this truth because i was seeking the GOD and HIS righteousness, and HE ordered me into HIS ARK where these revelations (truth) is raining from HIS mouthpiece, the Spirit of Elijah.

    Scriptures all the way from even Genesis which have given the body of Christ the wrong mindset because they were placed in a way that would not reveal the GOD to HIS children. This is why many would say the OT is a vengeful GOD and NT is a loving GOD. Yet HE is the same today and forever.

    Even as far back as the fall of Man, where they wrote that GOD cursed Adam H.E, and Eve, and the serpent. OR that GOD spoke to Cain directly. Or that Jacob is a thief (which he is not) or that samson is womanizer(which he is not) These a great Men of GOD, which were all part of the LOGOS, and they have been blasphemed. This is what it means to turn the hearts of the fathers back to their children and turn the hearts of the children to their fathers. Elijah was called a coward because of how they wrote it, and how it was interpreted, as was Jonah, this is supposed to be the WORD that is life Giving! The GOD does not make mistakes and HE does not gamble on losers.

    These Men were great Men of GOD! So, there are many, many incorrect verses and incomplete verses which are a result of the Apostasy, the time in which there was no Angel of the church age, or any Prophet.

    I never believed paul, even before coming to the truth, I always questioned his books. The Gospel of the kingdom is for seekers, those that want to know the GOD, and to begin seeking you first have to acknowledge that you don't know HIM. this is hard for Christians since they are bound by their faith and belief, which is ghostly. This is the time where the wheats and the tares shall be separated, and it is because only true seekers of GOD, will receive it.
     
  11. SPF

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    Remember a few pages back when you said to me, "There you go assuming things again." Don't you go doing the same thing now...

    So just to recap here so I have this right, because now it sounds much worse than I thought... I thought that I would be able to trust the NT in-so-far as the books outside of Paul, but now what you're saying is that the entirety of Scripture has been corrupted, and many things that are in even the OT were falsely planted before even Christ was born (because we do have old copies you know).

    I guess my question is how would I be able to access the same knowledge that you've been able to access. I want to know the Truth and I want my beliefs to line up with the Truth. You seem to have been given special knowledge that as far as I can tell has never been given to anyone else other than you. Is that true? Can you confirm that The God has told anyone other than you the things you mentioned above?

    I actually read the story of Samson to my children the other night, and to be honest I skipped over a part or two. According to what you've said, it might actually have been a really good thing that I did! But how am I supposed to know? How do I get this special knowledge that you've been given?
     
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    I am an ARKER. Im not alone, but perhaps the only one on this Forum as i ma here looking to find seekers of the truth. The way you come to this knowledge is by entering the ARK, and leaving the world churches and entering into Gilgal, where these Revelations are raining. This is the church that the gates of hell shall not prevail against, as no one in the ARK shall die, because they are living by every WORD that proceeds from the mouth of GOD.

    John 8:51-52
    If a man keeps my saying, he shall never see death.

    Now you know that men have studied the bible for centuries, reading from front to back. you also know that the GOD cannot lie. So, why have men been dying if they are reading and keeping the words in the bible?
     
  13. SPF

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    So where is the ARK and where is Gilgal? And are you saying that you and the other Arkers will not die?
     
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    No one in the ARK shall die. There is a reason for Matt 4:4, and John 6:53 and its not communion as the churches do, but it is eating the WORD of GOD. The Spirit hungers for the WORD and that is what the Spirit eats. Which is why it is referred to as the fruit of the tree, the edible part of the tree which one eats, is the message of the Preacher. Didn't you ever wonder why John the Apostle that was in the Role of the Prophet didn't die even though they tried to kill him? Or why he ate the book that was sealed? We are supposed to be fed by our shepherd. We don'pt go to church to learn how to be better Christians, we go to church to eat the WORD of GOD, to prepare us for our return to Heaven, because no one goes to Heaven a stranger, or without the knowledge of GOD, the Son of GOD, or the Son of Man.

    Gilgal is the Spiritual term for the first of four places we must reach in our race. Right now you are in Egypt - the World, or Sodom - religion.
    Gilgal, Bethel, Jericho, Jordan, which was shown by the Great Prophet Elijah of Tishbe, which he followed before He transfigured and returned to heaven without tasting death at all.

    The ARK is in the east, just as it was written in Matt 24. I can tell you more if you truly want to know, but can we take this to Pm? i can't pm you as i don't have enough ratings. We have hijacked this thread long enough.
     
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    Nah, I don't really need to hear any more. I think it's pretty clear you're a follower of a cult, a throwback to the Gnostics, who claimed to have special revelation. What you claim you can't support - you can't actually demonstrate that anything in the OT was corrupted, you can't demonstrate that anything in the NT was left out. All you can do is refer to your own Gnostic special revelation.

    It's amazing to me how easily people can get led astray.
     
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    And thus, i was right, your questions were not genuine. For this is written about in the very bible you read. I knew you were not seeker, which is why i proposed Pm. I am not a gambler. Good day, sir.
     
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    That is as much as can be directly derived from and supported by scripture, and it's all the doctrine itself states.

    Every analogy by nature goes beyond saying what the doctrine states, and thus falls into error. Some analogies can illustrate a way to view or think about it, but anyone using an analogy must be quick to point out its limitations.

    I agree.
     
  18. 4x4toy

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    This ..
    Coming from seeking things, seeking approval from others and thrill seeking before salvation to being satisfied in Jesus and learning to love what is right plus losing that ever looming emptiness feeling before salvation, heaven will be icing on the cake .. I'm not looking to die but the couple times I've faced it I am surprised my heart rate never increased a beat from fear of it, that is real .. Circumcision of the heart makes perfect sense for explanation .
     
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