Would you shoot a home invader?

[drich0150]

You have not provided sufficient biblical clarity to sway me to your view.

That's just it I'm not trying to sway you to anything. I am only pointing out that your current teaching is flawed. There is much your teachings do not account for. I never once said it is a Christians duty to shoot anyone coming into their home.

The only thing that even comes close is when i told you that if someone is breaking into your home that they are not looking for forgiveness, and their life was not governed by philosophies. It was governed by greed or need.

 

[drich0150]

And you still haven't shown us where a Christian killed anyone in the NT. And I don't think you will.

Because my self righteous brother this argument has ceased being about home invaders, and has turn to how you and one other practically applies your theology, at the expense of God's actual word, to preserve your own Pride...

Thus completes another circle..

 

[ivebeenshown]

That's just it I'm not trying to sway you to anything. I am only pointing out that your current teaching is flawed. There is much your teachings do not account for. I never once said it is a Christians duty to shoot anyone coming into their home.

The only thing that even comes close is when i told you that if someone is breaking into your home that they are not looking for forgiveness, and their life was not governed by philosophies. It was governed by greed or need.

If you are not trying to sway me to anything, what then is the point of this discussion? I am pointing out that your current teaching is flawed, and once again, you have not replied to my post:

"Do not resist an evil person."

Implies that we are not to oppose a person who does evil. It does not say: "Do not resist the following evils:" or "Do not resist these evil people:", it says "Do not resist an evil person."

The only thing besides evil is good. Is a home invader doing good in the eyes of God? If not, he is then evil, and Christ said:

"Do not resist an evil person."

 

[drich0150]

In fact, you did not reply to this post I made:

The context of this statement:

"Do not resist an evil person."

Implies that we are not to oppose a person who does evil. It does not say: "Do not resist the following evils:" or "Do not resist these evil people:", it says "Do not resist an evil person."

The only thing besides evil is good. Is a home invader doing good in the eyes of God? If not, he is then evil, and Christ said:

"Do not resist an evil person."
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I thought you were joking we went over this already like a dozen times...

Christ gives an example of what is meant by "Evil person" if you can have someone read past verse 39 you will see what that is...

 

[ivebeenshown]

I have read the whole book, my friend. It does not say: "Do not resist only the following evils:" or "Do not resist only these evil people:", it says "Do not resist an evil person."

 

[drich0150]

If you are not trying to sway me to anything, what then is the point of this discussion? I am pointing out that your current teaching is flawed,

If I have no teachings then how can they be flawed?

I have only pointed out that you are in error, and gave a deep explaination as to why.

 

[ivebeenshown]

If I have no teachings then how can they be flawed?

I have only pointed out that you are in error, and gave a deep explaination as to why.

That is called 'teaching someone the error of their ways.'

I'm afraid I must withdraw from this discussion, drich0150. I hope you have gained some level of knowledge from it, as I know I have. Have a good weekend!

 

[drich0150]

I have read the whole book, my friend. It does not say: "Do not resist only the following evils:" or "Do not resist only these evil people:", it says "Do not resist an evil person."

Is rape evil?
Is a man who rapes other men considered "An Evil Man?"

If some strange man wanted to rape you, would you go along with it or resist? what if He asked, and no matter your answer it was going to happen anyway..

If you went along with it and turned yourself over to his (As you claim the bible/Jesus instructs) desire to Rape you, then you are not being raped. you are involving yourself in Gay sex. If you resist it is rape... So my question is: if there is never an instance where resisting an evil man is lawful then how is it we are not involving ourself in the "sin" being committed against us?? You are simply trading one sin for another in your theology. In your best estimation is this what God wants from us?

So you see if you Read Past verse 39 Jesus precisely outlines the "Evil" he is speaking of. Jesus never says all or anything that be considered Evil. He draws a very complete picture of the evil He is speaking of.. That is The evil of slapping one in the face. It was a terrible sin to do so it was a sin against another person and their pride. Christ is commanding us in Mt5 not to answer Sins against our wounded Pride... He is not telling us to Not nor never defend ourselves.

That sin Jesus speaks of is Kinda like what your efforts seem to amount to getting this statement of yours answered again, and again. rather than simply going back and reading what i wrote the first few times. (You are answering what you perceive to be a slap in the face with another slap in the face.)

And for what? Do yo truly seek understanding? or are you proudfully trying to win this sinners heart?

 

[ivebeenshown]

drich0150, I can now say that I agree with your stance.

My understanding came about indirectly from what you said about rape. I didn't know how to respond, and found this link: Random Observations: Jesus, Pacifism, and Resisting Evil

Your very first response to me in this thread just did not strike me with the sense of clarity that this site did -- that each of Jesus' described situations were lawful. I know you had mentioned the examples past "Resist not an evil person" but there just wasn't that 'click'.

I do truly seek understanding. I ask you now to please, in the future, exhaust all of your possible explanations on someone. Hit it from every approach possible. There's always one small 'thing' it takes to make it click for someone. As you may now know, I don't really feel too nice when I'm called out as 'proud' or 'self-righteous.' I don't think anybody would like that.

Once again, I thank you for having had this discussion as it has now led to some real fruits!

 

[Duckybill]

Because my self righteous brother this argument has ceased being about home invaders, and has turn to how you and one other practically applies your theology, at the expense of God's actual word, to preserve your own Pride...

Thus completes another circle..

Self righteous? Nah. I'm righteous by Jesus Blood atonement.

 

[Duckybill]

I have read the whole book, my friend. It does not say: "Do not resist only the following evils:" or "Do not resist only these evil people:", it says "Do not resist an evil person."

You are indeed correct!

 

[Duckybill]

Is rape evil?
Is a man who rapes other men considered "An Evil Man?"

If some strange man wanted to rape you, would you go along with it or resist? what if He asked, and no matter your answer it was going to happen anyway..

If you went along with it and turned yourself over to his (As you claim the bible/Jesus instructs) desire to Rape you, then you are not being raped. you are involving yourself in Gay sex. If you resist it is rape... So my question is: if there is never an instance where resisting an evil man is lawful then how is it we are not involving ourself in the "sin" being committed against us?? You are simply trading one sin for another in your theology. In your best estimation is this what God wants from us?

It's interesting that you don't even mention that God will Help His own. Didn't occur to you?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

It's interesting that you don't even mention that God will Help His own. Didn't occur to you?

and this is where you run into trouble. Because what you're really saying here is that those who have been robbed, assaulted, raped, etc. were NOT one of God's own.

 

[Duckybill]

and this is where you run into trouble. Because what you're really saying here is that those who have been robbed, assaulted, raped, etc. were NOT one of God's own.

Why don't you stop making things up? What I'm saying is that they have been deceived by Satan. Many Christians have been deceived but are still Christians. God has given His people power over Satan. Most don't have a clue how to use their power.

 

[ivebeenshown]

Duckybill, please read this link... it made it clear to me. Random Observations: Jesus, Pacifism, and Resisting Evil Just thought it might help you in some way...

 

[Duckybill]

Duckybill, please read this link... it made it clear to me. Random Observations: Jesus, Pacifism, and Resisting Evil Just thought it might help you in some way...

RARELY do I read links. Evil is evil. Either God helps or He doesn't.

"The Lord is my helper"

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Why don't you stop making things up? What I'm saying is that they have been deceived by Satan. Many Christians have been deceived but are still Christians. God has given His people power over Satan. Most don't have a clue how to use their power.

I was raped, Ducky. What does that say about my faith to you?

 

[Duckybill]

I was raped, Ducky. What does that say about my faith to you?

It says you didn't use your power that God gave us.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

It says you didn't use your power that God gave us.

and that's where I tell you that you are dead dead wrong.

This is why your logic falls apart, Ducky, and you refuse to acknowledge it.

I used all the power I had. I said prayers. I said them over and over and over and over again, Ducky.

You know how God protected me during that? In the process of the rape, the guy got spooked by something, I kneed him in the groin and then poked him in his eyes and he took off.

I suppose that poking him was the wrong thing to do. I suppose I should've asked him if he wanted to finish raping me.

 

[drich0150]

Why don't you stop making things up? What I'm saying is that they have been deceived by Satan. Many Christians have been deceived but are still Christians. God has given His people power over Satan. Most don't have a clue how to use their power.

So let me understand, if only good things happen then you are to be considered one of God's own.. If Bad things happen you have been fooled by Satan but still are a Christian?

What of the Apostle Paul? He died in a rather terrible way was He fooled by Satan? When do you think this foolery happened? Was it at the end of His ministry or during the times He was writing the Letters that would become the majority of NT?

What of Steven, Peter, and every other martyr of the Church? Were they also fooled because they did not live up to the expectations of a prosperity doctrine? Or is there an exception their?

Again your teachings scream of a person who has lived a privileged and sheltered life. This in of itself in not a sin nor is it something to be ashamed of. It becomes a sin when one bends God's words to fit his particular life style.