Would you shoot a home invader?

[drich0150]

So you're saying a home invader is "an evil person"?

Matthew 5:39 (NKJV)
39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person.

Are you foolish or obstinate?

Keep reading Christ gives an example of the Evil Person he is talking about. (Spoiler alert) that is not a home invader

It doesn't worry you that you have to take scraps of scripture like this one to put together your arguements?

Why are you so afraid of putting scripture in it's proper context?

 

[Duckybill]

So you feel sorry for David, for approaching Goliath with his sling? Why is that? Do you think if He simply had faith like you have, God would have simply struck him down like all of the Goliaths in your life?

David wasn't under the NT.

"Love your enemies" "Do good to those who hate you" "Do not resist an evil person" etc.

Again, why can't the gun like the sling be used as the tool of God? Is the God you worship so small He can not use anything except what you perceive to be "Miracles" to effect change?

No He's not small, in fact He's so BIG I don't have to use Satan's methods to save myself or mine.

The only real issue with slings swords or guns is the empowerment it gives the individual. If this empowerment exceeds one's faith in God then I will concede that there is sin in owning a gun. At the same time it is foolish to assume that all instances except your own, are not consistent with the path of a true Christian.

Still waiting for anyone to show where any Christian in the NT killed anyone.

 

[ivebeenshown]

Why are you so afraid of putting scripture in it's proper context?

drich0150, any proud homosexual who claims faith in Christ makes that very statement regarding Leviticus 20:13.

The context of this statement:

"Do not resist an evil person."

Implies that we are not to oppose a person who does evil. It does not say: "Do not resist the following evils:" or "Do not resist these evil people:", it says "Do not resist an evil person." That is a period, not a colon. This is an absolute statement.

The only thing besides evil is good. Is a home invader doing good in the eyes of God? If not, he is then evil, and Christ said:

"Do not resist an evil person."

 

[drich0150]

A home invader is not a good person doing good, he is an evil person doing evil. "Do not resist an evil person."

what are you guys afraid of? why can't you put your favorite verse in it's proper context? Christ outlines what an "evil person was." To Change or misrepresent that, is to Change or misrepresent The Words Of Jesus Christ Himself... IS your pride worth what it is costs to maintain it? And all of that cost just to get the last word in this foolish argument?

What of the command to turn the other cheek in Mt 5? Why do you ignore this verse in favor of the one before it? All for the sake of pride.. Your sins are like one's being paraded by ducky. Why do you not acknowledge them? Why do you insist this argument is still about defending one's home? Wake up and look at what you are doing.

 

[ivebeenshown]

what are you guys afraid of? why can't you put your favorite verse in it's proper context? Christ outlines what an "evil person was." To Change or misrepresent that, is to Change or misrepresent The Words Of Jesus Christ Himself... IS your pride worth what it is costs to maintain it? And all of that cost just to get the last word in this foolish argument?

What of the command to turn the other cheek in Mt 5? Why do you ignore this verse in favor of the one before it? All for the sake of pride.. Your sins are like one's being paraded by ducky. Why do you not acknowledge them? Why do you insist this argument is still about defending one's home? Wake up and look at what you are doing.

drich0150, who is not self-righteous? Do we not all seek righteousness? Jesus was very self-righteous, as he was walking, breathing, living righteousness.

You display your own self-righteousness as I display mine. Are we foolish, or just seekers of righteousness?

 

[Duckybill]

what are you guys afraid of? why can't you put your favorite verse in it's proper context? Christ outlines what an "evil person was." To Change or misrepresent that, is to Change or misrepresent The Words Of Jesus Christ Himself... IS your pride worth what it is costs to maintain it? And all of that cost just to get the last word in this foolish argument?

What of the command to turn the other cheek in Mt 5? Why do you ignore this verse in favor of the one before it? All for the sake of pride.. Your sins are like one's being paraded by ducky. Why do you not acknowledge them? Why do you insist this argument is still about defending one's home? Wake up and look at what you are doing.

The "proper context" is the NT. No Christian killed anyone.

 

[drich0150]

David wasn't under the NT.

Still waiting for anyone to show where any Christian in the NT killed anyone.

We discussed this.

It has been my personal experience that when people are faced with a truth they can not except or do not wish to understand, and when they run out of things to say, they simply repeat what they have already stated... You have been going in circles for a while now, but with the intention to explain a new view or idea.. But now your answers and become short and reveal very little about what it is you are actually saying. To pursue you any further would be an act of pride on my end. at this point unless you have something new, I will choose to turn the other cheek as you should have several pages ago. rather pound you and your understandings into the ground.

You need to know and understand that my efforts here were not about guns or self defense, but more to the hypocrisy and sin in your position and the hell bent way you chose to defend it. I have shown you many different ways your actions were not consistent with what it was you were claiming to teach. So my brother before you "teach" too much more i would look to pull the plank out of my own eye before you aggressively pursue the speck in the eye of another.

 

[Duckybill]

We discussed this.

It has been my personal experience that when people are faced with a truth they can not except or do not wish to understand, and when they run out of things to say, they simply repeat what they have already stated... You have been going in circles for a while now, but with the intention to explain a new view or idea.. But now your answers and become short and reveal very little about what it is you are actually saying. To pursue you any further would be an act of pride on my end. at this point unless you have something new, I will choose to turn the other cheek as you should have several pages ago. rather pound you and your understandings into the ground.

You need to know and understand that my efforts here were not about guns or self defense, but more to the hypocrisy and sin in your position and the hell bent way you chose to defend it. I have shown you many different ways your actions were not consistent with what it was you were claiming to teach. So my brother before you "teach" too much more i would look to pull the plank out of my own eye before you aggressively pursue the speck in the eye of another.

You turned the other cheek? Is that why you're still going on and on and on?

 

[ivebeenshown]

Do you really think this is about pride, drich0150? I just don't want anyone to be wrong.

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][FONT=Times New Roman, Arial]"James 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins." [/FONT][/FONT]

 

[drich0150]

drich0150, who is not self-righteous? Do we not all seek righteousness? Jesus was very self-righteous, as he was walking, breathing, living righteousness.

You display your own self-righteousness as I display mine. Are we foolish, or just seekers of righteousness?

You misunderstand the term.
True Righteousness is the state of being right before God.
So when one speaks from the bible or when Jesus speaks it is an example of True or God's Righteousness

Self Righteousness is what one believes to be right despite what scripture or God actually says. You believe to be right in what you say on your own authority or popular speculation.

So who is not self righteous? The one who speaks from a position that supports the righteousness of God.

 

[drich0150]

You turned the other cheek? Is that why you're still going on and on and on?

your not reading my posts.. I explain what and why, billy this is quickly becomeing a waist of time..

 

[ivebeenshown]

Self Righteousness is what one believes to be right despite what scripture or God actually says. You believe to be right in what you say on your own authority or popular speculation.

Harming another human being is not supporting the righteousness of God. I'm sorry, drich0150, but you are in error. God will judge each one of us for our own sins but you cannot state that any given sin is not sinful.

You can shoot all the home invaders you feel so inclined to, and I would not judge you, but I cannot stand to let a sin be defined as 'not sin'.

 

[Duckybill]

your not reading my posts.. I explain what and why, billy this is quickly becomeing a waist of time..

Just pointing out your double standard.

 

[drich0150]

Do you really think this is about pride, drich0150? I just don't want anyone to be wrong.

So that would mean that you have to only way to view Christianity.. You could even say that No man comes to the Father but by you..

This isn't pride?

I have shown you enough to prove that your interpretations are subjective at best. One without a proud heart would have let this go. It is only for the one who maintains a righteousness outside of scripture that can maintain an absolute that the bible does not.

So again how is this Not Pride?

 

[drich0150]

Just pointing out your double standard.

Which ones would they be?

 

[drich0150]

Harming another human being is not supporting the righteousness of God. I'm sorry, drich0150, but you are in error. God will judge each one of us for our own sins but you cannot state that any given sin is not sinful.

You can shoot all the home invaders you feel so inclined to, and I would not judge you, but I cannot stand to let a sin be defined as 'not sin'.

My explanation of Righteousness has nothing to do with shooting another person. I saw where you need a biblical clarity, and freely gave it to you. My interpretation of Righteousness has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

Your assumption and follow up argument is not relevant.

 

[Duckybill]

So that would mean that you have to only way to view Christianity.. You could even say that No man comes to the Father but by you..

This isn't pride?

I have shown you enough to prove that your interpretations are subjective at best. One without a proud heart would have let this go. It is only for the one who maintains a righteousness outside of scripture that can maintain an absolute that the bible does not.

So again how is this Not Pride?

I think your mirror is severely broken.

 

[ivebeenshown]

My explanation of Righteousness has nothing to do with shooting another person. I saw where you need a biblical clarity, and freely gave it to you. My interpretation of Righteousness has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

Your assumption and follow up argument is not relevant.

You have not provided sufficient biblical clarity to sway me to your view.

In fact, you did not reply to this post I made:

The context of this statement:

"Do not resist an evil person."

Implies that we are not to oppose a person who does evil. It does not say: "Do not resist the following evils:" or "Do not resist these evil people:", it says "Do not resist an evil person."

The only thing besides evil is good. Is a home invader doing good in the eyes of God? If not, he is then evil, and Christ said:

"Do not resist an evil person."

 

[drich0150]

I never claimed to be holy or righteous, I even admitted to being a home invader at one point in my life.. I have only pointed out errors in your theologies, according to the scripture. i never said mine was the only way to God. This sentiment was only modeled after page after page of your collective teachings, not mine..

So again where else do you see this double standard in my teachings?

 

[Duckybill]

I never claimed to be holy or righteous, I even admitted to being a home invader at one point in my life.. I have only pointed out errors in your theologies, according to the scripture. i never said mine was the only way to God. This sentiment was only modeled after page after page of your collective teachings, not mine..

So again where else do you see this double standard in my teachings?

And you still haven't shown us where a Christian killed anyone in the NT. And I don't think you will.