Would you shoot a home invader?

[ivebeenshown]

38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Jesus' very words are: 'an evil person.'

Evil is generally accepted to be defined as the intention of causing harm or destruction while threatening or deliberately violating morality. (Wikipedia)

A home invader is, as such, an evil person. Jesus says "do not resist an evil person." "Give to the one who asks you."

 

[Duckybill]

Not a command= Thou shalt allow a home Invader to do whatever he or she wishes to you or your family while in your home.

Or you could trust in God to do what He said He would.

Acts 16:31 (NKJV)
31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."

 

[PreachersWife2004]

38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Jesus' very words are: 'an evil person.'

Evil is generally accepted to be defined as the intention of causing harm or destruction while threatening or deliberately violating morality. (Wikipedia)

A home invader is, as such, an evil person. Jesus says "do not resist an evil person." "Give to the one who asks you."

One could then argue that a home invader isn't actually asking...

Or you could trust in God to do what He said He would.

Acts 16:31 (NKJV)
31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."

That's spiritual salvation, not physical safety.

 

[ivebeenshown]

One could then argue that a home invader isn't actually asking...

You are correct.

However, "do not resist an evil person" still stands as a command within itself.

 

[Duckybill]

That's spiritual salvation, not physical safety.

That too!

 

[Duckybill]

You are correct.

However, "do not resist an evil person" still stands as a command within itself.

It's so simple, isn't it! Why are Christians so afraid to trust in the living God?

 

[drich0150]

38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Jesus' very words are: 'an evil person.'

And if you keep reading He Gives a Very Specific picture of what He means by "Evil Person." Do you really expect me to believe Jesus said "Evil Person" gives and example of that person, but wants me and everyone else to take your word on what he meant an evil person is despite how your word contradicts His?

Evil is generally accepted to be defined as the intention of causing harm or destruction while threatening or deliberately violating morality.(Wikipedia)

Unfortunately for your argument the Wiki definition in no way equates to how the bible defines evil. Evil Here is just a malicious intent to commit a sin. That sin is very clearly defined by the next verse.. That is why He gives very specific parameters to define this command. So people would not confuse or misrepresent what was actually said.

A home invader is, as such, an evil person. Jesus says "do not resist an evil person." "Give to the one who asks you."

This only works if you stop reading and ignore anything past verse 39. Again an Evil person was defined by his example. You are ignoring the parts of scripture that do not speak to what your personal version of righteousness wants to believe. You Speak where the bible does not.

 

[Duckybill]

38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

And if you keep reading He Gives a Very Specific picture of what He means by "Evil Person." Do you really expect me to believe Jesus said "Evil Person" gives and example of that person, but wants me and everyone else to take your word on what he meant an evil person is despite how your word contradicts His?

Unfortunately for your argument the Wiki definition in no way equates to how the bible defines evil. Evil Here is just a malicious intent to commit a sin. That sin is very clearly defined by the next verse.. That is why He gives very specific parameters to define this command. So people would not confuse or misrepresent what was actually said.

This only works if you stop reading and ignore anything past verse 39. Again an Evil person was defined by his example. You are ignoring the parts of scripture that do not speak to what your personal version of righteousness wants to believe. You Speak where the bible does not.

Someone who invades your home isn't an evil person? It's not near as difficult as you are trying to make it.

 

[ivebeenshown]

It's so simple, isn't it! Why are Christians so afraid to trust in the living God?

Duckybill, I am going to assume that you, like myself, own at least one material object other one set of clothes on your body. I am actively working towards having all or most of my possessions sold, but I cannot swear or promise that I will become a migrant member of the Church. I do accept the words as truth. There's a reason Buddha ripped off that lesson

 

[ivebeenshown]

And if you keep reading He Gives a Very Specific picture of what He means by "Evil Person." Do you really expect me to believe Jesus said "Evil Person" gives and example of that person, but wants me and everyone else to take your word on what he meant an evil person is despite how your word contradicts His?


Unfortunately for your argument the Wiki definition in no way equates to how the bible defines evil. Evil Here is just a malicious intent to commit a sin. That sin is very clearly defined by the next verse.. That is why He gives very specific parameters to define this command. So people would not confuse or misrepresent what was actually said.



This only works if you stop reading and ignore anything past verse 39. Again an Evil person was defined by his example. You are ignoring the parts of scripture that do not speak to what your personal version of righteousness wants to believe. You Speak where the bible does not.

Jesus said "Let he who is without sin throw the first stone at her." It is told in the context of a woman accused of adultery. Does this mean we should still stone people who do other things besides adultery? No.

Jesus said "Do unto others." A home invader does not want to be shot -- he wants to be forgiven. Everybody wants to be forgiven, so do unto others.

 

[Duckybill]

Duckybill, I am going to assume that you, like myself, own at least one material object other one set of clothes on your body. I am actively working towards having all or most of my possessions sold, but I cannot swear or promise that I will become a migrant member of the Church. I do accept the words as truth. There's a reason Buddha ripped off that lesson

I'm just a lowly, foolish person who doesn't know any better than to believe what God has promised to do for we who believe what He said He would do. I know I look foolish, but I will survive when many others will not. Already have indeed. God has saved my life so many times I have lost count. He is faithful to His promises.

 

[ivebeenshown]

He is faithful to His promises.

Yes indeed, our God is a righteous God who only speaks truth.

 

[drich0150]

Or you could trust in God to do what He said He would.

Acts 16:31 (NKJV)
31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."

So you choose to ignore all the points of scripture that were left by me, You ignored The hypocrisy that I have pointed out in your writings, and every other form of righteous biblical confrontation that points to the errors in your theology, in favor of this opportunity to further misrepresent the bible and more specifically what you have highlighted here in acts?

After all that was said about the verse in Mt that you pointed out, one would think you could see a need to "turn the other cheek." Rather you insist on clawing your way out of this argument with every scrap of scripture that may have any relevant word on this topic..

Just so we both understand, you choose to ignore the Actual command in Mt 5 to turn the other cheek, so that you can defend your pride with misrepersented scraps of scripture, but you maintain that if you feel God has left you, and your life was threatened you would simply roll over and die rather defend yourself or your family?

your actions do not match your claims. You have been tested here in this thread, and you do not act (in this meaningless exchange,) as you said you would have in a matter of life and death. What is to be lost here truthfully? your pride? What happens when something alittle more real is on the line? He who can be trusted with little, can be trusted with much.. you have been weighed and measured in this matter and have been found wanting. How can you expect anyone to believe that if your not willing to forfeit your pride that you will forfeit your life when asked?

As Far as your quote in Acts is concerned it does not speak to defending one's home from home invaders. Paul speaks directly as to how one and His family can find eternal life.
Acts 16:

29The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household." 32Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his family were baptized.

You should at least acknowledge that i do have a bible and a minimum of a 5th grade education before cutting and pasting random scripture in an attempt to try and push a point.

This passage in Acts has nothing to do with this topic.

 

[ivebeenshown]

drich0150,

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

There is good, and there is evil. If it is not good, then it is evil. A person invading your home would be doing evil in the sight of the Lord. Do not resist an evil person.

 

[Duckybill]

So you choose to ignore all the points of scripture that were left by me, You ignored The hypocrisy that I have pointed out in your writings, and every other form of righteous biblical confrontation that points to the errors in your theology, in favor of this opportunity to further misrepresent the bible and more specifically what you have highlighted here in acts?

After all that was said about the verse in Mt that you pointed out, one would think you could see a need to "turn the other cheek." Rather you insist on clawing your way out of this argument with every scrap of scripture that may have any relevant word on this topic..

Just so we both understand, you choose to ignore the Actual command in Mt 5 to turn the other cheek, so that you can defend your pride with misrepersented scraps of scripture, but you maintain that if you feel God has left you, and your life was threatened you would simply roll over and die rather defend yourself or your family?

your actions do not match your claims. You have been tested here in this thread, and you do not act (in this meaningless exchange,) as you said you would have in a matter of life and death. What is to be lost here truthfully? your pride? What happens when something alittle more real is on the line? He who can be trusted with little, can be trusted with much.. you have been weighed and measured in this matter and have been found wanting. How can you expect anyone to believe that if your not willing to forfeit your pride that you will forfeit your life when asked?

As Far as your quote in Acts is concerned it does not speak to defending one's home from home invaders. Paul speaks directly as to how one and His family can find eternal life.
Acts 16:

29The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household." 32Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his family were baptized.

You should at least acknowledge that i do have a bible and a minimum of a 5th grade education before cutting and pasting random scripture in an attempt to try and push a point.

This passage in Acts has nothing to do with this topic.

If you want to charge me rightfully, charge me with saying that God is faithful to take care of His own. I feel VERY sorry for those who are afraid to trust in the living God of the Bible! Guns and weapons of violence are mere toys compared to my spiritual weapons.

Psalm 46:1-2 (NKJV)
1 God is our refuge and strength, A very present help in trouble. 2 Therefore we will not fear, Even though the earth be removed, And though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;

 

[drich0150]

Jesus said "Do unto others." A home invader does not want to be shot -- he wants to be forgiven. Everybody wants to be forgiven, so do unto others.

Brother as a former Home Invader I can most assuredly say we do not want forgiveness, we want your stuff. Some of us will do anything for that stuff, it all depends on circumstance.

My best friend at the time even went so far as to smash a guys head in with a pipe for a motorcycle. He has since been executed by the state of California for his crimes. I can also say that when one enters another's home. that person is fully aware that he takes his life and places it in the hands of the home owner, but for them the potential reward is far greater than any perceived risk.

Don't fool yourself, if someone breaks down your door they are not looking for acceptance or forgiveness from you God or anyone else. Once a person gets to that level. life is not about philosophy, it's about need and desperation. No one is going to invade your home unless their need far exceeds their value for the lives or well being of those who live in that home.

 

[Duckybill]

Brother as a former Home Invader I can most assuredly say we do not want forgiveness, we want your stuff. Some of us will do anything for that stuff, it all depends on circumstance.

My best friend at the time even went so far as to smash a guys head in with a pipe for a motorcycle. He has since been executed by the state of California for his crimes. I can also say that when one enters another's home. that person is fully aware that he takes his life and places it in the hands of the home owner, but for them the potential reward is far greater than any perceived risk.

Don't fool yourself, if someone breaks down your door they are not looking for acceptance or forgiveness from you God or anyone else. Once a person gets to that level. life is not about philosophy, it's about need and desperation. No one is going to invade your home unless their need far exceeds their value for the lives or well being of those who live in that home.

So you're saying a home invader is "an evil person"?

Matthew 5:39 (NKJV)
39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person.

 

[drich0150]

If you want to charge me rightfully, charge me with saying that God is faithful to take care of His own. I feel VERY sorry for those who are afraid to trust in the living God of the Bible! Guns and weapons of violence are mere toys compared to my spiritual weapons.

Psalm 46:1-2 (NKJV)
1 God is our refuge and strength, A very present help in trouble. 2 Therefore we will not fear, Even though the earth be removed, And though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;

So you feel sorry for David, for approaching Goliath with his sling? Why is that? Do you think if He simply had faith like you have, God would have simply struck him down like all of the Goliaths in your life?

Again, why can't the gun like the sling be used as the tool of God? Is the God you worship so small He can not use anything except what you perceive to be "Miracles" to effect change?

The only real issue with slings swords or guns is the empowerment it gives the individual. If this empowerment exceeds one's faith in God then I will concede that there is sin in owning a gun. At the same time it is foolish to assume that all instances except your own, are not consistent with the path of a true Christian.

 

[ivebeenshown]

Brother as a former Home Invader I can most assuredly say we do not want forgiveness, we want your stuff. Some of us will do anything for that stuff, it all depends on circumstance.

And a murderer wants you out of their way for whatever purpose.
And a liar wants to manipulate you, or cover up their previous error.
And a rapist just wants to 'feel good.'

And then, when faced with any sort of judgment or reciprocation, they want forgiveness.

A home invader is not a good person doing good, he is an evil person doing evil. "Do not resist an evil person."

 

[ivebeenshown]

So you feel sorry for David, for approaching Goliath with his sling? Why is that? Do you think if He simply had faith like you have, God would have simply struck him down like all of the Goliaths in your life?

David and Goliath was before Christ. They also stoned people in those days in accordance to law.

Christ added new commandments, and it is the command of Christ to not resist an evil person.