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If they are so faithful, why then are some of them so quick to join Satan's rebellion when he is loosed at the end of the Millennium?
Non-responsive to Charis.Hell isn't a Greek word. And words ascribed to Greek deities, like love is ascribed to Aphrodite and or her son Eros,
doesn't mean that the word itself is a product of mythology.
And to which of the following which I presented does it apply?We find those revelations in the OT from reading the NT. Like "by his stripes we are healed" etc.
Where is universalism taught in orthodoxy?That's incorrect. Even if I totally rejected the doctrine of universal reconciliation, I would still objectively know that
it has a foundation in both Orthodoxy and Scripture.
I think you should rest for a while.I'm currently in three or four huge threads that have Christians arguing over what scripture says regarding salvation/justification without/apart from works, using scripture against scripture.
The same is true today. Countless billions have gone to the afterlife with no knowledge of Christ. I believe they will meet him there. And that they will be greeted with open arms, not a sword.
All things are his. Everything and everyone.
Jesus said EVERYONE will be salted with fire.
If that is universally true, then there is no hope for any of us. Very sad. Did Jesus die to save us from God?
I just know that Philippians 2:10-11 seems to fill the requirement of Romans 10:9.
Secular universalism believes in no consequences. Christian universalism teaches that there are indeed consequences and that hell does exist, the same as the rest of Christianity. It's just that in their view hell is a place of correction.
Until just a few years ago I had never even heard that there are THREE, not just ONE, but THREE doctrinal positions on the final judgment.Something's wrong with that theory. Almost the whole of the Church has, for the better part of two millennia, discounted Universalism on Scriptural, traditional, and rational grounds. All the theologians, Bible experts and etc. But now you're saying that anyone who still doesn't think Universalism to be true has been "brainwashed?"
By that reasoning, the more that any proposition is shown to be true, the more that anyone who agrees with the findings has to have been deceived.
That's true. I have a much better understanding now of why people hate Christians. They can be most unloving if you disagree with them. Some of my longtime Christian friends have shunned me. (ouch) Had to make new friends.Having to believe in eternal torment is pretty strongly enforced in some circles. Some treat even questioning it as about the worst heresy in existence.
Right. That wasn't my point. Indoctrinated would be a more positive term. Doctrine is indoctrinated's middle name. - lol@Saint Steven didn’t argue that either. That’s just another straw man.
I hope Biden never says that. - lolhit the wrong button sorry
Pretty amazing. You are one small step away from Universalism with this posting.I have already addressed this. Yes we will all go through fire and whatever is not of faith will be gone forever but it is not replaced with anything. Fire does not provide anything. Every false belief we hold to and refuse to be corrected on will be burned away to our loss. Only building on the truth leads to overcoming the lies of this world and receives the rewards of the next.
1Cor.3:14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved.
More hairsplitting.We are born sinners Steven, we are not born evil. ...
In its context of Mark 9:42-48, Jesus is referring to the fire of refining in dealing radically with their sin (cut it off, pluck it out)Jesus said EVERYONE will be salted with fire. (Mark 9:49)
And therein lies the problem for all of us .. we all "just know" some things. It's why we have to keep persevering in learning the truth through study of the word.
Let it be enough for now knowing the fact that they do rebel after what appears to be faithful lives. As Jesus said, keep on seeking, asking and knocking. Take care.
In its context of Mark 9:42-48, Jesus is referring to the fire of refining in dealing radically with their sin (cut it off, pluck it out)
so that they won't have to deal with the fire that is not quenched.
The fire of refining is not hell, it is to keep them out of hell.
It takes a lot of glossing of Scripture to support universalism.
Yes, and at one point I was starting to talk about that possibility but too much resistance on this thread.
So everyone goes to hell?In this case it seems a matter of reading the passage in the order it was delivered, and the summation is that everyone will be salted with fire, everyone.
And to which of the following which I presented does it apply?
Did they reveal that God is three in one?
Did they reveal that the Kingdom of God was spiritual, not physical?
Did they reveal that the kingdom would be taken from the Jews and given to the Gentiles?
Did they reveal that salvation is by faith without works?
Where is universalism taught in orthodoxy?
I think you should rest for a while.
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