Would You Date a Woke Woman? One Feminist Demands that You Do!

[KingdomInTheCulture]

British actor, Laurence Fox has recently stated that he does not date "woke" women, and at least one feminist is so offended that she wants Fox de-platformed for committing the crime of refusing to date her. So do you agree that woke women are off-limits, and do you believe in dating across the political aisle?

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Better to live on a corner of the roof than share a house with a quarrelsome wife. Proverbs 25:24

 

[dzheremi]

Not that it matters, but no, I wouldn't. And honestly I'm looking forward to a time (soon, hopefully) when describing yourself as "woke" will garner the same eye-rolling dismissal as describing yourself as a "nice guy"/"nice girl" or saying "I have a lot of _____ (insert whatever minority is being talked about) friends!" tends to.

 

[redleghunter]

Well let’s be fair now. If these woke ladies can sit through this Shakespearean play without rushing the stage, then I think that shows some compromise.

 

[PloverWing]

So do you agree that woke women are off-limits, and do you believe in dating across the political aisle?

I'd never heard of Laurence Fox before today, so I don't care who he dates. (I have watched his ex-wife, Billie Piper, though. Long-time Doctor Who fan here.) And I'm married, so I'm not looking to date anyone.

But speaking generally about relationships: I do have good friends who differ with me on political and social issues. Mostly, we get along by talking about the interests we have in common, and staying away from the areas of disagreement, and I try not to read their Facebook feeds too often.

For dating, though - no, I don't think I would date an anti-feminist, because gender issues are too integral to dating and marriage. A partner who disagrees with my fiercely feminist views would be a bad match for me; they'd get along much better with a different partner. My spouse and I don't agree on everything in politics -- there's lots of room for negotiation on things like what the minimum wage should be or what are the best gun laws -- but it was important to me that we agreed on gender issues when I decided to marry him.

[ I've changed your "woke women" to "anti-feminists", since you talked about crossing the political aisle. Hope you don't mind. ]

 

[KingdomInTheCulture]

Better to live on a corner of the roof than share a house with a quarrelsome wife. Proverbs 25:24

Absolutely the perfect verse to bring up!

 

[KingdomInTheCulture]

Not that it matters, but no, I wouldn't. And honestly I'm looking forward to a time (soon, hopefully) when describing yourself as "woke" will garner the same eye-rolling dismissal as describing yourself as a "nice guy"/"nice girl" or saying "I have a lot of _____ (insert whatever minority is being talked about) friends!" tends to.

Completely agree. It is astounding that anyone seriously still describes themselves as woke.

 

[dzheremi]

Just curious as to your opinion, Plover Wing: can someone just be a non-feminist, or is everyone either a feminist or an anti-feminist?

(I would ask this about 'wokeness', but you changed it. If you want to comment on that too, that would be informative. Thank you.)

 

[KingdomInTheCulture]

I'd never heard of Laurence Fox before today, so I don't care who he dates. (I have watched his ex-wife, Billie Piper, though. Long-time Doctor Who fan here.) And I'm married, so I'm not looking to date anyone.

But speaking generally about relationships: I do have good friends who differ with me on political and social issues. Mostly, we get along by talking about the interests we have in common, and staying away from the areas of disagreement, and I try not to read their Facebook feeds too often.

For dating, though - no, I don't think I would date an anti-feminist, because gender issues are too integral to dating and marriage. A partner who disagrees with my fiercely feminist views would be a bad match for me; they'd get along much better with a different partner. My spouse and I don't agree on everything in politics -- there's lots of room for negotiation on things like what the minimum wage should be or what are the best gun laws -- but it was important to me that we agreed on gender issues when I decided to marry him.

[ I've changed your "woke women" to "anti-feminists", since you talked about crossing the political aisle. Hope you don't mind. ]

I'm in the same boat. I absolutely love having friends who disagree with me in all sorts of areas; it makes for interesting conversations. But when it comes to a romantic relationship, these differences are just too big. There is also a difference between political issues where the disagreement is based on a different interpretation of common data versus disagreements based on a different worldview.

I think it's funny that we are on completely different sides of the feminism question, yet we both agree that one shouldn't compromise on these issues, especially when considering marriage.

 

[SkyWriting]

British actor, Laurence Fox has recently stated that he does not date "woke" women, and at least one feminist is so offended that she wants Fox de-platformed for committing the crime of refusing to date her. So do you agree that woke women are off-limits, and do you believe in dating across the political aisle?

I dated girl who was in seminary run by my denomination and later a minister......so.....Hmmm

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

I'm not sure that dating people with different political views is quite what Fox is getting at. The problem with "woke" people is not about differences of political opinion - it's not about what they believe. It's that "woke" people are toxic and insufferable - not someone that healthy people, if they are completely apolitical, need in their lives. The call for Fox's deplatforming proves that point.

 

[PloverWing]

Just curious as to your opinion, Plover Wing: can someone just be a non-feminist, or is everyone either a feminist or an anti-feminist?

Yes, a person can be a non-feminist without being anti-feminist (at least, as I would use those words). When I say "anti-feminist", I have in mind people who mock feminism, who think it's a ridiculous or repulsive point of view. I was hearing that attitude from two or three speakers in the video.

By contrast, a person could hold the position that women are ill-suited to leadership positions and that men are ill-suited to child care roles (or some similar viewpoint), without thinking that feminists are stupid for believing as they do; that person might say to a feminist "I understand your point of view, but I think you are mistaken." That person would be non-feminist, but I wouldn't describe them as anti-feminist.

(I would ask this about 'wokeness', but you changed it. If you want to comment on that too, that would be informative. Thank you.)

I don't use the word "woke" in my own vocabulary. The term comes out of African-American culture, and (since I am white) I would feel I was inappropriately co-opting someone else's vocabulary. I don't feel I have a right to use the term.

Additionally, for me to claim that I am "woke" would be to imply that I am completely free of racism. I do my best, but I keep discovering that the racially difficult history and culture of the land I grew up in has affected me in unexpected ways. It's like weeding a garden; you think you've found the last weed, and then there's another one. If I say I have no sin, I deceive myself, and the truth is not in me.

 

[dzheremi]

Ah, I see. Thank you. I asked because something in your post reminded me of some minor dust-up that a younger actress (whose name is now escaping me, of course) got into some time ago where she apparently said in some interview something like "People shouldn't call themselves feminists anymore, because feminist principles are what decent people already agree with; so those are just normal people -- you're either a normal person or you're a jerk". I'm sure I've horribly butchered the quote, but it was something like that which conveyed a very black and white view of the world wherein basically everyone is a feminist by default or they're one of the bad people.

I'm glad to see that this was not the case with your post.

 

[The Barbarian]

Ah, I remember her from a video of a Trump rally...

 

[PloverWing]

Interesting. If the photo is from a past Trump rally, then the photo in the OP is not of a woman responding to Laurence Fox. In which case, why is she pictured in the OP? I did notice that we do not hear her speak in the video.

 

[The Barbarian]

Whether or not she's a Trump supporter, is unclear. She has the look, though. Triggered.

 

[solid_core]

From when is anger and hatred called "awakening"? From the time of communist revolution in Russia?

 

[KingdomInTheCulture]

Interesting. If the photo is from a past Trump rally, then the photo in the OP is not of a woman responding to Laurence Fox. In which case, why is she pictured in the OP? I did notice that we do not hear her speak in the video.

The video is about Laurence Fox then about dating woke people in general. The girl in the thumbnail is simply a stereotypical woke woman example.

 

[KingdomInTheCulture]

From when is anger and hatred called "awakening"? From the time of communist revolution in Russia?

It doesnt make sense because you aren't woke....

 

[dzheremi]

Interesting. If the photo is from a past Trump rally, then the photo in the OP is not of a woman responding to Laurence Fox. In which case, why is she pictured in the OP? I did notice that we do not hear her speak in the video.

Here's some more info on the source of the photo as a meme, if you're interested:

Triggered Feminist | Know Your Meme