Would the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple stabilize the climate???

[smaneck]

There are other articles on this general topic than this one and many of them go into specifics on how the Waqf
seems to be attempting to get rid of evidence from the time of King Solomon!

If you can find one from a credible source (i.e. one without any specific religious bias) feel free to post it.

No Crusaders were around at that time!

The evidence I've seen all point to Crusader sites being destroyed, not evidence of the First Temple.

 

[tickingclocker]

....So this seems to imply that if, for example the nation of Jordan would allow Jews, Noahides and Messianic believers to travel to Jerusalem freely, there is a promise they would be given rain in due season which could soon result in much of their desert areas being turned green.

Which would massively alter their culture, foods, transportation systems, cities, etc. I don't think they would be ready for it all.

 

[smaneck]

Thousands were killed when the Aqsa was built in the 8th century... unfortunately you were not around then to voice those concerns for non-aggression. They might have listened to you.

Where did you get the idea that thousands were killed when the Aqsa mosque was built? Are you referring to the Arab conquest of Jerusalem? That happened forty years before this.

In any case, the Byzantines did not allow Jews to live in Jerusalem whereas Muslims did. When the Crusaders conquered Jerusalem, after slaughtering all the Muslims, they gathered the Jews into the synagogue and burned it to the ground.

 

[tickingclocker]

Seems like some have already started. Maybe the greening of the desert will happen farmer by farmer? Not every miracle has a bang to it.

 

[smaneck]

Seems like some have already started. Maybe the greening of the desert will happen farmer by farmer? Not every miracle has a bang to it.

In the days of the Persian Empire and afterwards an irrigation system was developed called the Qanat system. It was best suited to Iran's arid climate along with its high mountains but it was used effectively in Israel as well and it makes the area less dependent on rainfall. What it does is take water from snowfall on the mountains into an underground irrigation system, bringing it back up as needed. It is labor intensive, and therefore expensive but it is quite ecological in that it would take 10,000 years for the ground water to be negatively effected. A well, in comparison will lower the ground water in 50 years.

The Baha'i Terrace Gardens in Haifa use a drip irrigation system which constantly brings water up the mountain and reuses it. This is the result:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraces_(Bahá'í)

 

[tickingclocker]

In the days of the Persian Empire and afterwards an irrigation system was developed called the Qanat system. It was best suited to Iran's arid climate along with its high mountains but it was used effectively in Israel as well and it makes the area less dependent on rainfall. What it does is take water from snowfall on the mountains into an underground irrigation system, bringing it back up as needed. It is labor intensive, and therefore expensive but it is quite ecological in that it would take 10,000 years for the ground water to be negatively effected. A well, in comparison will lower the ground water in 50 years.

The Baha'i Terrace Gardens in Haifa use a drip irrigation system which constantly brings water up the mountain and reuses it. This is the result:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraces_(Bahá'í)

Very interesting. However, one has a divinely ordered basis, while the other is strictly man-made. Nature does not mechanically move water up mountains, but down through the natural process of rain. Does it matter? Maybe to prophecy buffs and biblical literalists. Green is still green.

 

[DennisTate]

In the days of the Persian Empire and afterwards an irrigation system was developed called the Qanat system. It was best suited to Iran's arid climate along with its high mountains but it was used effectively in Israel as well and it makes the area less dependent on rainfall. What it does is take water from snowfall on the mountains into an underground irrigation system, bringing it back up as needed. It is labor intensive, and therefore expensive but it is quite ecological in that it would take 10,000 years for the ground water to be negatively effected. A well, in comparison will lower the ground water in 50 years.

The Baha'i Terrace Gardens in Haifa use a drip irrigation system which constantly brings water up the mountain and reuses it. This is the result:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraces_(Bahá'í)

Fascinating!!!!!!

Isn't it amazing what was accomplished millennia in the past.

 

[DennisTate]

Seems like some have already started. Maybe the greening of the desert will happen farmer by farmer? Not every miracle has a bang to it.

Exactly!

The success that Permaculture has already had is so encouraging!

 

[smaneck]

Fascinating!!!!!!

Isn't it amazing what was accomplished millennia in the past.

A Qanat system would work very well in the Southwestern part of the US and stop the ground water from continuing to decrease.

 

[DennisTate]

A Qanat system would work very well in the Southwestern part of the US and stop the ground water from continuing to decrease.

I have definitely got to pass this information on to some of my friends who are very interested in this type of thing!

 

[tickingclocker]

A Qanat system would work very well in the Southwestern part of the US and stop the ground water from continuing to decrease.

Unfortunately it won't work in the Midwest, where the more critical Ogallala Aquifer is. Why? Because there are too many mega agribusiness farms there. They would rather depend upon synthetic fertilizers to produce what the earth was never meant to grow. One acre producing 4k bushels of wheat? It cannot sustain that production indefinitely, even with synthetic fertilizers. Eventually Midwestern soil will deplete itself, become dead, and the mega agribusiness will move to other areas of the world in search of more resources to deplete for monetary gain. Then the grasses will gradually reclaim the land, animals will return, and the cycle will begin again. And mega agribusinesses will return and.... You get the gist.

 

[smaneck]

Unfortunately it won't work in the Midwest, where the more critical Ogallala Aquifer is.

All a qanat system does is provide water, not fertilizer. But there is another reason it wouldn't work in the Midwest, it is too flat! Qanats get their water from mountain snow packs. We find those in the Southwest. For instance, right near Tucson we have Mt. Lemon which gets enough snow for skiing. Nevada has the Sierra Nevadas, etc. This situation is almost identical with what we find in Iran and other areas with high deserts. It won't work in the plains.

 

[tickingclocker]

All a qanat system does is provide water, not fertilizer. But there is another reason it wouldn't work in the Midwest, it is too flat! Qanats get their water from mountain snow packs. We find those in the Southwest. For instance, right near Tucson we have Mt. Lemon which gets enough snow for skiing. Nevada has the Sierra Nevadas, etc. This situation is almost identical with what we find in Iran and other areas with high deserts. It won't work in the plains.

If they built swales it would work. But mega agribusinesses will never build swales.

 

[smaneck]

If they built swales it would work. But mega agribusinesses will never build swales.

I think of swales in areas that have too much water, rather than not enough.

 

[tickingclocker]

I think of swales in areas that have too much water, rather than not enough.

Swales create a medium for water to build up. There are still ponds and lakes within the flat Midwest. But why is the largest aquafier in North America... under flat land? Why not in between mountain chains if mountains were necessary for a build up of water?

 

[smaneck]

Hey Dennis,

Here is something on the Desert blooming:

 

[DennisTate]

Swales create a medium for water to build up. There are still ponds and lakes within the flat Midwest. But why is the largest aquafier in North America... under flat land? Why not in between mountain chains if mountains were necessary for a build up of water?

I watched a rather depressing update last week on the Jordanian branch of the
Permaculture Project that showed how the experiment was abandoned
soon after the funding stopped...........

 

[DennisTate]

Seems like some have already started. Maybe the greening of the desert will happen farmer by farmer? Not every miracle has a bang to it.

Hey..... I am pretty sure that this is the film that I watched last week......
Isn't it both amazing as well as kind of depressing how quickly what was
proven possible in the Jordanian Permaculture Project was forgotten?

 

[tickingclocker]

Hey..... I am pretty sure that this is the film that I watched last week......
Isn't it both amazing as well as kind of depressing how quickly what was
proven possible in the Jordanian Permaculture Project was forgotten?

Well, I can't say it would be, having not heard or seen any evidence to the contrary. Project developer Geoff Lawton lives in Australia, and is still traveling back and forth to Jordan from last I heard.

 

[tickingclocker]

Well, I can't say it would be, having not heard or seen any evidence to the contrary. Project developer Geoff Lawton lives in Australia, and is still traveling back and forth to Jordan from last I heard. When I have some time I'll do a search on the answer.