Would the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple stabilize the climate???

[DennisTate]

Um...I don't even quite know what to say here.

Have you heard of the work of Yisrayl Hawkins?

His writings and speeches have had a huge impact on President Obama's half brother Malik.

https://www.facebook.com/yisrayl.hawkinstemplediagrams?fref=ts

Yisrayl Hawkins Temple Diagrams.

 

[DennisTate]

Fascinating!


Obama Family Member Who Supports Hamas Wants To Build Jerusalem’s Third Temple
Obama Family Member who Supports Hamas wants to build Jerusalem's Third Temple - Walid Shoebat

Yisrayl Hawkins is not a man to be dismissed; he is on a mission from God to rebuild the Third Temple in Jerusalem. He has met with several internationally recognized VIP’s like Shimon Peres, President of Israel, and even the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem along with other key figures; presidents and prime ministers from across the globe. This man has enough influence to attract the attention of President Obama’s brother, Malik Obama to partner on a mission in which representatives from 22 different nations assembled at Hawkins’ compound to discuss the implementation of rebuilding the Third Temple in Jerusalem.

 

[DennisTate]

In fact it comes to bother me that a preterist position is relegated to be discussed where Unitarian positions are discussed. Where there is agreement on who Jesus Christ is, even with speaking of him as Yeshua or another known name for him, as the Lord the Son of God, the incarnation of Logos the Word that is with God and is God, who came to show us the way, for reconciliation with God, and died for us atoning for sins for that to be made possible, the discussion with this should be thought to be in agreement with orthodox Christianity. And this discussion here was in the forum where various world religions could be discussed anyway.

And what about the poll with this thread? I don't take part in the forum polls usually, but didn't this poll seem slanted, with the options given for responding? They didn't seem realistic or pertinent to what responses there could be.

My apologies if I did a bad job with the poll questions. I actually have created several other polls related to this topic.


http://www.christianforums.com/t7647317/Should Christians support Jewish control of Temple Mount and rebuilding of Temple?

Yes, I believe that every word in Ezekiel chapter 40 to 48 must be fulfilled. 17 …………..18.48%

No, doing this might speed up the time of the coming of the anti-Messiah! 5 …………….5.43%

Yes, King Cyrus was led by the God of Abraham and he supported this cause. 0…….. 0%

No, I believe that we should all be vegetarians and never kill animals. 6 ………….6.52%

Yes, our nation will be blessed if we bless the Jewish people. 10 ……………………10.87%

No, this could lead to a war and human life is of more value than any temple! 54………………….58.7%

 

[smaneck]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7647317/Should Christians support Jewish control of Temple Mount and rebuilding of Temple?

Your questionnaire ignores the really key question:

Should Christians support the destruction of the Dome of the Rock and the Aqsa Mosque?

That's not a question Cyrus had to deal with.

 

[FredVB]

There is great complexity to the situation and what may come and what would come, that polls can't deal with. There shouldn't be support for destruction of the Dome of the Rock and the Aqsa Mosque. Whatever must be should be left to God. The chapters of Ezekiel 40-48 should have been carried out, even a long time ago when the Temple was being rebuilt before, it just was not observed. It probably won't be with rebuilding it next. So if it isn't, then it needs to be with Christ returning and with the restoration to the world that is then needed. Building the temple according to Ezekiel's vision first might not be done for the very reason that war could come from just starting with it. A temple will be built in Jerusalem anyway according to biblical prophecy, and even with likelihood of it now. Whenever it will be completed, Jews who are not believers in Christ will want to renew slaughter of animals there. But with Christ there he would not have that continue, and it will no longer be needed, with what he accomplished providing for all that come to him. In fact, we should then be vegetarian, no animal has to die for us again, it is not in the perfect design from the perfect will of God, with vision shown of restoration of such, and all animals being used in industry for society is with great toll on the world's environments with huge demands on resources beyond vegetable crops and with greater effect than anything on global warming.

There is blessing promised for those blessing the people of Israel. In any case the "anti-Messiah" would come.

 

[DennisTate]

Your questionnaire ignores the really key question:

Should Christians support the destruction of the Dome of the Rock and the Aqsa Mosque?

That's not a question Cyrus had to deal with.

Good point.

Tuvia Sagiv explains how the restored Temple of Solomon and The Dome of the Rock and Al Aksa Mosque…. can all fit in the Temple described by Ezekiel.


Temples of Mount Moriah

14. Conclusion
"An examination and comparison between the areas and temples built throughout the Roman Empire and among the visible archeological remains in the Moriah Area, and consideration of the written testimonies and drawings lead us to the following conclusions:
The Moriah Area is not the Temple Mount built by Herod
The Moriah Area as we know it today was built by Hadrian
The Al-Aksa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock were built upon the remains of the Roman Temple.
The Temple Mount is hidden and enclosed within the Moriah Area
The Jewish Temple, or at least its remnants, exist between Al-Aksa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock in the area of Al Kas fountain.
The assumption that the Moriah Area is the work of Hadrian and his successors opens before the investigators new horizons for the understanding of Jerusalem and her secrets (56)." (Tuvia Sagiv)

 

[FredVB]

Yet with real fulfillment of Ezekiel's temple, all of chapters 40-48 are to be fulfilled. This isn't happening without the allotment of land to the tribes of Israel as shown in those chapters. There is a river to be flowing from the temple, too. So a temple would be built first, but fulfillment of those chapters from Ezekiel is not likely until Christ returns to reign in this world.

 

[FredVB]

What is portrayed in Isaiah chapter 11 verses 6 through 9 and chapter 65 verse 25 with visions is also referring to that time when Christ returns and reigns in this world. There will be no hurt or harm on all of Yahweh's holy mountain, by extension it is everywhere the reign of Christ applies.

 

[DennisTate]

Yet with real fulfillment of Ezekiel's temple, all of chapters 40-48 are to be fulfilled. This isn't happening without the allotment of land to the tribes of Israel as shown in those chapters. There is a river to be flowing from the temple, too. So a temple would be built first, but fulfillment of those chapters from Ezekiel is not likely until Christ returns to reign in this world.

But…. doesen't Isaiah 66:5,6 indicate that a Jerusalem TEmple is built….. then the bad guy takes over for 3.5 years…….. then Messiah comes…….. then the full fledged Kingdom of Messiah on earth begins?

Isa 66:5
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Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.
A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies."


How can the voice of the LORD….. be heard from the temple……. previous to there being a temple in Jerusalem?

This is why the year 2030 vs 2070 is so important….. did you know there is even a movement for Rabbi Yeshua- Jesus to be taken back into Judaism?


https://www.facebook.com/groups/130190687163226/
The Trial of Yeshua of Nazareth

…. is this group an appropriate place to discuss the possibility of cooperation between Orthodox Jews with Christians and Muslims regarding the possibility of the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third TEmple complex?

Two logical years are in my head as to when this might occur. They are 2030 and 2070. If……… the political……. spiritual….. economic…. situation on earth changes so that the fulfillment of Ezekiel chapter 40 could perhaps occur by the year 2030….. then the connection to the purpose of this group is obvious. Perhaps something significant may have occurred 2000 years before the year 2030?

Muslims have been discussing support for the fulfilment of Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48 for some time now. Is this a group where this topic would fit in? I have exchanged private messages with Mr. Ariel Cohen Alloro on this subject but…… I am curious if this is time to begin to discuss this more openly?

Could there perhaps be one group post related to some aspects of this that all comments could be focused in?

…. one of the possible benefits for the Rabbinic Jewish community in taking a closer look at the ideas of Mr. Ariel Cohen Alloro is……… some Jews might like the idea of a Jerusalem Third TEmple complex being constructed by 2030 as opposed to delaying this event until 2070?

….."Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple may be least expensive way to stabilize climate?"
I am fairly certain that this verse in the Jewish Bible is certainly not advocating that in the era of Moshiach that every body has to go to Jerusalem to observe the Festival of Tabernacles, merely that nations allow their Jews and Noahides to freely travel to and back from Jerusalem in order to observe Tabernacles.

Zechariah 14:17 "And it shall be, [that] whoso will not come up of [all] the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain."

As more of us come to the realization of how dangerous the melting and cracking and sliding that is going on in Greenland and the West Antarctic Ice Sheet really is, we will be more inclined toward supporting the Jewish people in their desire to rebuild their Third Temple.

 

[DennisTate]

One of the possible implications of Isaiah 66:5,6 is that until Christians support the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third TEmple…….. the reign of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus over the earth……. cannot begin???!

2030 or a delay to 2070 for the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third TEmple……… and largely the choice is up to us Gentiles….. because Jewish prophecy states that Gentiles will support the Jews and create the political environment in which they can build their temple……. when the Third TEmple is actually constructed.

 

[DennisTate]

Your questionnaire ignores the really key question:

Should Christians support the destruction of the Dome of the Rock and the Aqsa Mosque?

That's not a question Cyrus had to deal with.

Scholar Tuvia Sagiv has answered this.... in summary.... .there is lots of room for the same sized structure as the TEmple of Solomon without disturbing either the Dome of the Rock or the Aqsa Mosque.

 

[DennisTate]

What is portrayed in Isaiah chapter 11 verses 6 through 9 and chapter 65 verse 25 with visions is also referring to that time when Christ returns and reigns in this world. There will be no hurt or harm on all of Yahweh's holy mountain, by extension it is everywhere the reign of Christ applies.

Exactly..... and the rebuilding of the literal Jerusalem Third Temple should.....set in motion a literal stream of living water... that becomes a massive river..... and we need that ...... whatever exactly it means?!

 

[DennisTate]

Yet with real fulfillment of Ezekiel's temple, all of chapters 40-48 are to be fulfilled. This isn't happening without the allotment of land to the tribes of Israel as shown in those chapters. There is a river to be flowing from the temple, too. So a temple would be built first, but fulfillment of those chapters from Ezekiel is not likely until Christ returns to reign in this world.

But.... Isaiah 45:4,5......... must be talking about a mere human.... .and could not be about Messiah Yeshua - Jesus?!

"For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:" .... surely this is referring to a mere human.... and cannot be only about Messiah Yeshua - Jesus?!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

None of the above?

If the Temple were rebuilt it would be about as theologically and eschatologically relevant [for Christianity] as building a new gas station along I-5.

-CryptoLutheran

Yeah, my sentiments exactly.
It would also make for a great tourist attraction that could possibly bring in millions of tourists dollars to the Israeli economy. Other than that, I see no real significant relevance either eschatologically or theologically.
Besides, our brother the Apostle Paul says we are now a temple of God, which would essentially make us the third temple...IMHO

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

1Co 3:16
have ye not known that ye are a sanctuary/temple of God, and the Spirit of God doth dwell in you?
1Co 6:19
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?


http://www.christianforums.com/thre...t-jews-in-rebuilding-of-third-temple.7647317/
Should Christians support Jews in rebuilding of Third Temple?




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[Extraneous]

Yeah, my sentiments exactly.
It would also make for a great tourist attraction that could possibly bring in millions of tourists dollars to the Israeli economy. Other than that, I see no real significant relevance either eschatologically or theologically.
Besides, our brother the Apostle Paul says we are not a temple of God, which would essentially make us the third temple...IMHO

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

1Co 3:16
have ye not known that ye are a sanctuary/temple of God, and the Spirit of God doth dwell in you?
1Co 6:19
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?


http://www.christianforums.com/thre...t-jews-in-rebuilding-of-third-temple.7647317/
Should Christians support Jews in rebuilding of Third Temple?




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Yes we are the temple. That puts a whole new perspective on things.

 

[Jadis40]

Anything is possible. But I don't see any reason to believe in any of what you mentioned, not without having to turn Scripture upside-down and take much of it completely out of context.

-CryptoLutheran

As I've said other times and again, while some Christians have, both historically and presently, seen a rebuilt temple as an eschatological event; generally speaking a hypothetical third temple is, in Christian theology, irrelevant and insignificant. Having no role eschatologically or otherwise.

The only temple of significance in Christian theology is the tabernacling of God in Jesus, and God's people knit together as one body in the Crucified and Risen Jesus. A third, fourth, or fifth temple in the possible future millennia is of zero consequence.

-CryptoLutheran

This is probably part of why I tend to avoid watching Christian TV stations, especially shows like Jack Van Impe. They're mostly premillennial dispensationalists, which I think makes no sense. I tend to hold to an amillennial view as well, since it makes the most sense. As a side, I personally believe that there will never be a third temple, much less a fourth or 5th. If that idea was so important, then why is it never mentioned by Peter, who was one of the Twelve, and later on Paul?

The Temple standing when Jesus was here was destroyed, just as He said it would be, in 70 AD. To sweep that under the rug and say it's not significant at all and to look for some yet-to-come fulfillment is to completely miss the point of the Olivet Discourse. The end of that age (Temple sacrifices and the Levitical Priesthood) was winding down. Even more telling is the veil in the Temple being torn in two.


I think books like the Left Behind series is just bad eschatology, and I believe the Third Temple, the one not built by human hands, is the Church, and Jewish believers who have come to know Jesus as Messiah.

 

[Extraneous]

This is probably part of why I tend to avoid watching Christian TV stations, especially shows like Jack Van Impe. They're mostly premillennial dispensationalists, which I think makes no sense. I tend to hold to an amillennial view as well, since it makes the most sense. As a side, I personally believe that there will never be a third temple, much less a fourth or 5th. If that idea was so important, then why is it never mentioned by Peter, who was one of the Twelve, and later on Paul?

The Temple standing when Jesus was here was destroyed, just as it said it would be, in 70 AD. To sweep that under the rug and say it's not significant at all and to look for some yet-to-come fulfillment is to completely miss the point of the Olivet Discourse. The end of that age (Temple sacrifices and the Levitical Priesthood) was winding down. Even more telling is the veil in the Temple being torn in two.


I think books like the Left Behind series is just bad eschatology, and I believe the Third Temple, the one not built by human hands, is the Church, and Jewish believers who have come to know Jesus as Messiah.

Wouldnt the Jewish believers be that Church as well? Also, that understanding of the temple gets more complicated when you consider the individual person as the temple.

 

[Extraneous]

Matter of fact, the Jewish believers were the first Church, we gentiles were grafted into it. We need to remember that because paul made a point to tell us to remember it. Romans 11:18-21

 

[DennisTate]

No... That's the preterist theory... They think everything is fullfilled

I'm a futurist... There is a future fulfillment...Antiochus was a type of the coming final antichrist

Antiochus may have put a statue of Jupiter or Zeus but revelation teaches the idol is an image of himself... So Antiochus cannot be a fulfillment of the abomination of desolation ... The idol resembles the coming final antichrist who thinks he is god...his idol is a golem built by a false Elijah

This is my view as well, futurist!

Multiple Ezekiel 37 events though adds a pretty amazing set of possibilities to the whole picture though???!

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...-resurrection-lead-to-new-time-lines.7935696/

Can the Ezekiel 37 resurrection lead to new time lines?

 

[DennisTate]

Matter of fact, the Jewish believers were the first Church, we gentiles were grafted into it. We need to remember that because paul made a point to tell us to remember it. Romans 11:18-21

In Sid Roth's book, The Incomplete Church, an estimate is given that there may have been 400,000 Messianic Jewish believers living in the province of Judaea at the time of the Bar Kochba Revolt.

Tsvi Misinai and The Engagement Movement present evidence that these may be largely the ancestors of the Palestinian people.