Would the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple stabilize the climate???

[DennisTate]

Luther once wrote: "If it should happen that the diaspora comes to an end and the Jews are led back to Jerusalem, then we Christians will follow on their heels and ourselves 'become Jews.'"

Are you ready Via Crucis?

Luther was onto something important……


Zechariah 8:23
Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you."

 

[ContraMundum]

Luther once wrote: "If it should happen that the diaspora comes to an end and the Jews are led back to Jerusalem, then we Christians will follow on their heels and ourselves 'become Jews.'"

Are you ready Via Crucis?

Traditionally many Lutherans denied any prophetic interpretation of scripture that taught the return of the Jews to Jerusalem. This is especially true of the Confessional Lutherans in the USA. Of course that conclusion has been proven false. But they never said they were infallible.

 

[ContraMundum]

Zechariah 8:23
Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you."

You don't think that happened in Apostolic times???

 

[DennisTate]

You don't think that happened in Apostolic times???

Yes.... this did happen already.... but I believe in an even larger fulfillment in our time period.

 

[smaneck]

Traditionally many Lutherans denied any prophetic interpretation of scripture that taught the return of the Jews to Jerusalem.

That is indeed what Luther was arguing.

 

[Zoness]

Full or Partial Preterism sound to me like that most logical positions of Christian eschatology.

 

[smaneck]

Full or Partial Preterism sound to me like that most logical positions of Christian eschatology.

I agree but at the same time I believe that prophecies can be fulfilled more than once. In many ways, they describe what happens again and again.

 

[DennisTate]

I agree but at the same time I believe that prophecies can be fulfilled more than once. In many ways, they describe what happens again and again.

A truly insightful comment smaneck!

Yes....... no matter how many times we may decide to read an inspired writing like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel or the Book of John..... we will always notice something new that we had not understood previously!

 

[smaneck]

Yes....... no matter how many times we may decide to read an inspired writing like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel or the Book of John..... we will always notice something new that we had not understood previously!

LOL. However true that might be, it is not exactly what I had in mind. I mean passages like Isaiah 9:6-7 (unto us a child is born . . . ) In the context in which it was revealed it referred to a child which had just then been born in King Hezekiah's household. To me that doesn't preclude it from applying to Jesus further down the road, or Baha'u'llah for that matter.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Full or Partial Preterism sound to me like that most logical positions of Christian eschatology.

Not according to CF, which views full preterism as "unorthodox"., tho still Christian.

[Full preterism can only be discussed on the Unorthodox sub board of CF.]

http://www.christianforums.com/f14/
Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum The Endtimes & Prophecy Forum for the discussion of future events. No full preterist views. Partial preterists welcomed.

http://www.christianforums.com/f130/
Unorthodox Doctrinal Discussion orthodox and unorthodox Christians only - A forum to discuss/debate theological doctrines not accepted by mainstream evangelical Christianity (eg. full preterism, unitarianism).

http://www.christianforums.com/t2367396/
Full Preterism-Where is the scriptural evidence?

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm
The Destruction Of JERUSALEM
An Absolute and Irresistible
PROOF OF THE DIVINE ORIGIN OF
CHRISTIANITY:


The Temple being torn down in 70 AD was the biggest "secular" evidence of Jesus' Parousia - the STONES WERE TORN DOWN NOT ONE STANDING ON ANOTHER - the biggest prophecy fulfillment of Jesus and as SPECIFIC AS ONE COULD GET!! Remember He made that prediction/prophecy in Olivet Discourse -- all of which was about THE SIGN OF HIS COMING/the destruction of the Temple as He predicted/ and the end of the age

It was such a big event - HOW BIG WAS IT?????!!!!!???

SO BIG that entire eschatologies have been cooked up trying to explain that something bigger might be coming in the future

but face it

not comin

already came

Roman soldiers pryed Temple stones apart with crow-bars to get at the MELTED GOLD in the rocks

talk about ELEMENTS melting with fervent heat! Yeah, Baby!

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[Zoness]

Not according to CF, which views full preterism as "unorthodox"., tho still Christian.

[Full preterism can only be discussed on the Unorthodox sub board of CF.]

http://www.christianforums.com/f14/
Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum The Endtimes & Prophecy Forum for the discussion of future events. No full preterist views. Partial preterists welcomed.

http://www.christianforums.com/f130/
Unorthodox Doctrinal Discussion orthodox and unorthodox Christians only - A forum to discuss/debate theological doctrines not accepted by mainstream evangelical Christianity (eg. full preterism, unitarianism).

http://www.christianforums.com/t2367396/
Full Preterism-Where is the scriptural evidence?


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I stand corrected, I didn't realize full preterism was held with such disdain. This probably explains why many on CF run around with their heads cut off exclaiming "harlot of Babylon" and "mark of the beast" when a new leader is elected or a new technology becomes mainstream. It sounds like the more near term apocalyptic views are the ones accepted as orthodox on CF.

Still, Preterism of any form makes more sense to me than any of the nonsense I hear from street corner preachers about the world coming to an end due to Obama or whatever.

 

[ContraMundum]

Still, Preterism of any form makes more sense to me than any of the nonsense I hear from street corner preachers about the world coming to an end due to Obama or whatever.

Me too.

 

[smaneck]

Not according to CF, which views full preterism as "unorthodox"., tho still Christian.

[Full preterism can only be discussed on the Unorthodox sub board of CF.]

Seriously? Is higher criticism relegated to the unorthodox sub-board as well?

 

[DennisTate]

Seriously? Is higher criticism relegated to the unorthodox sub-board as well?

I personally feel more free to discuss near death experience accounts there.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Not according to CF, which views full preterism as "unorthodox"., tho still Christian.

[Full preterism can only be discussed on the Unorthodox sub board of CF.]

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I stand corrected, I didn't realize full preterism was held with such disdain.
This probably explains why many on CF run around with their heads cut off exclaiming "harlot of Babylon" and "mark of the beast" when a new leader is elected or a new technology becomes mainstream. It sounds like the more near term apocalyptic views are the ones accepted as orthodox on CF.

Still, Preterism of any form makes more sense to me than any of the nonsense I hear from street corner preachers about the world coming to an end due to Obama or whatever.

It is held in such disdain on CF, a "Safe House" had to be created.
However, that doesn't mean opposing viewpoints cannot post in it.
The Jews and Muslims would be Preterists if they read the Christian NT....IMHO.....

http://www.christianforums.com/f130/

http://www.christianforums.com/t7784643/

Full Preterist Safe House

I am interested in studying Full Preterism

which is not allowed in GT/End Times

no partials - no Mormons - no Muslims - no other eschatology

This is the place but it is not a safe house that can preclude other views. Just saying.

Yall are correct that it cannot be a "safe house" for an unorthodox view

It is a correct forum for discussing but cannot preclude those opposing it

So I will shelve my idea of "no other ideas" and just regroup.

Other eschatologies have safe houses in GT end times - but the UT area is different

so I will keep reading about Full Preterism but drop other expectations

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[FredVB]

I am not at all a preterist, but I agree that discussion of that is not relevant to theology, understanding the little that we can about Yahweh God, or the gospel of salvation for us. Discussion of it won't have to do with essentials in orthodoxy.

Yet I can say there is basis to say prophecies being discussed are such that will yet be fulfilled in a time yet coming, just as that there is yet another temple that is yet to be built in Jerusalem. John was told, "Come up here, and I will show you things that must take place after this." This is in Revelation 4:1, I don't think this was happening before the temple was destroyed, in 70 AD, do you? Revelation 11:1-2 speak then of the temple which will yet be.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by smaneck

Seriously? Is higher criticism relegated to the unorthodox sub-board as well?
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In this case, yes.

I personally feel more free to discuss near death experience accounts there.

That board really does not get a lot of traffic such as the orthodox Theology boards and boards where both Christians and non-Christians can debate.

FWIW, I believe if the Jews did believe in Jesus and the NT, they would be Preterists



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[FredVB]

Preterists don't have a claim to the Truth to the exclusion of others. But it the position of those holding it is within the realm of what any Christians should be able to discuss. There is still difficulty with prophecy in the Bible, with wide ranges of interpretation.

What the position is that is most general can be asked of believing Jews, it can be asked where they communicate on a Messianic Judaism forum among forums here. I expect there would be the same variations to the same degree as there are among any large number of believers, without selecting for those with a certain position on that.

 

[FredVB]

In fact it comes to bother me that a preterist position is relegated to be discussed where Unitarian positions are discussed. Where there is agreement on who Jesus Christ is, even with speaking of him as Yeshua or another known name for him, as the Lord the Son of God, the incarnation of Logos the Word that is with God and is God, who came to show us the way, for reconciliation with God, and died for us atoning for sins for that to be made possible, the discussion with this should be thought to be in agreement with orthodox Christianity. And this discussion here was in the forum where various world religions could be discussed anyway.

And what about the poll with this thread? I don't take part in the forum polls usually, but didn't this poll seem slanted, with the options given for responding? They didn't seem realistic or pertinent to what responses there could be.

 

[DennisTate]

I am not at all a preterist, but I agree that discussion of that is not relevant to theology, understanding the little that we can about Yahweh God, or the gospel of salvation for us. Discussion of it won't have to do with essentials in orthodoxy.

Yet I can say there is basis to say prophecies being discussed are such that will yet be fulfilled in a time yet coming, just as that there is yet another temple that is yet to be built in Jerusalem. John was told, "Come up here, and I will show you things that must take place after this." This is in Revelation 4:1, I don't think this was happening before the temple was destroyed, in 70 AD, do you? Revelation 11:1-2 speak then of the temple which will yet be.

A truly excellent point!!!!!!!!!!!

I am truly thankful that you brought this verse to my attention!!!!