Would the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple stabilize the climate???

[mzungu]

And again, the problem boils down to the sheer insanity of the economic system we live in: things are designed to break, because a company can only be successful if it keeps selling more products each year - and that can only happen when people need new stuff all the time.

They've already brought people to the point where they discard perfectly functional items in order to buy new ones (just look at how many operational phones are trashed each year, and then consider the rare elements that go into building such electronic devices, etc.), but planned obsolescence is still a major business factor.

We, as a species, embrace a culture of extinction.

Indeed! This documentary says it all in detail. It is not a conspiracy documentary; it is a historical account of planned obsolescence by the manufacturing industry. Please watch:

The Light Bulb Conspiracy - Watch Free Documentary Online

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfzQzGNYaiU

 

[DennisTate]

I vehemently disagree with this paragraph: you don't need to believe in "intelligent design" in order to see everything I've pointed out above. In fact, you would not even need to be a theist. After all, I am not a theist in any traditional sense of the term, plus I consider "Intelligent Design" to be an unfortunate pseudo-science. If people need to anthropomorphize (the forces of) nature or the cosmic principles that govern it all, that's perfectly okay by me - as long as they do not try to sell these beliefs as science: it's not, it never can be, and it won't help at all.

I've seen similar arguments on all sides of this debate, and on vastly different topics. My 98-year-old great-aunt asserted that what's wrong with this planet was that people did not believe in reincarnation like she did: "if they knew they were coming back, and would bear the burden of everything they've done in their previous incarnations, they'd act differently". Likewise, I've seen atheists argue that religion was responsible for our willingness to perpetuate ecologically disastrous practices: "It's those Christians who believe that this life is just a prelude to a heavenly afterlife, along with the belief that the world's going to end anytime soon, anyway. To them, the continued integrity of the biosphere is a moot point to begin with. God will sort things out."

At first glance, those atheists would even seem to have a point: after all, the USA are perhaps THE most overwhelmingly religious nations among the first-world countries of this world - yet simultaneously the worst offenders in terms of wasteful lifestyles, resource consumption and pollution.

But I don't think this is really about theism vs. non-theism. After all, the Eastern Bloc devastated the environment even more profoundly than the west during the cold war, and atheist China is now choking with pollution and environmental degradation.

No, this problem runs much deeper than that, and it's got something to do with how our species has lived for thousands of years: see, mankind's mentality during the agrarian age was one of constant struggle AGAINST nature, right down to the most existential level. You needed to produce as many children as humanly possible, not only because it would improve your lot by providing you with a huge network of relations, but because not even half of them would survive to adulthood, statistically speaking. Clearing out forests, draining swamps, exterminating large predators, or otherwise driving back nature was considered a GOOD thing, and having so many resources that you could waste them on a sumptuous lifestyle was a lofty goal to aspire to, signifying status and wealth.
That mentality is still with us, deeply ingrained in virtually every culture. You can see it at work in China right now: due to industrialization (and factory farming), people can suddenly afford to eat meat seven days a week, three times a day - and to do so is a sign of prosperity, a status symbol. China is virtually EXPLODING with all sorts of diseases resulting from such dietary habits (not to mention with the side-effects of factory farming; contaminated ground water, hormones, antibiotics-resistant germs, etc.).

A tiny minority within those countries that have been exposed to (post-)industrial abundance are gradually coming to their senses: population growth is decreasing, some people reduce their meat intake to healthier levels or skip it altogether, people share cars, use public transport or ride a bike/take a walk, etc.; but judging by what's happening out there, it's WAY too little, and WAY too slow.

We've become so used to thinking of our species at something that's not only apart from, but in active opposition to "Nature", that we can barely adjust to the idea that we're basically in the middle of an elaborate, drawn out accidental suicide.

Well said Jane...but... I am convinced that a more theistic version of evolutionary theory will soon play a significant role in breaking women out of near slavery conditions in much of the developing world.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7697233/

I have nominated Dr. Chaim Tejman for the one million dollar origin of life prize.

Wave Theory and Gender: Why Sex

"Pulling and gravitation, which resemble basic feminine traits, are the dominant properties of the magnetic loop. Consequently, magnetic loops have a capacity for storing energy and act to maintain the structural integrity of the entire wave formation. The electronic/energetic loop consists of expanding properties that disperse energetic matter that “disappears” into space. This is synonymous with masculine characteristics." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)
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[mzungu]

Well said Jane...but... I am convinced that a more theistic version of evolutionary theory will soon play a significant role in breaking women out of near slavery conditions in much of the developing world.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7697233/

I have nominated Dr. Chaim Tejman for the one million dollar origin of life prize.

Wave Theory and Gender: Why Sex

"Pulling and gravitation, which resemble basic feminine traits, are the dominant properties of the magnetic loop. Consequently, magnetic loops have a capacity for storing energy and act to maintain the structural integrity of the entire wave formation. The electronic/energetic loop consists of expanding properties that disperse energetic matter that “disappears” into space. This is synonymous with masculine characteristics." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)
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Theistic Evolution means that it cannot fall under the definition of a scientific theory since science does not allow for the supernatural nor the un-falsifiable. Science only deals with the physical world and the empirical. These rules are there so to keep at bay pseudo science and superstition from infiltrating its ranks.

This does not mean that one is not free to believe in a theistic evolution or whatever one fancies.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

"Pulling and gravitation, which resemble basic feminine traits, are the dominant properties of the magnetic loop. Consequently, magnetic loops have a capacity for storing energy and act to maintain the structural integrity of the entire wave formation. The electronic/energetic loop consists of expanding properties that disperse energetic matter that “disappears” into space. This is synonymous with masculine characteristics." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)
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*sigh*

And in one single paragraph, you have touched upon one of my ultimate pet peeves: sexist gender roles that try to construct a fundamental (in this case, even COSMIC) difference between the biological sexes. Gender conceptions such as these have done more to subjugate women (and force men into narrowly defined concepts of "masculinity") than almost anything else.

To me, saying such things sounds almost exactly like claiming that Africans are "more emotional" by nature, whereas Caucasians are characterized by their logical faculties.

Men and women are not different species. What biological differences there are cannot account for the gender stereotypes that are still so dominant in most cultures. These are constructs that are still deeply imbedded within our collective subconscious, a regrettable remnant of the agrarian age and its tendency to treat women like cattle.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Theistic Evolution means that it cannot fall under the definition of a scientific theory since science does not allow for the supernatural nor the un-falsifiable. Science only deals with the physical world and the empirical. These rules are there so to keep at bay pseudo science and superstition from infiltrating its ranks.

This does not mean that one is not free to believe in a theistic evolution or whatever one fancies.

Basically, this.
Spirituality is valid, and can have a very positive influence on people.
But it can never, ever be science.

 

[mzungu]

*sigh*

And in one single paragraph, you have touched upon one of my ultimate pet peeves: sexist gender roles that try to construct a fundamental (in this case, even COSMIC) difference between the biological sexes. Gender conceptions such as these have done more to subjugate women (and force men into narrowly defined concepts of "masculinity") than almost anything else.

To me, saying such things sounds almost exactly like claiming that Africans are "more emotional" by nature, whereas Caucasians are characterized by their logical faculties.

Men and women are not different species. What biological differences there are cannot account for the gender stereotypes that are still so dominant in most cultures. These are constructs that are still deeply imbedded within our collective subconscious, a regrettable remnant of the agrarian age and its tendency to treat women like cattle.

Jane, although I will agree with you, I however feel that you are over simplifying and as a result are falling under the same stereotyping that you so much loathe.

Humans are animals and belong to the animal kingdom. Both males and females have physical properties that differentiate each sex. Both have hormonal differences that affect the general psyche of each gender. Yes there are exceptions but I am referring only to the majority of the species.

Such differences in no way mean one is inferior or superior to the other. Also it does not mean that one cannot indulge in fields favoured by the other sex.

Male animals are generally more aggressive due to testosterone and quick to respond while female animals are more cautious. The reasons being: Males are basically redundant and their initial natural objective was to pass their genes, protect the female carrying their gene. If a few males die while protecting the group then it is no big loss. While the death of a female is a big loss. (this is why hunters do not hunt the female of the species). Only females can gestate and it only takes one male to pass his genes to the rest of the females.

We may have progressed technologically but the hormones and genes have remained the same.

This unisex stereotyping is just as bad as the age old stereotyping that considers the male to be above the female.

Females are females and males are males. There is no more to tit than that. We have our differences and it is just these differences that allow us to enjoy each others traits.

My niece is a lesbian and We all love her very much. Sadly she hates men with the exception of her family. This is the wrong way to see life. There are bad men and there are bad women.

The emancipation of women came after a struggle and it should not end until under the law all men and all women are equal under the law; and even then we should not rest our laurels.

Please don't get so easily upset when you encounter such stereotyping. Much of it is based on ignorance. It is up to us to enlighten as many people as possible that what is important between the sexes is mutual respect! We need to be more civil towards each other. Civility does not mean weakness by the way.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Females are females and males are males. There is no more to tit than that. We have our differences and it is just these differences that allow us to enjoy each others traits.

Now THAT is a beautiful Freudian slip!

I'm not denying that there are biological differences between the sexes -to do so would be perfectly nonsensical.
What I DO deny, however, is that the gender-constructs we've erected on top of that are "natural", and needn't/mustn't be challenged.
I also reject biologisms, i.e. trying to justify the status quo by pointing to biology. After all, even rape in times of war is a perfectly natural occurrence directly tied to evolutionary mechanics, and so is the mimicry of murderous sociopaths emulating the social behaviour of others to blend in.

Nature tells us about what IS, not what Ought to be.

 

[mzungu]

Now THAT is a beautiful Freudian slip!

I'm not denying that there are biological differences between the sexes -to do so would be perfectly nonsensical.
What I DO deny, however, is that the gender-constructs we've erected on top of that are "natural", and needn't/mustn't be challenged.
I also reject biologisms, i.e. trying to justify the status quo by pointing to biology. After all, even rape in times of war is a perfectly natural occurrence directly tied to evolutionary mechanics, and so is the mimicry of murderous sociopaths emulating the social behaviour of others to blend in.

Nature tells us about what IS, not what Ought to be.

Who is to say what ought to be?

Medically speaking it would be foolish to consider that hormones do not play a role in gender psychological traits. Males do act differently to females and this is a fact. Hormones play a big part. Unless of course you would like society to artificially uni-sex everyone! Don't get me wrong. No gender is superior to nor inferior to the other. We just are different.

By the way did you know that the female brain uses less calories to solve problems than the male brain? This is called evolution. When males relied solely on brute strength to solve problem they in fact did not pressure their brains to become more efficient. Women on the other hand, due to their decreased muscular physique had to rely on their brains to solve problems. Exercise your brain and it becomes more efficient.

On a lighter note; testosterone allows you to act first and think later. That is why the males would go charging forth towards the enemy disregarding their well being!

 

[smaneck]

...a HOLY site. Otherwise why would the Muslims built on it? They know it was holy, so they built on it...thus desecrating the site for the original Abrahamic religion.

Yes, they built on it because it was a Holy site, but have you ever been inside Dome of the Rock? It is not like you can climb on the rock itself. The Dome surrounds and protects it. Now what is written on the outside and inside of the walls of the Dome would probably classify as the world's most impressive propaganda poster. It has Qur'anic phrases like "Abraham was neither Jew or Christian but he was a righteous Muslim" or "God does not begat nor is He begotten, He hath only to say of thing "Be" and it is."

...not what I heard. I've got relatives that can show you where the Pal's are destroying any sign of the Beit HaMikdash.

I thought Beit Hamikdash referred to the First Temple? In any case, as someone who has been up on the Temple Mound, I can tell you that with my own eyes I saw the damage been done to the al-Aqsa mosque by virtue of the excavations been done nearby. Of course, this was only a few years after the Aqsa mosque had been fire-bombed.

 

[Supreme]

Yes, they built on it because it was a Holy site, but have you ever been inside Dome of the Rock? It is not like you can climb on the rock itself. The Dome surrounds and protects it. Now what is written on the outside and inside of the walls of the Dome would probably classify as the world's most impressive propaganda poster. It has Qur'anic phrases like "Abraham was neither Jew or Christian but he was a righteous Muslim" or "God does not begat nor is He begotten, He hath only to say of thing "Be" and it is."



I thought Beit Hamikdash referred to the First Temple? In any case, as someone who has been up on the Temple Mound, I can tell you that with my own eyes I saw the damage been done to the al-Aqsa mosque by virtue of the excavations been done nearby. Of course, this was only a few years after the Aqsa mosque had been fire-bombed.

Hehe, I'd read about the Quranic verses chosen to be written on the Dome of the Rock. No coincidence that those specific verses were chosen and not something relating to, say, the story of Moses, for example.

 

[DennisTate]

Hehe, I'd read about the Quranic verses chosen to be written on the Dome of the Rock. No coincidence that those specific verses were chosen and not something relating to, say, the story of Moses, for example.

Yisrael Hawkins believes the Third Temple and the Dome of the Rock can be side by side.

"The Third Temple belongs right beside the Dome of the Rock Mosque.

In his many years of study, Yisrayl Hawkins discovered that in the ancient texts of the Book of Yechetzqyah there was written the complete dimensions of a Temple - a Temple that has NEVER been built! These ancient writings show a peaceful solution for building the third Temple. It is important to realize that we, the people of this generation, can bring peace to Jerusalem and the world. The words found in this ancient Hebraic text outline specific measurements for a Temple. These measurements have NEVER been used before in the manner in which Yechetzqyah gave them. The first Temple was built under Solomon; the second Temple was rebuilt under Zerubbabel, which was later refurbished by Herod. These measurements were NOT used by Ezra, Nehemiah, or Zerubbabel when they returned to rebuild the Temple after the Babylonian Captivity, nor were they used by Herod when he refurbished the Temple. These measurements were given to us, to be used to build the Temple NOW!
The building of the Temple is a peaceful solution to the problems now existing between the Jews and the Arabs.

In the 1980s and 1990s, Mr. Hawkins traveled to Israel with three design engineers to study the design and dimensions of the Temple Mount along with the designs and measurements that the Prophet Yechetzqyah gave in his writings. He discovered that it was a PERFECT FIT!! Even more amazing was the fact that Yechetzqyah also mentioned another "building" that was sitting atop the Temple Mount.
Yes, not only did he see a future Temple, but he also saw another building BESIDE the Temple. The building that he saw was none other than the Dome of the Rock Mosque, which is sitting on the Temple Mount at this time. This Mosque is to remain in its same location, with a dividing wall separating it from the rebuilt Temple - a peaceful solution. There is a viable plan whereby both faiths, Muslim and Jewish, can worship side by side in privacy. Notice, there is a PRIVACY wall to separate the Temple from the Mosque, written in the ancient hebraic text of Yechetzqyah:
Section 40:5 - "And behold, there was an adjoining separation: dividing structure, around a Temple..."

Neither Arabs or the Jews need to be harmed. We do not need to fight over the Temple Mount. We can and should build the Temple on the vacant land where the Temple stood before, and we should build a dividing wall to separate the Arab worshipers from the Jewish worshipers.
It's that simple!" (YisraylHawking.com)

.yisrayl-hawkins.com/SubPages/PeacefulSolution.html

 

[DennisTate]

President Obama's brother courageously supports his proposal!

"Obama’s Brother in Support of Third Temple Built in Jerusalem
…..“I’m at that stage now where I’m trying to do something and make a contribution to mankind,” Malik Obama said, referring to Yisrayl Hawkins’ Third Temple proposal. “I feel a lot better with myself today, and I welcome and embrace the principles and the concept I am hearing today.” In the speech, Malik addressed the apparent contradiction between his Muslim faith and the goal of rebuilding the Third Temple adjacent to the Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount. “It’s easy for me to get with the program because I’m a Muslim, you know, a practicing Muslim, and all the principles that are within the program [of building the Third Temple] are within my beliefs,” Malik said. “So, it’s easy for me to step right in and be part of the program."

endtimeheadlines.org/temple-mount/obamas-brother-in-support-of-third-temple-built-in-jerusalem/

 

[smaneck]

Yisrael Hawkins believes the Third Temple and the Dome of the Rock can be side by side.

You realize that Hawkins also predicted the following in 1999:

"Four fifths of the world's population is going to be wiped out between now and about the middle of the year 2002. Mark it on your calendar. Four fifths of the world's population."
House of Yahweh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[DennisTate]

You realize that Hawkins also predicted the following in 1999:

"Four fifths of the world's population is going to be wiped out between now and about the middle of the year 2002. Mark it on your calendar. Four fifths of the world's population."
House of Yahweh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thank you for letting me know this smaneck!

I don't think I had heard of him until reading this article about the Temple of Ezekiel.

 

[FredVB]

The temple will be rebuilt. I don't know at all when. Prophecies yet to be fulfilled are with it being in place. Hundreds of prophecies have been fulfilled, so I can be sure. In Revelation 11 the city of Jerusalem is given over to gentiles for 42 months, while the temple is there. This is the time two witnesses are testifying against the world, all of whom will hate them. It is from the covenant of the beast, known in the Bible as the antichrist, and the nation of Israel, that there will be this temple, and there will be agreement with the rest of the world in Israel giving up Jerusalem to foreign control, maybe that being international, for that. It is contrary to Yahweh God.

 

[smaneck]

The temple will be rebuilt. I don't know at all when. Prophecies yet to be fulfilled are with it being in place. Hundreds of prophecies have been fulfilled, so I can be sure. In Revelation 11 the city of Jerusalem is given over to gentiles for 42 months, while the temple is there.

Or maybe it has another meaning:

Bahá'í Reference Library - Some Answered Questions, Pages 45-61

 

[BruceDLimber]

In Revelation 11 the city of Jerusalem is given over to gentiles for 42 months, while the temple is there.

And Riggs' The Apocalypse explains both the 42 months and the beast:
You can find it in the "Books" section here:

http://www.bahai-library.org

Peace,

Bruce

 

[ViaCrucis]

As I've said other times and again, while some Christians have, both historically and presently, seen a rebuilt temple as an eschatological event; generally speaking a hypothetical third temple is, in Christian theology, irrelevant and insignificant. Having no role eschatologically or otherwise.

The only temple of significance in Christian theology is the tabernacling of God in Jesus, and God's people knit together as one body in the Crucified and Risen Jesus. A third, fourth, or fifth temple in the possible future millennia is of zero consequence.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ContraMundum]

As I've said other times and again, while some Christians have, both historically and presently, seen a rebuilt temple as an eschatological event; generally speaking a hypothetical third temple is, in Christian theology, irrelevant and insignificant. Having no role eschatologically or otherwise.

The only temple of significance in Christian theology is the tabernacling of God in Jesus, and God's people knit together as one body in the Crucified and Risen Jesus. A third, fourth, or fifth temple in the possible future millennia is of zero consequence.

-CryptoLutheran

Perfect explanation of the traditional position.

 

[smaneck]

Perfect explanation of the traditional position.

Luther once wrote: "If it should happen that the diaspora comes to an end and the Jews are led back to Jerusalem, then we Christians will follow on their heels and ourselves 'become Jews.'"

Are you ready Via Crucis?