Worship is the Core Issue as we see in Revelation

[oikonomia]

I find it amazing how many people brush aside the very Words of God. Like we have authority over Him, or that we would know better than He, what is His holy day.

Are you saying Tuesday is not holy?
You are fueled by pushing believers to be "anti-7th day."

I refuse to be pushed in that catagory.

God never deemed any other day holy except the Sabbath. God never blessed or sanctified any other day except the Sabbath. Once God blesses something man cannot reverse so one would need a thus saith the Lord and our words are not equal to God's.

Why didn't the the Creator tell the four living creature to rest on the 7th day?

And the four living creatures, . . . they have no rest day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God the Almighty, who was and who is and who is coming. (Rev. 4:8)

There is nothing in the New Covenant where God changed His mind about His Sabbath day, that is a commandment.

How many of the twenty seven New Testament books stress a command to worship on the 7th day?

None of these verses you quoted changes anything but I would like to note the teaching of Jesus and what He considers false worship (worshipping in vain) as we are to worship Him in Truth and all of His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151

The Lord's reference to worship there is tied to His water of life (the Spirit) springing up from within unto eternal life.
This alone could quench the weary woman's thirst. And this was for her to worship the Father in spirit and truthfulness.

You get fueled by forcing Christians to be against this worship on Saturday.
I am not against Saturday worship.
I am for worshipping the Father all the time in spirit and in truthfulness.

But in your next post, instead of referring so much to the Old Testament, you're going to show us
how many SPECIFIC times the command of 7th day worship is emphasized in the New Testament.

 

[oikonomia]

John was in spirit on the Lord's Day. I bet John was in spirit on everyday.
Who could have written the epistles of First, Second, and Third John who did not abide in Spirit all the time?

The Lord is with the new covenant believers' regenerated human spirit.

The Lord be with your spirit. Grace be with you. (2 Tim. 4:22)

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Are you saying Tuesday is not holy?

No, its a working day, God only made the seventh day holy. He only blessed the seventh day and sactified it. Gen 2:1-3 All other day God deemed for works and labors.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

You are fueled by pushing believers to be "anti-7th day."

I refuse to be pushed in that catagory.

Why didn't the the Creator tell the four living creature to rest on the 7th day?

And the four living creatures, . . . they have no rest day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God the Almighty, who was and who is and who is coming. (Rev. 4:8)

How many of the twenty seven New Testament books stress a command to worship on the 7th day?


The Lord's reference to worship there is tied to His water of life (the Spirit) springing up from within unto eternal life.
This alone could quench the weary woman's thirst. And this was for her to worship the Father in spirit and truthfulness.

You get fueled by forcing Christians to be against this worship on Saturday.
I am not against Saturday worship.
I am for worshipping the Father all the time in spirit and in truthfulness.

But in your next post, instead of referring so much to the Old Testament, you're going to show us
how many SPECIFIC times the command of 7th day worship is emphasized in the New Testament.

According to Jesus worship is about our obedience to God and obeying His commandments, not just the 4th commandment, but all of them including the Sabbath commandment.

We should worship God every day, no doubt, but that doesn't take away our moral duty to obey God and His commandments, the way He gave them, not what was edited by man that had no authority to do so.

 

[Bob S]

I find it amazing how many people brush aside the very Words of God.

I do too. I also find it amazing that those who feel like they will not be saved unless they observe the old covenant Sabbath brush aside the very words of God when we are told we are not under the Law. in fact this is so plainly brought out in Eph 2: 15 that it leaves no doubt the Sabbath is not a requirement for new covenant believers or anyone else for that matter.

 

[oikonomia]

Every Christians should know that the basic book on the tenets of the Gospel of God is Romans.

In chapter fourteen Paul at length lays out principles by which believers should receive one another.
His instructions include these words,

One judges one day above another; another judges every day alike. Let each be fully persuaded in his own mind. (Rom. 14:5)

Now the Sabbath Police on this Forum may go to great length to argue that the "context" of that verse has nothing
to do with the special day of the OT Sabbath.

I have seen it before. The twisting and dancing is horrendous to rescue their obsession from the simple
fellowship of the apostle. We are to receive one another and be persuaded in our own minds about non-critical practices.
Diet is one example. Special day keeping is another.

 

[Bob S]

No, its a working day, God only made the seventh day holy. He only blessed the seventh day and sactified it. Gen 2:1-3 All other day God deemed for works and labors.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

According to Jesus worship is about our obedience to God and obeying His commandments, not just the 4th commandment, but all of them including the Sabbath commandment.

We should worship God every day, no doubt, but that doesn't take away our moral duty to obey God and His commandments, the way He gave them, not what was edited by man that had no authority to do so.

God made one day Holy. It does not tell us He made all Seventh days holy. When He led the Israelites out of Egypt He didn't stop them to observe the Sabbath. That would defiantly prove the Sabbath was not a requirement until after crossing the Red Sea. And the fact is that we have absolutely no evidence that any other nation was required to observe the Sabbath.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Every Christians should know that the basic book on the tenets of the Gospel of God is Romans.

In chapter fourteen Paul at length lays out principles by which believers should receive one another.
His instructions include these words,

One judges one day above another; another judges every day alike. Let each be fully persuaded in his own mind. (Rom. 14:5)

Now the Sabbath Police on this Forum may go to great length to argue that the "context" of that verse has nothing
to do with the special day of the OT Sabbath.

I have seen it before. The twisting and dancing is horrendous to rescue their obsession from the simple
fellowship of the apostle. We are to receive one another and be persuaded in our own minds about non-critical practices.
Diet is one example. Special day keeping is another.

If you read Romans 14, you will see it does not once mention the Sabbath at all. It is referring to what man esteems, not what God esteemed over all other days.

Man cannot make something holy, man cannot bless or sanctify anything, only God can.

 

[Gary K]

God made one day Holy. It does not tell us He made all Seventh days holy. When He led the Israelites out of Egypt He didn't stop them to observe the Sabbath. That would defiantly prove the Sabbath was not a requirement until after crossing the Red Sea. And the fact is that we have absolutely no evidence that any other nation was required to observe the Sabbath.

How many seventh days are there in a seven day week?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God made one day Holy. It does not tell us He made all Seventh days holy. When He led the Israelites out of Egypt He didn't stop them to observe the Sabbath. That would defiantly prove the Sabbath was not a requirement until after crossing the Red Sea. And the fact is that we have absolutely no evidence that any other nation was required to observe the Sabbath.

Until you read Exodus 5:5

Exo 5:5 And Pharaoh said, “Look, the people of the land are many now, and you make them rest from their labor!”

Original Word: שָׁבַת
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: shabath
Phonetic Spelling: (shaw-bath')
Definition: to cease, desist, rest

HEB: אֲשֶׁ֣ר עָשָׂ֑ה וַיִּשְׁבֹּת֙ בַּיּ֣וֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִ֔י
NAS: He had done, and He rested on the seventh
KJV: which he had made; and he rested on the seventh
INT: which had done rested day the seventh

 

[oikonomia]

If you read Romans 14, you will see it does not once mention the Sabbath at all. It is referring to what man esteems, not what God esteemed over all other days.

Man cannot make something holy, man cannot bless or sanctify anything, only God can.

What do you think of the passage to sanctify the Lord in our hearts?
Is this a command for Christians to do some sanctifying themselves?

But sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, (1 Pet. 3:15a)

 

[oikonomia]

If you read Romans 14, you will see it does not once mention the Sabbath at all. It is referring to what man esteems, not what God esteemed over all other days.

The 7th day Sabbath day is included in his mentioning of "one day" being held in higher regard than another.

One judges one day above another; another judges every day alike. Let each be fully persuaded in his own mind. (v.5)

That should cover the 7th day, December 25th, Honukkah, Mothers' Day, Veteran's Day, Columbus Day, etc. etc. etc.

 

[oikonomia]

If you read Romans 14, you will see it does not once mention the Sabbath at all. It is referring to what man esteems, not what God esteemed over all other days.

The reason that one believer holds a day in higher regard than other days may well be because of
something read in the Scripture. That is something God had said.

You know, when you munipulate the word this way, the first one to suffer is yourself.
It says be persuaded in your own mind and be at peace with others who differ.

Of course one reason a believer may be persuaded is because of something read in the Scriptures.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The 7th day Sabbath day is included in his mentioning of "one day" being held in higher regard than another.

One judges one day above another; another judges every day alike. Let each be fully persuaded in his own mind. (v.5)

That should cover the 7th day, December 25th, Honukkah, Veteran's Day, Columbus Day, etc. etc. etc.

It says what one person esteems, not what God esteems, its not referring to the Sabbath commandment as the Sabbath is not mentioned once in these chapter. It's about disputes between men, nothing to do what God commanded, which is the weekly Sabbath to be kept holy Exo 20:8-11

It would be no difference if I debate Christmas or Eastern being esteemed over other days, nothing to do with what day God deemed above all other days- the seventh day Sabbath.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I totally disagree with the premise of the thread. Worshipping God is of upmost importance just as the opening thread indicated, but tying our worship to a one day ceremony is wrong. The Sabbath was not made for Israel to be a special day of worship It was made for Israel to rest and reflect on creation and how God led them out of slavery in Egypt. The point should be that we worship God equally today and every day.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What do you think of the passage to sanctify the Lord in our hearts?
Is this a command for Christians to do some sanctifying themselves?

But sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, (1 Pet. 3:15a)

This is not saying we can sanctify Christ, only God can sanctify anything Eze 20:12
But we can uphold what God has sanctified.

 

[Gary K]

What do you think of the passage to sanctify the Lord in our hearts?
Is this a command for Christians to do some sanctifying themselves?

But sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, (1 Pet. 3:15a)

Do you really believe sinful man can make anything holy?

1Peter 3: 13 And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good?
14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness’ sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

When that entire text is read in the context of the surround scripture it clearly has another meaning than what you try to force on it.

 

[oikonomia]

This is not saying we can sanctify Christ, only God can sanctify anything Eze 20:12
But we can uphold what God has sanctified.

So I should change it to "Do not sanctify Christ the Lord in your heart" because I cannot?

Are you capable of speaking of anything else about the Christian life other than
obeying the 4th commandment?

 

[oikonomia]

Do you really believe sinful man can make anything holy?

In cooperation WITH God man can move in coordination and harmony with God.

One day I may show how the four living creatures and the wheel within a wheel in that mysterious
vision of Ezekiel is all about the seamless moving of God through His people.

1Peter 3: 13 And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good?

So WE follow the Lord Christ and CO-sanctify Him in our hearts with God.

When that entire text is read in the context of the surround scripture it clearly has another meaning than what you try to force on it.

The books of First and Second Peter speaks of the believers becomming partakers of the divine nature.

Through which He has granted to us precious and exceedingly great promises that through these you might become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption which is in the world by lust. (2 Pet. 1:4)

We cannot do anything apart from abiding in the Lord Jesus as the True Vine.

Abide in Me and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. I am the vine; you are the branches. He who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit; for apart from Me you can do nothing. (John 15:4,5)

So our actions become blended and mingled with God's actions. This is the normality that we must
grow into. And it is this incorporation of God and man that allows the Christian to sanctity the Lord in thier hearts.

Peter learned this very well. And Jesus wanted His disciples to have so much confidence in this union of His life with our life
that He said we would even do greater things.

Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; but if not, believe because of the works themselves.
Truly, truly, I say to you, He who believes into Me, the works which I do he shall do also; and greater than these he shall do because I am going to the Father. (John 14:11,12)

Mind you that is "greater things" according to God's view of greatness.
That is "great" according to the eternal purpose of God.

 

[Leaf473]

Moses was just a man, but the One who wrote the Commandments on the Two Tables was the Creator who made the Sabbath, so its at the core of the conflict of true worship.

Are you saying that if God wrote something, then we should be sure to follow it. But if he spoke something, then we don't have to follow it?

Bible Gateway passage: Leviticus 1:1-2 - New American Standard Bible

The Law of Burnt Offerings - Now the LORD called to Moses and spoke to him from the tent of meeting, saying, “Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘When anyone of you brings an offering to the LORD, you shall bring your offering of livestock from the herd or the flock.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So I should change it to "Do not sanctify Christ the Lord in your heart" because I cannot?

Are you capable of speaking of anything else about the Christian life other than
obeying the 4th commandment?

Do you really believe we have the power to sanctify Christ?

This is an easier translation....

ESV but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,