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[Gary K]

Ok

And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭ESV‬‬

“And it shall be that from New Moon to New Moon And from Sabbath to Sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down and worship before Me,” says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭AMP‬‬

“From month to month and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all humanity will come to worship me, says the LORD.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭CEB‬‬

“From new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, All flesh shall come to worship before me, says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭NABRE‬‬

“And it shall come to pass from new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, saith Jehovah.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭DARBY‬‬

“And this shall happen: From new moon to new moon and from Sabbath to Sabbath all flesh shall come to bow in worship before me,” says Yahweh.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭LEB‬‬

““And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to worship before Me,” says Yahweh.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭LSB‬‬

“And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from Sabbath to Sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

“From new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭NRSV‬‬

“From new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭NRSV-CI‬‬

“From new moon to new moon and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭NRSVUE‬‬

“From new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭RSV‬‬

“From new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭RSV-C‬‬

“From new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭RSVCI‬‬

“And it shall be, that from new moon to new moon, And from sabbath to sabbath, Shall all flesh come to worship before me, Saith Jehovah.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭TEG‬‬

““And it shall be that from New Moon to New Moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before Me,” declares יהוה.”
‭‭Yeshayah (Isaiah)‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭TS2009‬‬

“And it hath been from month to month, And from sabbath to sabbath, Come do all flesh to bow themselves before Me, Said Jehovah.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

What Bible app are you using on your laptop that has 47 Bible versions but doesn’t have any of these Bible versions? I’d really like to download it and take a look at it.

I'm sorry. I mistook your meaning. No, the eBible I have doesn't contradict your quotes.

However the word "to" does not necessarily mean what you claim it does. In the context it just means in the direction of one Sabbath from the previous one. Sabbath has always been a weekly event not a daily event so your definition is very forced. I can say we'll meet from Sabbath to Sabbath and it doesn't include meeting on Sunday, Monday. Tuesday. Wednesday. Thursday. and Friday too. It means we'll meet weekly. That's by far the most obvious reading of the phrase.

You can choose what you want to believe but you'll never convince me of that. You go to church from Sunday to Sunday don't you?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I'm sorry. I mistook your meaning. No, the eBible I have doesn't contradict your quotes.

However the word "to" does not necessarily mean what you claim it does. In the context it just means in the direction of one Sabbath from the previous one. Sabbath has always been a weekly event not a daily event so your definition is very forced. I can say we'll meet from Sabbath to Sabbath and it doesn't include meeting on Sunday, Monday. Tuesday. Wednesday. Thursday. and Friday too. It means we'll meet weekly. That's by far the most obvious reading of the phrase.

You can choose what you want to believe but you'll never convince me of that. You go to church from Sunday to Sunday don't you?

Isaiah 66:23 is about what we will do in the new earth. Yeah I’ll worship everyday, you don’t have to go anywhere to worship. Anyone can worship anywhere at anytime.

 

[Gary K]

Isaiah 66:23 is about what we will do in the new earth. Yeah I’ll worship everyday, you don’t have to go anywhere to worship. Anyone can worship anywhere at anytime.

I think you'll find heaven to be a fascinating place with a whole lot of very interesting things to do. Jesus tells us we will be like the angels when we get to heaven so exploring the universe is going to be a fascinating thing to do and as it is an infinite place to explore it will take a lot of time to explore it. You may verywell find you won't want to stick around the New Jerusalem for eternity. God made it to be explored and enjoyed so I can't see Him not thinking it isn't a great idea for us to go exploring..

 

[Icyspark]

You're right. No law, no guilt. So are you a sinner? If so, on what basis are you a sinner?

Easy sparky, if I do not adhere to the truth I am a sinner. The truth is found in 1Jn3:19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us

Hi Bob S,

Here we are again with a comment straight outta the post modern playbook. The scriptural passage you just quoted doesn't even mention the word "sin," yet you are attempting to shoe horn these words into providing your understanding of yourself as a sinner.

I believe there are four biblical definitions of sin and as someone who chooses to routinely enter into discussions about the law I'm sure you're familiar with all of them. Yet for some reason you brazenly chose to reject the biblical definitions of sin and instead embraced a passage which I suppose you think is nebulous enough to allow for denial of the obvious? I guess that's where one must go when they've embraced a false belief. And if something is false, isn't that the opposite of truth? If someone is in outright denial of the truth does that mean that they do not belong to the truth?

Paul said, "I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”

That goes directly contrary to your attempt to dismiss the law you insist came to an end. Paul isn't just saying coveting is the only aspect of the law which still identifies sin. Paul appeals to one of the Ten Commandments knowing that he doesn't need to enumerate each and every one directly for his readers to know he is affirming the entire set. He's saying he wouldn't have know what sin was if the law had not said, "You shall not commit adultery; you shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain; and remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Note that I too didn't go through all ten of the commandments. Does that mean that my lack of inclusion means that I'm saying it's ok to worship other gods; dishonor your parents; murder; steal; lie? That's the nonsense your position imposes on the truth.

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hi Bob S,

Here we are again with a comment straight outta the post modern playbook. The scriptural passage you just quoted doesn't even mention the word "sin," yet you are attempting to shoe horn these words into providing your understanding of yourself as a sinner.

I believe there are four biblical definitions of sin and as someone who chooses to routinely enter into discussions about the law I'm sure you're familiar with all of them. Yet for some reason you brazenly chose to reject the biblical definitions of sin and instead embraced a passage which I suppose you think is nebulous enough to allow for denial of the obvious? I guess that's where one must go when they've embraced a false belief. And if something is false, isn't that the opposite of truth? If someone is in outright denial of the truth does that mean that they do not belong to the truth?

Paul said, "I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”

That goes directly contrary to your attempt to dismiss the law you insist came to an end. Paul isn't just saying coveting is the only aspect of the law which still identifies sin. Paul appeals to one of the Ten Commandments knowing that he doesn't need to enumerate each and every one directly for his readers to know he is affirming the entire set. He's saying he wouldn't have know what sin was if the law had not said, "You shall not commit adultery; you shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain; and remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Note that I too didn't go through all ten of the commandments. Does that mean that my lack of inclusion means that I'm saying it's ok to worship other gods; dishonor your parents; murder; steal; lie? That's the nonsense your position imposes on the truth.

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

Hi icy! Nice seeing you.

It’s funny how people never do this with the greatest commandments- love God with all our heart, love neighbor. When scripture only references one of the greatest commandments, does it mean the other went obsolete, of course not. Not sure why people impose this on God’s Ten Commandments- God didn’t Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13, Jesus didn’t Mat 5:19-30, nor did James James 2:10-12 and we shouldn’t either!

 

[daq]

Ok

And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭ESV‬‬

“And it shall be that from New Moon to New Moon And from Sabbath to Sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down and worship before Me,” says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭AMP‬‬

“From month to month and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all humanity will come to worship me, says the LORD.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭CEB‬‬

“From new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, All flesh shall come to worship before me, says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭NABRE‬‬

“And it shall come to pass from new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, saith Jehovah.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭DARBY‬‬

“And this shall happen: From new moon to new moon and from Sabbath to Sabbath all flesh shall come to bow in worship before me,” says Yahweh.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭LEB‬‬

““And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to worship before Me,” says Yahweh.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭LSB‬‬

“And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from Sabbath to Sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

“From new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭NRSV‬‬

“From new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭NRSV-CI‬‬

“From new moon to new moon and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭NRSVUE‬‬

“From new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭RSV‬‬

“From new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭RSV-C‬‬

“From new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭RSVCI‬‬

“And it shall be, that from new moon to new moon, And from sabbath to sabbath, Shall all flesh come to worship before me, Saith Jehovah.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭TEG‬‬

““And it shall be that from New Moon to New Moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before Me,” declares יהוה.”
‭‭Yeshayah (Isaiah)‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭TS2009‬‬

“And it hath been from month to month, And from sabbath to sabbath, Come do all flesh to bow themselves before Me, Said Jehovah.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭23‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

What Bible app are you using on your laptop that has 47 Bible versions but doesn’t have any of these Bible versions? I’d really like to download it and take a look at it.

I've read this discussion back several pages just to see what it was actually about. I've never seen any English translation that accurately reflects what the Hebrew text actually says, (PS: corrected below after I remembered the SLT during this post). What is rendered from is actually dei or day, (dahee), with the mem prefix, (a preposition that with the mem prefix would be something like middei), and dei can also mean "according to", (and it is sometimes not easy to understand in certain contexts).

The first portion:

וְהָיָה מִֽדֵּי־חֹדֶשׁ בְּחָדְשֹׁו וּמִדֵּי שַׁבָּת בְּשַׁבַּתֹּו

My (tentative-current) reading:

And it shall come to pass that according to a Hodesh in its Hodesh, and according to a Shabbat in its Shabbat ...

In other words what the Prophet is actually saying is that most do not even know the proper times concerning these things: the emphasis is on the timing and worshiping according to the proper set times. Moreover this statement derives from the Torah, specifically Numbers 28:10-14 which uses the same phrases/constructs. Numbers 28:10 concerns the Shabbat, and I have found one translation which renders it close enough in this case, the YLT, (Young's Literal Translation), but for some reason Young did not render the same phrase the same way in the Isaiah passage.

Numbers 28:10 WLC
עֹלַת שַׁבַּת בְּשַׁבַּתֹּו עַל־עֹלַת הַתָּמִיד וְנִסְכָּֽהּ׃ ס

Numbers 28:10 YLT
10 the burnt-offering of the sabbath in its sabbath, besides the continual burnt-offering and its libation.

But the article is not attached, so it should read, the ascending offering of a Shabbat in its Shabbat ...

Numbers 28:14 then says the ascending offering of a Hodesh in its Hodesh (for the Hodeshei (months) of the year). However in this case, strangely, the YLT switches to read "the burnt-offering of every month for the months of the year".

Addendum: I just remembered an obscure translation called the SLT and it has both correct except for the article:

Numbers 28:10 SLT
10 A burnt-offering of the Sabbath in its Sabbath, upon the burnt-offering of continuance, and its libation.

Numbers 28:14 SLT
14 And their libations shall be half of the hin for the bullock, and the third of the hin for the ram; and the fourth of the hin of wine for the lamb: this the burnt-offering of the month in its month, for the months of the year.

And what a nice surprise:

Isaiah 66:23 SLT
23 And it was as often as the new moon in its new moon, and as often as the Sabbath in its Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, says Jehovah.

Notice that for middei this translation renders "as often as", (again, it is not always easy to understand an author's intent when this word is used).

 

[Leaf473]

I've read this discussion back several pages just to see what it was actually about. I've never seen any English translation that accurately reflects what the Hebrew text actually says, (PS: corrected below after I remembered the SLT during this post). What is rendered from is actually dei or day, (dahee), with the mem prefix, (a preposition that with the mem prefix would be something like middei), and dei can also mean "according to", (and it is sometimes not easy to understand in certain contexts).

The first portion:

וְהָיָה מִֽדֵּי־חֹדֶשׁ בְּחָדְשֹׁו וּמִדֵּי שַׁבָּת בְּשַׁבַּתֹּו

My (tentative-current) reading:

And it shall come to pass that according to a Hodesh in its Hodesh, and according to a Shabbat in its Shabbat ...

In other words what the Prophet is actually saying is that most do not even know the proper times concerning these things: the emphasis is on the timing and worshiping according to the proper set times. Moreover this statement derives from the Torah, specifically Numbers 28:10-14 which uses the same phrases/constructs. Numbers 28:10 concerns the Shabbat, and I have found one translation which renders it close enough in this case, the YLT, (Young's Literal Translation), but for some reason Young did not render the same phrase the same way in the Isaiah passage.

Numbers 28:10 WLC
עֹלַת שַׁבַּת בְּשַׁבַּתֹּו עַל־עֹלַת הַתָּמִיד וְנִסְכָּֽהּ׃ ס

Numbers 28:10 YLT
10 the burnt-offering of the sabbath in its sabbath, besides the continual burnt-offering and its libation.

But the article is not attached, so it should read, the ascending offering of a Shabbat in its Shabbat ...

Numbers 28:14 then says the ascending offering of a Hodesh in its Hodesh (for the Hodeshei (months) of the year). However in this case, strangely, the YLT switches to read "the burnt-offering of every month for the months of the year".

Addendum: I just remembered an obscure translation called the SLT and it has both correct except for the article:

Numbers 28:10 SLT
10 A burnt-offering of the Sabbath in its Sabbath, upon the burnt-offering of continuance, and its libation.

Numbers 28:14 SLT
14 And their libations shall be half of the hin for the bullock, and the third of the hin for the ram; and the fourth of the hin of wine for the lamb: this the burnt-offering of the month in its month, for the months of the year.

And what a nice surprise:

Isaiah 66:23 SLT
23 And it was as often as the new moon in its new moon, and as often as the Sabbath in its Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, says Jehovah.

Notice that for middei this translation renders "as often as", (again, it is not always easy to understand an author's intent when this word is used).

Very interesting. Is the new moon something other than, well... the beginning of the lunar cycle?

 

[daq]

Very interesting. Is the new moon something other than, well... the beginning of the lunar cycle?

I do not believe the Hebrew text actually says new moon anywhere: that's an interpretive decision on the part of translators. For example, where the SLT in the previous quote has new moon in the Isaiah passage, it simply says month in Numbers 28:14, and yet both passages contain the same exact word, hodesh, (typically transliterated as chodesh). The translators assume a lunisolar calendar simply because modern Judaism observes a lunisolar calendar. The original Torah calendar remains well hidden in the Torah, (for good reasons), and it is a solar calendar.

 

[Leaf473]

I do not believe the Hebrew text actually says new moon anywhere: that's an interpretive decision on the part of translators. For example, where the SLT in the previous quote has new moon in the Isaiah passage, it simply says month in Numbers 28:14, and yet both passages contain the same exact word, hodesh, (typically transliterated as chodesh). The translators assume a lunisolar calendar simply because modern Judaism observes a lunisolar calendar. The original Torah calendar remains well hidden in the Torah, (for good reasons), and it is a solar calendar.

Okay... When does the month start?

 

[Icyspark]

Hi icy! Nice seeing you.

It’s funny how people never do this with the greatest commandments- love God with all our heart, love neighbor. When scripture only references one of the greatest commandments, does it mean the other went obsolete, of course not. Not sure why people impose this on God’s Ten Commandments- God didn’t Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13, Jesus didn’t Mat 5:19-30, nor did James James 2:10-12 and we shouldn’t either!

Hi SabbathBlessings,

Nice seeing you!

What I encounter is a regular shifting of the goal line. When I show the obvious fallacy of a position then they ignore their previous contention and manufacture another unbiblical excuse for their rejection of the God they claim to love. By outward appearances it seems to invalidate their claim because Jesus says love is manifested in obedience and obedience is not left nebulous and undefined. Love for God and for our neighbor is defined in the law which apparently to certain ppl is faulty and needed to come to an end. Weird, huh?

God bless!

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[daq]

Okay... When does the month start?

It depends on when the year starts because every month is equal, thirty days, (not counting intercalation days), but beyond that, it can hardly be explained here because there are surely too many calendar rules for people who do not need written rules.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

Hi SabbathBlessings,

Nice seeing you!

What I encounter is a regular shifting of the goal line. When I show the obvious fallacy of a position then they ignore their previous contention and manufacture another unbiblical excuse for their rejection of the God they claim to love. By outward appearances it seems to invalidate their claim because Jesus says love is manifested in obedience and obedience is not left nebulous and undefined. Love for God and for our neighbor is defined in the law which apparently to certain ppl is faulty and needed to come to an end. Weird, huh?

God bless!

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

This is a question for all people who think obedience to God's laws is the path to rightness with God:

How are you, being a habitual law-breaker, right with God through obedience?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This is a question for all people who think obedience to God's laws is the path to rightness with God:

How are you, being a habitual law-breaker, right with God through obedience?

Are you saying being disobedient to God leads us to righteousness? It's not what the scripture says Romans 6:16

God's law is not a means to justify us, it just shows us our sin Romans 3:20 Romans 7:7, and shows our need for grace by Jesus who is so willing to forgive us when we come to Him and repent of our sin (breaking God's law 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7) repenting of our sins means we have a change in direction. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21, not in them.

 

[guevaraj]

This is a question for all people who think obedience to God's laws is the path to rightness with God:

How are you, being a habitual law-breaker, right with God through obedience?

Brother, thanks to God having placed Jesus as our High Priest, we can gain daily forgivenesses to grow in obedience to the Eleven Commandments that give us mastery over sin. Those looking for an excuse to sin will find one in the Greek New Testament word for "faith" being ambiguous for "belief" because God is no longer holding Christians by their hand as He did for Judaism before Jesus. Now God is actively helping those who are looking for an excuse to condemn them for having enjoyed sin rather than believing the truth.

This man will come to do the work of Satan with counterfeit power and signs and miracles. He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them. So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies. Then they will be condemned for enjoying evil rather than believing the truth. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

Are you saying being disobedient to God leads us to righteousness? It's not what the scripture says Romans 6:16

God's law is not a means to justify us, it just shows us our sin Romans 3:20 Romans 7:7, and shows our need for grace by Jesus who is so willing to forgive us when we come to Him and repent of our sin (breaking God's law 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7) repenting of our sins means we have a change in direction. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21, not in them.

I see you are not answering the question. Let me rephrase it based on your dodge. How does your habitual sinning prove you have a change in direction?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hi SabbathBlessings,

Nice seeing you!

What I encounter is a regular shifting of the goal line. When I show the obvious fallacy of a position then they ignore their previous contention and manufacture another unbiblical excuse for their rejection of the God they claim to love. By outward appearances it seems to invalidate their claim because Jesus says love is manifested in obedience and obedience is not left nebulous and undefined. Love for God and for our neighbor is defined in the law which apparently to certain ppl is faulty and needed to come to an end. Weird, huh?

God bless!

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

Sadly, the teaching the law came to an end is misinterpreted scriptures typically by Paul, that even came with from a warning. 2 Peter 3:16

Ironically, it is the very first lie from the garden and Satan is still up to his same tricks.

The same lie- you can disobey God and live, the opposite of what God said.

You take away the law, you take away the penalty for the law- the wages of sin is death Rom 6:23. No law, no death, which makes us immortal. Scripture tells us only God is immortal1 Timothy 6:16 so this teaching has a fatal flaw and does not reconcile with the very Words of Jesus. Mat 7:21-23, Rev 22:14-15

Agreed, love to God and love to man is not undefined in scripture 1 John 5:2-3, John 14:15, Exo 20:6 and sadly another popular teaching is that the summary deletes the details.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I see you are not answering the question. Let me rephrase it based on your dodge. How does your habitual sinning prove you have a change in direction?

Who said I habitually sin? Do you believe that the devil is more powerful to keep us in sin than Jesus is to keep us from sin? In this belief it means the devil is more powerful than Jesus, which is not something I prescribe to. What is not possible on our own, all things are possible in Christ including obedience to Him. He doesn't make us do it on our own too, but it requires our cooperation.

If we stumble and fall, we have a High Priest we come to for forgiveness of sin, when we repent . True repentance means there is a change in direction.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

Brother, thanks to God having placed Jesus as our High Priest, we can gain daily forgivenesses to grow in obedience to the Eleven Commandments that give us mastery over sin. Those looking for an excuse to sin will find one in the Greek New Testament word for "faith" being ambiguous for "belief" because God is no longer holding Christians by their hand as He did for Judaism before Jesus. Now God is actively helping those who are looking for an excuse to condemn them for having enjoyed sin rather than believing the truth.

This man will come to do the work of Satan with counterfeit power and signs and miracles. He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them. So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies. Then they will be condemned for enjoying evil rather than believing the truth. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

So, your habitual sin is forgiven daily, which enables you to become less of a habitual sinner each day, and eventually you become a master over sin. Where are you in the progression? Do you still need Jesus' forgiveness on a daily basis? If so, how can you say your obedience is laudable?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Brother, thanks to God having placed Jesus as our High Priest, we can gain daily forgivenesses to grow in obedience to the Eleven Commandments that give us mastery over sin. Those looking for an excuse to sin will find one in the Greek New Testament word for "faith" being ambiguous for "belief" because God is no longer holding Christians by their hand as He did for Judaism before Jesus. Now God is actively helping those who are looking for an excuse to condemn them for having enjoyed sin rather than believing the truth.

This man will come to do the work of Satan with counterfeit power and signs and miracles. He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them. So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies. Then they will be condemned for enjoying evil rather than believing the truth. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Brother, the eleven commandments is not a biblical teaching, just like the 9 commandments is not either. God gave Ten Commandments Exo 34:28, Deut 4:13 written and spoken by God alone Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 and adding or subtracting to God's Word, is not a good idea because no one is above God.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So, your habitual sin is forgiven daily, which enables you to become less of a habitual sinner each day, and eventually you become a master over sin. Where are you in the progression? Do you still need Jesus' forgiveness on a daily basis? If so, how can you say your obedience is laudable?

People sacrificed animals daily, because people sinned daily. Now we have a High Priest we can go to when we stumble and fall. What is not forgiven is the sins we cover Pro 28:13 when we sin and no longer try to overcome through Jesus Christ, there remains no more sacrifice Heb 10:26-30 God's law just shows us our sin, so we do not depend on our own righteousness but depend on God's Psa 119:172 and His law reflects His character, which we need to become. No one said it was easy, but through Christ all things are possible. Philippians 4:13