Working Class Ditching Dem Party In Droves As Some Say It’s ‘Fighting For Everybody Else’ Besides Americans

[A2SG]

They need to find a way through the opposing party labeling what they are, but really aren't. I think the saying goes, and it speaks to the horrid Dem messaging, if you don't define who you are, your opponent will define who you are.

I agree the Democratic party is terrible at messaging, and the GOP excels at it. That's a definite failing.

Also, the party has long been pretty inconsistent. When they're in power, they can't seem to focus enough to get through a cohesive agenda, seeming to scatter their efforts all over the place; when they're not in power, they resort to feckless whining and complaining instead of attempting actual governing.

I think a large part of the problem is that the Democratic party is leaderless at the moment. President Biden certainly can't do it now, and Harris hasn't proven herself to be an effective leader in his stead, nor has she even tried since the election. President Obama has pretty much stepped back, probably to allow for new leadership since he's out of the public sphere, but it might be helpful if he did take up some form of leadership role, even if that of an elder statesman to help the next wave of leaders to come.

There are a handful of democrats dipping their toes in the water for a possible run in 2028, but most are being cautious about it. Gavin Newsom seems to be trying to attract national attention, and perhaps he might be good if he keeps at it, but he does seem to be pretty busy with his own issues over there in California. I've heard a few other names bandied about here and there, but no strong voices are raising above the usual noise.

One of the few things I'll credit Trump with is his unparalleled ability at self-promotion. He gets his name out there all the time, and sucks all the attention all for himself every time he does. Democrats need someone who can compete with that, but that's proven to be very, very difficult.

-- A2SG, I'd almost say that Democrats need their own Trump, but I can't think of any qualified convicted felons we have available....

 

[A2SG]

I'm not interested in getting into a protracted argument with you.

Isn't that what this board is for? What should we be doing instead, swapping recipes?

Whatever you have to argue against it and say against it, doesn't change the way it is. It being why the DNC is becoming less popular and the GOP is becoming more popular.

See a previous post, where I elaborate on the problems with the party, as I see them.

If you're interested in a discussion, that is.

-- A2SG, unless you'd rather get my killer toffee cookie recipe....

 

[ozso]

I think Bill Maher has a really good take on what's wrong with the Democrat party. He's not a republican and he's not a Trump supporter.

 

[ozso]

I agree the Democratic party is terrible at messaging, and the GOP excels at it. That's a definite failing.

Also, the party has long been pretty inconsistent. When they're in power, they can't seem to focus enough to get through a cohesive agenda, seeming to scatter their efforts all over the place; when they're not in power, they resort to feckless whining and complaining instead of attempting actual governing.

I think a large part of the problem is that the Democratic party is leaderless at the moment. President Biden certainly can't do it now, and Harris hasn't proven herself to be an effective leader in his stead, nor has she even tried since the election. President Obama has pretty much stepped back, probably to allow for new leadership since he's out of the public sphere, but it might be helpful if he did take up some form of leadership role, even if that of an elder statesman to help the next wave of leaders to come.

There are a handful of democrats dipping their toes in the water for a possible run in 2028, but most are being cautious about it. Gavin Newsom seems to be trying to attract national attention, and perhaps he might be good if he keeps at it, but he does seem to be pretty busy with his own issues over there in California. I've heard a few other names bandied about here and there, but no strong voices are raising above the usual noise.

One of the few things I'll credit Trump with is his unparalleled ability at self-promotion. He gets his name out there all the time, and sucks all the attention all for himself every time he does. Democrats need someone who can compete with that, but that's proven to be very, very difficult.

I think competing with Trump regarding what makes Trump so Trumpy is a bad idea. Newsome gave it a whirl and it was pretty cringeworthy. But they definitely need someone with lots of bearing and charisma and who's articulate. But ahead of that, someone who has good practical ideas. Tampons in boys restrooms for example is the opposite of a good practical idea.

 

[A2SG]

I think competing with Trump regarding what makes Trump so Trumpy is a bad idea. Newsome gave it a whirl and it was pretty cringeworthy.

I don't know, I think he made his point. Whether it works remains to be seen, of course, but it got attention.

And that's where democrats really are in competition with Trump. He's absorbing all the news focus to him, making it seem like he's the only newsworthy thing in the world. And I'm sure Trump feels this is actually the case. But, for democrats to begin to make inroads to a national profile, they need to make their voices heard over the noise created by Trump and his campaign of misinformation and lies. Newsome is trying to do that.

It's a start.

But they definitely need someone with lots of bearing and charisma and who's articulate. But ahead of that, someone who has good practical ideas. Tampons in boys restrooms for example is the opposite of a good practical idea.

I highly doubt tampons have been anyone's campaign strategy. But I can agree that democrats need to put forth their own ideas, and better ones. Using the ACA as their signature legislation achievement, for example, was a big mistake, in my opinion. Why adopt conservative ideas from the Heritage foundation when better ideas exist, such as a working single payer health care plan? If democrats put forth a viable single payer plan that worked, I can almost guarantee the votes would be there.

Though, the GOP would certainly do the bidding of the for-profit health insurance industry and work overtime to ensure their millions of dollars in profit generated every single year continue to line the pockets of the CEOs. That is their true constituency, after all.

But you are right, the party does need an effective communicator who can deliver this message clearly and concisely to the voters, and not leave that to Trump and MAGA to do it for them.

-- A2SG, could that be Newsome? We'll see.....

 

[ozso]

I don't know, I think he made his point. Whether it works remains to be seen, of course, but it got attention.

And that's where democrats really are in competition with Trump. He's absorbing all the news focus to him, making it seem like he's the only newsworthy thing in the world. And I'm sure Trump feels this is actually the case. But, for democrats to begin to make inroads to a national profile, they need to make their voices heard over the noise created by Trump and his campaign of misinformation and lies. Newsome is trying to do that.

It's a start.


I highly doubt tampons have been anyone's campaign strategy. But I can agree that democrats need to put forth their own ideas, and better ones. Using the ACA as their signature legislation achievement, for example, was a big mistake, in my opinion. Why adopt conservative ideas from the Heritage foundation when better ideas exist, such as a working single payer health care plan? If democrats put forth a viable single payer plan that worked, I can almost guarantee the votes would be there.

Though, the GOP would certainly do the bidding of the for-profit health insurance industry and work overtime to ensure their millions of dollars in profit generated every single year continue to line the pockets of the CEOs. That is their true constituency, after all.

But you are right, the party does need an effective communicator who can deliver this message clearly and concisely to the voters, and not leave that to Trump and MAGA to do it for them.

-- A2SG, could that be Newsome? We'll see.....

I wouldn't blame all that on Trump. The left seems to go nuclear over everything he says and does. Really he doesn't have to try much to get tons of attention from them. Which isn't a good look for the Democrats. Both Hillary's and Harris's campaigns were way too much about Trump.