LDS Wondering About the Godhead and the Trinity

[Jane_Doe]

Yeah, the LDS idea of lower heavens (is that the correct way to say?) and the Catholic idea of purgatory seem more merciful to me. Not sure either is explicitly taught in the Bible.

*Shrug* Neither Catholics nor LDS are a "sola scriptura" faith, so I suppose the larger question is one of authoritative sources.

Thanks, my friend.

Please describe the one God who the three are. Is it like a group thing, as in one government over the earth, or is it something different?

Simple pure unity.
Far more than an government or marriage or any other group of sinful humans here on Earth.

 

[lsume]

Hi Isume. Reminds me of that old hymn I used to sing with Baptists that I think went like this:

Bless the Lord, O my soul, and all that is within me bless his holy name.​

If you have time, please explain what the words, "one in spirit" mean to you.

Just as those who are truly Born Again are one in Spirit with The Holy Trinity, so is The Holy Trinity always one in Spirit. I thought that I was born again and I professed as much for years. I had drifted far from the path that Christ had put me on. There was then a time in my life where I had decided that I was going to maybe the desert with my Bible and my dog and seek The Truth. That trip never happened. I was called by God The Father which is impossible to describe. I was then put into a fast which I had little to no understanding about. It was on the 3rd day of this fast that I opened my well used Bible and the scales were removed from my eyes. I saw Christ on every page I turned to in both the New and Old Testaments. When my got home from my office, I was super excited and started telling her that Christ was real and that The Bible was real. My wife responded that of course He was real as was The Bible. I couldn't make her understand what had happened to me. I continued in the fast and, as I recall, on the third day after being illuminated, I was walking out of our bedroom at around 8:00 pm and I was suddenly suspended over the lake of fire. There was absolutely nothing that I could do. I don't know how long I was there in that vision but it was long enough for me to know The Fear of The Lord. From their many Spiritual things took place leading up to my being born again. From their, The Lord has continued to change me and grow me and reveal many of the mysteries in God's Word. This began about 26 years ago. I begged God to put someone in my life that understood what I was going through. He answered that prayer quickly. I met another on a basketball court across from our home at a school. He had gone through everything that I had gone through. However, he is about 10 years older than me and he also was 36 when he was called so he was 10 years ahead of me. We still stay in fellowship to this day.

I have begun sharing my testimony with a conversation that was started about a week ago. If you like, contact me via the conversation option and I will pray about it and perhaps share what I've written thus far via that conversation.

 

[spockrates]

*Shrug* Neither Catholics nor LDS are a "sola scriptura" faith, so I suppose the larger question is one of authoritative sources.

Agreed.

Simple pure unity.
Far more than an government or marriage or any other group of sinful humans here on Earth.

Unified, but separate. Understood. It seems, then that sometimes the word God means God the Father, and sometimes the word God means God the union. Is that a fair assessment?

 

[spockrates]

Just as those who are truly Born Again are one in Spirit with The Holy Trinity, so is The Holy Trinity always one in Spirit. I thought that I was born again and I professed as much for years. I had drifted far from the path that Christ had put me on. There was then a time in my life where I had decided that I was going to maybe the desert with my Bible and my dog and seek The Truth. That trip never happened. I was called by God The Father which is impossible to describe. I was then put into a fast which I had little to no understanding about. It was on the 3rd day of this fast that I opened my well used Bible and the scales were removed from my eyes. I saw Christ on every page I turned to in both the New and Old Testaments. When my got home from my office, I was super excited and started telling her that Christ was real and that The Bible was real. My wife responded that of course He was real as was The Bible. I couldn't make her understand what had happened to me. I continued in the fast and, as I recall, on the third day after being illuminated, I was walking out of our bedroom at around 8:00 pm and I was suddenly suspended over the lake of fire. There was absolutely nothing that I could do. I don't know how long I was there in that vision but it was long enough for me to know The Fear of The Lord. From their many Spiritual things took place leading up to my being born again. From their, The Lord has continued to change me and grow me and reveal many of the mysteries in God's Word. This began about 26 years ago. I begged God to put someone in my life that understood what I was going through. He answered that prayer quickly. I met another on a basketball court across from our home at a school. He had gone through everything that I had gone through. However, he is about 10 years older than me and he also was 36 when he was called so he was 10 years ahead of me. We still stay in fellowship to this day.

I have begun sharing my testimony with a conversation that was started about a week ago. If you like, contact me via the conversation option and I will pray about it and perhaps share what I've written thus far via that conversation.

Thanks for sharing your testimony. In what way are you one with the Trinity?

 

[Jane_Doe]

Unified, but separate. Understood. It seems, then that sometimes the word God means God the Father, and sometimes the word God means God the union. Is that a fair assessment?

Yes.

 

[withwonderingawe]

Thanks, my friend.

Please describe the one God who the three are. Is it like a group thing, as in one government over the earth, or is it something different?

Well Jane is doing a pretty good job but I'll add my thoughts. The word 'elohiym is plural and in Gen 1 the plural pronouns Us and Our are used to describe the Elohiym(s). The Gods created heaven and earth. However when a singular pronoun is used then it is read God/El.

Throughout Gen 1 God commands and then God does; "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament ..... And God made two great lights..."

In Isa 45 after declaring he Yahweh alone is God he stops short of taking all of the glory to himself;

"I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.....For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God/'elohiym himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else."

In Eph 3 and in many other places it says ".... the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ..."

So there is this idea that God the Father is in command and God the Son carries out his will.

" Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." John 5

Also between Gen 1& 2 there is a shift of whose creating, in the first God the Father creates and we believe this is the spiritual creation, all the host of heaven and earth and everything right down to the last blade of grass was created spiritually before it was in the earth and before it grew. Then Jesus/Yahweh creates from the dust the physical world we know.

When mankind fell the Father no longer spoke to man directly but through the Son as his agent and mediator between us. The only time the Father speaks is to say 'This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him'. So in the Old Testament Yahweh is always speaking but in the behave of the Father.

The Holy Spirit is also considered a third member of the Godhead, we actually know very little about him most assume he is another son of God. While the Father and Son are personages of matter or have bodies like our own the Holy Spirit has not taken on flesh (as Yet). His calling is to help assist in the communication we have with God, he speaks to us spirit to spirit, see Rom 8.

 

[spockrates]

Well Jane is doing a pretty good job but I'll add my thoughts. The word 'elohiym is plural and in Gen 1 the plural pronouns Us and Our are used to describe the Elohiym(s). The Gods created heaven and earth. However when a singular pronoun is used then it is read God/El.

Throughout Gen 1 God commands and then God does; "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament ..... And God made two great lights..."

In Isa 45 after declaring he Yahweh alone is God he stops short of taking all of the glory to himself;

"I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.....For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God/'elohiym himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else."

In Eph 3 and in many other places it says ".... the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ..."

So there is this idea that God the Father is in command and God the Son carries out his will.

" Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." John 5

Also between Gen 1& 2 there is a shift of whose creating, in the first God the Father creates and we believe this is the spiritual creation, all the host of heaven and earth and everything right down to the last blade of grass was created spiritually before it was in the earth and before it grew. Then Jesus/Yahweh creates from the dust the physical world we know.

When mankind fell the Father no longer spoke to man directly but through the Son as his agent and mediator between us. The only time the Father speaks is to say 'This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him'. So in the Old Testament Yahweh is always speaking but in the behave of the Father.

The Holy Spirit is also considered a third member of the Godhead, we actually know very little about him most assume he is another son of God. While the Father and Son are personages of matter or have bodies like our own the Holy Spirit has not taken on flesh (as Yet). His calling is to help assist in the communication we have with God, he speaks to us spirit to spirit, see Rom 8.

Yes, thank you, with wonderingawe. It seems trinitarians use the some of the same scriptures as support for their doctrine, too. But I can see both points of view. I think, perhaps it really comes down to figuring out if the three are in God or if God is in the three. Not sure if any biblical passages make that clear. If you can't recall any, no worries!

 

[spockrates]

Yes.

So when it comes to New Testament uses of the noun God, I wonder if we should determine whether the noun refers to a person or the union based on the context. For example, consider Paul's words to Timothy:

1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
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Here the noun God appears twice, but perhaps with two different meanings? For when he writes, "For there is one God," is he speaking of God the union? and when he writes, "between God and men," is he speaking of God the Father?

 

[Jane_Doe]

So when it comes to New Testament uses of the noun God, I wonder if we should determine whether the noun refers to a person or the union based on the context.

Speaking in general as to whether we should do this... sometimes it matters, sometimes it doesn't. For example, obviously only Christ is the Savior. But when "Gods says do X", it doesn't matter who exactly said it-- they are ONE.

For example, consider Paul's words to Timothy:

1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
​

Here the noun God appears twice, but perhaps with two different meanings? For when he writes, "For there is one God," is he speaking of God the union? and when he writes, "between God and men," is he speaking of God the Father?

Verse 3 is obviously referring to Christ, the Savior.
Verse 5 your could debate things, but I'm personally of the "it doesn't matter" camp.

 

[Kiwi Christian]

Hi. I'm wondering about comparing the different concepts of what some call the Godhead. I'm not sure, but I believe many Latter Day Saints believe in a Triad. I know many Christians believe in a Trinity. I'm wondering what the logical or scriptural arguments are to support each, so that I might compare the two and make up my own mind.

Please let me know if you're a Mormon and whether you believe in the Trinity or not, so I don't have to ask. If you have time, describe or define your preferred doctrine, even if you're a trinitarian, as I've found Christians sometimes have different ideas about why the Trinity is.

I'm currently a Methodist, which makes me a trinitarian, but I'm not looking for some kind of debate and don't care to convince anyone but myself. I do tend to ask a lot of simple questions, but won't be offended if one doesn't have time to answer them. I realize this is a debate forum and have no problem with others using this discussion for that purpose. I think I'd benefit from reading the comments of both sides.

I Hope to have a thoughtful and personally helpful conversation.

Mormons will deliberatly lie right off the bat.

Best to go to their leaders and read what they say.

No, mormonism does NOT teach the trinity.

Mormonism believes in many Gods and goddesses and you can become one.

“I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods.”. joseph smith

"Our father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father" (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:47).

"The Father is a glorified, perfected, resurrected, exalted man who worked out his salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same" (A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p. 64). This shows that God the father was once under ANOTHER Gods' law.

Joseph Smith: " I will preach on the plurality of Gods. I have selected this text for that express purpose. I wish to declare I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods. It has been preached by the Elders for fifteen years."

Joseph Smith: "The head God organized the heavens and the earth. I defy all the world to refute me. In the beginning the heads of the Gods organized the heavens and the earth."

He is our Father-the Father of our spirits, and was once a man in mortal flesh as we are, and is now an exalted Being. How many Gods there are, I do not know. But there never was a time when there were not Gods and worlds, and when men were not passing through the same ordeals that we are now passing through. Brigham Young - Mormon prophet. Journal of Discourses 7:333

God is a natural man... Where did he get his knowledge from? From his Father, just as we get knowledge from our earthly parents.Heber C. Kimball - First Presidency Counselor. Journal of Discourses 8:211. Again, we see that God the father was under ANOTHER God.

President Spencer W. Kimball [Mormon prophet in the mid 1970's] said in a general priesthood meeting: “Brethren, 225,000 of you are here tonight. I suppose 225,000 of you may become gods. There seems to be plenty of space out there in the universe. And the Lord has proved that he knows how to do it. I think he could make, or probably have us help make, worlds for all of us, for every one of us 225,000.". https://www.lds.org/general-confere...-privilege-of-holding-the-priesthood?lang=eng only DEITIES get their own planet to populate. So we are talking about Gods, not gods.

"Then will they become Gods...they will never cease to increase and to multiply, worlds without end. When they receive their crowns, their dominions, they then will be prepared to frame earths like unto ours and to people them in the same manner as we have been brought forth by our parents, by our Father and God” Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 17:143

 

[Kiwi Christian]

Did you know your avatar or profile pic is from witchcraft and satanism?

 

[Kiwi Christian]

As a mormon, do you believe the following?

1) God the father has not always been God the father?
2) God the father and Jesus are two seperate Gods?

Many thanks.

 

[Kiwi Christian]

"I'm currently a Methodist, which makes me a trinitarian,"

No, that does not make you a trinitarian.

What makes you a "trinitarian" is whether you believe the parts of the Bible that proves Jesus is God.

Here is something i like to give people to explain it better.

Did Jesus really say He was God?

That’s exactly how Jesus’ original audience seemed to take it when He said, “I and the Father are one.” In fact, the Jews were ready to kill Him right there! Why? “Because you,” they said, “a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33).

On another occasion, He used the personal name of Israel’s God–the name revealed to Moses (Exodus 3:14)–to refer to Himself. And He even used the Torah for context, so no one would misunderstand Him: “Before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). This would be about wild as telling a Muslim, “I am your God, Allah.” Don’t try that in Saudi Arabia! It’s no wonder the Jews tried to stone Him to death. That was the exact penalty for blasphemy under the Jewish legal system. It was pretty clear to everyone there that He was saying, “I am Israel’s God.”


Why Jesus is God? The Apostle Thomas called Jesus God.John 20:27-29: 2. The Apostle Peter called Jesus God.2 Peter 1:1: 3.The Apostle John called Jesus God.John 1:1-3, 4.God the Father called Jesus God.Hebrews 1:8: 5. God the Father called Jesus God. 6.Isaiah the Prophet said the Messiah would be God.Isaiah 9:67. The Jews who crucified Jesus understood Him to be saying that He was equal with God.John 5:18: 8.Jesus called Himself "I AM", the Old Testament name for God (Exodus 3:14).John 8:58-59. 9.Jesus calls Himself "the Alpha and Omega," the title of Almighty God.Revelation 22:12-13. 10. Like God (Gen. 1:1) Jesus created.Colossians 1:16-1711. Like God, Jesus forgives sin.Mark 2:5-7, 10-11:12. Like God, Jesus gives eternal life.John 10:27-28: 13. Like God, Jesus received, receives and will receive worship.Matthew 14:32-33. 14. Jesus said that only God was good; and Jesus was good. John 10:11: "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep."John 10:11: "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep."Jesus was as good as they come. He was "sinless," "holy," "righteous," "innocent," "undefiled," and "separate from sinners." (Hebrews 7:26) That's pretty good! 15. Like God, Jesus can be present in more than one place at the same time.Matthew 18:20: 16. One of Jesus' titles is "God with us."Matthew 1:23. 17. Jesus' blood is called God's blood.Acts 20:28: 18. Jesus has the same nature as God.Hebrews 1:3a: 19. Jesus spoke as God.Jesus did not speak as one of God's prophets: "thus says the Lord," but as God: "I say to you."Matthew 5:27-29. 20. Like God (Psalm 136:3), Jesus is called the Lord of Lords and King of kings.Revelation 17:14. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. ( WHEN WAS GOD PIERCED? ). And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel (means God Among Us).



John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 1:14, "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."

John 8:58 "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." Crossreference with Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

John 10:33 "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

John 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."

Collossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: "

Matthew 4:10 "Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." Crossreference with Matthew 2:2, Matthew 2:11, Matthew 28:9.

Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." Crossreference with Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he." and Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

 

[Jane_Doe]

Hi Kiwi Christian, I haven't seen your around this subforum before, welcome! This forum does have special rules listed on the front page, I recommend you review them.

No, mormonism does NOT teach the trinity.

Reposting this--
Anyways, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and Anthansian Christians both believe:
The Father is 100% divine.
The Son of God, Jesus Christ is 100% divine.
The Holy Spirit is 100% divine.
The Father, Son, and Spirit are all without beginning nor end. None of them is a “creation”.
The Father is not the Son, nor vice verse. Neither of them are the Spirit. They are 3 different persons.
The Father, Son, and Spirit together are 1 God.

The difference comes in:
--LDS believe that the Father, Son, and Spirit are 1 God through unity. LDS point to scripture as the source of this doctrine, including verses such as John 17:21.
--Anthansian Christians believe that the Father, Son, and Spirit are 1 God through co-substantiation, as stated in the Anthansian Creed.

Mormonism believes in many Gods and goddesses and you can become one.

LDS believe Through the amazing power of God we can become one with God--- join-heirs with Christ. Here's an article on the subject Becoming Like God and a bunch of scripture verses Man, Potential to Become like Heavenly Father

Hope that helps!

 

[Kiwi Christian]

Hi Kiwi Christian, I haven't seen your around this subforum before, welcome! This forum does have special rules listed on the front page, I recommend you review them.


Reposting this--
Anyways, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and Anthansian Christians both believe:
The Father is 100% divine.
The Son of God, Jesus Christ is 100% divine.
The Holy Spirit is 100% divine.
The Father, Son, and Spirit are all without beginning nor end. None of them is a “creation”.
The Father is not the Son, nor vice verse. Neither of them are the Spirit. They are 3 different persons.
The Father, Son, and Spirit together are 1 God.

The difference comes in:
--LDS believe that the Father, Son, and Spirit are 1 God through unity. LDS point to scripture as the source of this doctrine, including verses such as John 17:21.
--Anthansian Christians believe that the Father, Son, and Spirit are 1 God through co-substantiation, as stated in the Anthansian Creed.

LDS believe Through the amazing power of God we can become one with God--- join-heirs with Christ. Here's an article on the subject Becoming Like God and a bunch of scripture verses Man, Potential to Become like Heavenly Father

Hope that helps!

No, it does not, because I provided quotes from your leaders that prove you did not preset the truth.

I will repost.

“I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods.”. joseph smith

Bruce McConkie states: "Three separate personages---Father, Son, and Holy Ghost---comprise the Godhead…As each of these persons is a God, it is evident from this standpoint alone, that a plurality of Gods exists. To us…these three are the only Gods we worship" (Mormon Doctrine, p.576-7).


"Our father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father" (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:47).

Joseph Smith: " I will preach on the plurality of Gods. I have selected this text for that express purpose. I wish to declare I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods. It has been preached by the Elders for fifteen years."


Joseph Smith: "The head God organized the heavens and the earth. I defy all the world to refute me. In the beginning the heads of the Gods organized the heavens and the earth."

Please, my friend, address these quotes.

Also, you say "LDS believe Through the amazing power of God we can become one with God-"

This agian is a deceptive comment. Mormonism teaches not that you can become LIKE God, but that you can BECOME a God.

Your prophet said "It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, ...and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; ...you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another,... from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings. and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power" (History of the Church, Vol. 6, Ch. 14, p. 305-6).

"Then will they become Gods...they will never cease to increase and to multiply, worlds without end. When they receive their crowns, their dominions, they then will be prepared to frame earths like unto ours and to people them in the same manner as we have been brought forth by our parents, by our Father and God” Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 17:143


President Spencer W. Kimball [Mormon prophet in the mid 1970's] said in a general priesthood meeting: “Brethren, 225,000 of you are here tonight. I suppose 225,000 of you may become gods. There seems to be plenty of space out there in the universe. And the Lord has proved that he knows how to do it. I think he could make, or probably have us help make, worlds for all of us, for every one of us 225,000.". https://www.lds.org/general-confere...-privilege-of-holding-the-priesthood?lang=eng only DEITIES get their own planet to populate. So we are talking about Gods, not gods.


You said that you believe that God the father is eternal.

Has He always been God the father? That was my question.

You also said that Jesus is eternal.

This is not what mormonism teaches.

Mormonism teaches that Jesus started as a spirit baby of elohim and one of his goddess wives. The physical body of Jesus was, according to mormonism produced by natural, physical means between God the father and mary.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Please, my friend, address these quotes.

I did:
Anyways, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and Anthansian Christians both believe:
The Father is not the Son, nor vice verse. Neither of them are the Spirit. They are 3 different persons.

The difference comes in:
--LDS believe that the Father, Son, and Spirit are 1 God through unity. LDS point to scripture as the source of this doctrine, including verses such as John 17:21.
--Anthansian Christians believe that the Father, Son, and Spirit are 1 God through co-substantiation, as stated in the Anthansian Creed.

Also, you say "LDS believe Through the amazing power of God we can become one with God-"

This agian is a deceptive comment. Mormonism teaches not that you can become LIKE God, but that you can BECOME a God.

A heir of God- joint-heir with Christ (Rom. 8:17), changed into the same image from glory to glory (2 Cor. 3:18), perfect, even as the Father (Matt. 5:48), we shall be like Him (1 Jn. 3:2), he that overcometh will sit with Christ in His throne (Rev. 3:21).

We believe all these verses.

 

[Kiwi Christian]

"Please, my friend, address these quotes."

"I did: "

No, you didnt.

“I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and THREE Gods.”. joseph smith

Bruce McConkie states: "Three separate personages---Father, Son, and Holy Ghost---comprise the Godhead…As each of these persons is a God, it is evident from this standpoint alone, that a plurality of Gods exists. To us…these three are the only Gods we worship" (Mormon Doctrine, p.576-7).

Address these two quotes and tell me they do not make your religion polytheistic, please.

 

[NYCGuy]

What does one through "unity" mean? Where does the LDS church define this oneness through "unity"? A link will suffice.

 

[Kiwi Christian]

--LDS believe that the Father, Son, and Spirit are 1 God through unity. LDS point to scripture as the source of this doctrine, including verses such as John 17:21.

IN UNITY, so not ONE GOD?

--Anthansian Christians believe that the Father, Son, and Spirit are 1 God through co-substantiation, as stated in the Anthansian Creed.

I prefer to stick with what the BIBLE says.

"A heir of God- joint-heir with Christ (Rom. 8:17), changed into the same image from glory to glory (2 Cor. 3:18), perfect, even as the Father (Matt. 5:48), we shall be like Him (1 Jn. 3:2), he that overcometh will sit with Christ in His throne (Rev. 3:21)."


Yes, LIKE Him does not mean we become a God, let alone a God of our planet which is what mormonism teaches.

I am NOT trying to be offensive, i just want you to be honest about what mormonism actually teaches.

Mormonism says there are many Gods and that you can become one, they say Jesus and satan are brothers, they say Jesus did NOT make atonement on the cross. They say God the father was once a MAN who had to EARN His way to become a God. They say you must learn secret handshakes and passwords and wear special underwear in order to live with God the father when you die. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that all human beings, male and female, are beloved spirit children of heavenly parents, a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother.

 

[NYCGuy]

It is always important to get under the surface of what Mormons claim when they say there is the same belief on something. For example, some Mormons may claim that they are in agreement with orthodox Christians on the belief that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are eternal. However, there is disagreement on what that actually means. Mormons claim that we are all eternal by virtue of having an eternal, uncreated "intelligence" at our core. It is that "intelligence", which is uncreated, that allows the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost to be termed "eternal", however it is also that "intelligence" that allows all of us to be considered eternal.

In relation to Jesus, it is important to understand that the Mormon teaching is that Jesus (known as Jehovah in the pre-mortal existence) is the literal firstborn spirit son of God the Father, and His spouse, Heavenly Mother. The Mormon church teaches that we are all literal spirit children of "heavenly parents", and that Jesus the literal firstborn of our heavenly parents.

This is why it is important to understand Mormon views on these words, as often, when you go under the surface, the stated similarity or equivalence isn't actually there.