With all your heart?

[Swag365]

Same question in post 174?

Myself! LOL.

 

[Albion]

Where can I find this "the just man falls seven times a day"? I don't think I have heard it before.

Proverbs 24:16

Luke 17:4

Matthew 18:21

 

[zoidar]

Do you love anyone with all your heart? Have you been completely obedient to that person?

Jesus says with all heart, soul and mind. I don't think I have done that, except possibly God.

 

[Hammster]

Ok, if this is true, can you show me somewhere in the Bible where Jesus says what he is telling us to do is for us to rely on His works?

It’s not a simple “here’s a verse” theology. But ask yourself, if the command is perfection, and you cannot be perfect, how do you expect to make it to heaven?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I’m saying that when you sin against someone, it’s evidence that you aren’t loving them with all of your heart.

Love has nothing to do with the heart literally, it’s a figure of speech. Love does not derive from the heart. So are you suggesting that we never fully love anyone or are you suggesting that our love for others fluctuates?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Jesus says with all heart, soul and mind. I don't think I have done that, except possibly God.

How do we measure something like love? I can’t think of anyone that I love more than someone else that I also love. What I mean is the love I feel seems equal for everyone I love.

 

[zoidar]

It’s not a simple “here’s a verse” theology. But ask yourself, if the command is perfection, and you cannot be perfect, how do you expect to make it to heaven?

That's the problem I see with this, that Jesus never says it. Of course it could be true anyway, just pointing out a problem.

I don't think we have to be perfect to come to heaven and I don't think Jesus asks that of us. I think Jesus is telling us to be perfect, because that should be our goal in every situation. I think the reason it's sin is because we could do otherwise, or else it wouldn't be sin. So can we love God with all our heart in a given situations? Yes! Do we always love God with all our heart? No!

 

[BNR32FAN]

Myself! LOL.

I don’t even obey myself sometimes lol

 

[Swag365]

Ok, if this is true, can you show me somewhere in the Bible where Jesus says what he is telling us to do is for us to rely on His works?

Some people even take that idea to an antinomian extreme. They'll say that they are not even bound to follow God's commands, things like "Jesus paid the price so that I don't have to" and so forth.

 

[Hammster]

Love has nothing to do with the heart literally, it’s a figure of speech. Love does not derive from the heart. So are you suggesting that we never fully love anyone or are you suggesting that our love for others fluctuates?

I think I was quite clear.

 

[zoidar]

It’s not a simple “here’s a verse” theology. But ask yourself, if the command is perfection, and you cannot be perfect, how do you expect to make it to heaven?

I just have to add. What you say is no stranger to me, since it's a classic Lutheran understanding. I was a Lutheran a few years back. I just question it now, even I like a lot about Lutherdom.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Some people even take that idea to an antinomian extreme. They'll say that they are not even bound to follow God's commands, things like "Jesus paid the price so that I don't have to" and so forth.

I think these are people who haven’t actually read the scriptures or are to proud to admit they were wrong when they do see the evidence refuting that theology. I think the majority of the time it’s people mimicking their Pastor because he is very influential on them. When they are confronted by others they simply want to reject any evidence presented to them because they lack discernment. They think oh there’s probably a verse somewhere that refutes this person’s theology I just don’t know where it is and so they stick to their beliefs ignorant of what the scriptures actually teach.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I think I was quite clear.

This is really discouraging brother. I honestly don’t know what you were implying. I’m just trying to find out so I can reply accordingly. So I’ll just reply to both situations. I honestly can’t measure the love I have for my wife & children for example. There’s no limit to my love for them. I can’t say that I love you this far or this much because nothing can really emphasize the magnitude of love I have for them and yet they’ve asked me to do things and I’ve said no sometimes. I never loved them less for any second of my life and my refusal to comply with their request was not due to any lack of love. So I see your assessment in this thread as being incorrect because I couldn’t possibly love my family any more than I already do and I guarantee you that I will refuse to do things they say sometimes. That right there tells me that your suggestion that if we truly love God we will be perfectly obedient to Him is incorrect.

 

[Swag365]

This is really discouraging brother. I honestly don’t know what you were implying. I’m just trying to find out so I can reply accordingly. So I’ll just reply to both situations. I honestly can’t measure the love I have for my wife & children for example. There’s no limit to my love for them. I can’t say that I love you this far or this much because nothing can really emphasize the magnitude of love I have for them and yet they’ve asked me to do things and I’ve said no sometimes. I never loved them less for any second of my life and my refusal to comply with their request was not due to any lack of love. So I see your assessment in this thread as being incorrect because I couldn’t possibly love my family any more than I already do and I guarantee you that I will refuse to do things they say sometimes. That right there tells me that your suggestion that if we truly love God we will be perfectly obedient to Him is incorrect.

Well I don't think this analogy holds because your wife and children will ask you for things that are not good, and which should be refused. God will never do that.

But maybe you can flesh out your analogy a bit with some specific examples?

 

[mlepfitjw]

When it comes to works, wouldn’t you say that it is just to love?

Faith and love are the only two basic commands for the Christian.

Can we love God? Yes, perfectly? No. Can Christians do whatever they want to? Yes, is everything good for them? No.

Somethings can get in the way and hinder us, we can’t love perfectly in our flesh, but by when the spirit is active, an we are walking by the spirit, we can and will love as God would desire us to.

• Towards any person, no matter who they are, or what they have done.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Well I don't think this analogy holds because your wife and children will ask you for things that are not good, and which should be refused. God will never do that.

But maybe you can flesh out your analogy a bit with some specific examples?

Nah sometimes my wife will tell me to clean up the cat puke on the floor while she’s playing around watching YouTube on her phone and I’m like that’s not my cat. I told you I didn’t want a cat that’s your cat. Then she always comes back with the whole what’s mine is half your’s and I’m just like yeah ok whatever, I’m not cleaning it. You wanted a car it’s your mess.

 

[Hammster]

This is really discouraging brother. I honestly don’t know what you were implying. I’m just trying to find out so I can reply accordingly. So I’ll just reply to both situations. I honestly can’t measure the love I have for my wife & children for example. There’s no limit to my love for them. I can’t say that I love you this far or this much because nothing can really emphasize the magnitude of love I have for them and yet they’ve asked me to do things and I’ve said no sometimes. I never loved them less for any second of my life and my refusal to comply with their request was not due to any lack of love. So I see your assessment in this thread as being incorrect because I couldn’t possibly love my family any more than I already do and I guarantee you that I will refuse to do things they say sometimes. That right there tells me that your suggestion that if we truly love God we will be perfectly obedient to Him is incorrect.

So when you sin against God, are you saying that you love Him with all your heart at that instant?

 

[nolidad]

Can we, in our fallen-but-redeemed state here on Earth, love God with all of our heart? Or does our flesh prevent us from doing so?

When we walk in the spirit we can love Him with our whole heart. When we walk in the flesh, we love HIm with crumbs , if that.

 

[BNR32FAN]

So when you sin against God, are you saying that you love Him with all your heart at that instant?

Yes of course, I don’t sin willfully. If I recognize something as a sin I don’t do it. It’s when I stumble that I sin.

 

[Kenny'sID]

So when you sin against God, are you saying that you love Him with all your heart at that instant?

Are you?

And have you gotten any correct answers to your questions yet, and if so, could you please let us know what the right anwers are?