With all your heart?

[Hammster]

Are those serious or rhetorical questions? Regardless, yes, we should be thankful to God for the food that we find on our plates, which is precisely why we say grace before meals.

They are serious rhetorical questions. You couldn’t seem to see how one could glorify God when buying oj. So the question were put forth to help you understand.

I assume that this is more of a general statement than one directed at me in particular. Yes, I agree. Someone who eats, drinks, or otherwise enjoys life without having God in mind and not giving him thanks for it, would not be loving God with all of his heart.

And since you asked about OJ, it appears that it applies to you.

But is that possible? I say yes. Why don't we start right now and try?

We absolutely should try. God is worth it.

 

[Hammster]

Yes I think we are capable of loving God with all our heart.

Why don’t you?

 

[Hammster]

I should make it clearer what I meant: "Do you think Jesus demands that (sinless perfection) of us to be saved?"

No, of course not. That would make the cross unnecessary and cruel.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Why don’t you?

I do

 

[Hammster]

I do

So you are without sin? You glorify God in every word, thought, and deed?

 

[BNR32FAN]

So you are without sin? You glorify God in every word, thought, and deed?

So what your saying is that we can’t love anyone with all our heart? Do you love no one with all your heart? If you do have you obeyed everything they’ve told you to do?

 

[zoidar]

No, of course not. That would make the cross unnecessary and cruel.

Agree, but I don't understand, if Jesus means we are to live in sinless perfection, why does he tell us this since we can't?

 

[BNR32FAN]

So you are without sin? You glorify God in every word, thought, and deed?

I love God with all my heart, I love my parents with all my heart, I love my wife with all my heart, I love my children with all my heart, and I’ve been completely obedient to none of them even despite the fact that I would give my life for any one of them.

 

[Swag365]

You couldn’t seem to see how one could glorify God when buying oj.

You jumped to an incorrect conclusion on that one. No worries.

And since you asked about OJ, it appears that it applies to you.

That's a bit amusing. You seem to be a bit fascinated with proving that other people are sinful, or that they do not love God with all their heart. As I said before, that is practically the easiest thing in the world to prove. I am not sure why you keep devoting time to it.

We absolutely should try. God is worth it.

Amen.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You jumped to an incorrect conclusion on that one. No worries.

That's a bit amusing. You seem to be a bit fascinated with proving that other people are sinful, or that they do not love God with all their heart. As I said before, that is practically the easiest thing in the world to prove. I am not sure why you keep devoting time to it.

Amen.

Disobedience doesn’t prove an absence or lack of love.

 

[zoidar]

Disobedience doesn’t prove an absence or lack of love.

I think it does, kind of...

 

[Albion]

From what I understood from what @Hammster wrote, he was taking the position that even everything that a post-conversion "saved" Christian does is sin, if not done for the explicit glory of God. But perhaps I misunderstood him, or that view.

I agree that a sin is anything (act, thought, omission) which falls short of the perfection of God.

 

[Swag365]

Disobedience doesn’t prove an absence or lack of love.

I would probably disagree with you there, friend. An absence of love, no. But a lack of love yes. Were it not the case, I think we would have to conclude that all Christians love God equally.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I think it does, kind of...

Do you love anyone with all your heart? Have you been completely obedient to that person?

 

[Hammster]

So what your saying is that we can’t love anyone with all our heart? Do you love no one with all your heart? If you do have you obeyed everything they’ve told you to do?

I’m saying that when you sin against someone, it’s evidence that you aren’t loving them with all of your heart.

 

[Swag365]

I agree that a sin is anything (act, thought, omission) which falls short of the perfection of God.

You just sinned by writing that then?

 

[Hammster]

Agree, but I don't understand, if Jesus means we are to live in sinless perfection, why does he tell us this since we can't?

It humbles us and causes us to rely on His works, not ours.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I would probably disagree with you there, friend. An absence of love, no. But a lack of love yes. Were it not the case, I think we would have to conclude that all Christians love God equally.

Same question in post 174?

 

[zoidar]

To that, I only repeat: "If you love me, you will keep my commandments".

No, I take that back. I also add: we have the 'old man' still in us, until the day we die. You want "demand" to imply "attainable". I do see God has provided a way, but I do not see it possible, by God's design, except for Christ, who was without sin. Particularly for the lost it can be shown that though God demands of them holiness, it is, according to Scripture not even possible for them, they have no way to obey, because they always WILL not, being at enmity with God.

Maybe I'm stepping out of line saying this at this point in the thread, but I think this is what Hammster was building up to: "The command does not imply the ability to obey the command." It may sound outrageous, yet even among humans (not just with God) we see this every day. You may argue then, that with God it MUST be otherwise --just, truthful, straightforward-- he would not justly command something he did not expect to happen (I would interject here, What does "expect" mean, when it comes to God?). I am reminded of the tree that out of season he looked to for fruit, and when it didn't produce any he cursed it and it died. That's not FAIR! we want to say. But we know better. God can do as he wishes --including to command us to do something we are unable to do.

But, if we want to obey, he has provided a way.

The reason it's called sin isn't that because we could do otherwise? If we can't do what Jesus asks of us, is it then sin when we fail?

 

[zoidar]

It humbles us and causes us to rely on His works, not ours.

Ok, if this is true, can you show me somewhere in the Bible where Jesus says what he is telling us to do is for us to rely on His works?