Wisconsin Conservative Group Finds ‘No Evidence Of Widespread Fraud’ In 2020 Election

[The Barbarian]

We'll probably be seeing stories like this for a very long time. But it's notable that even right-wing republicans are getting tired of the clown show.

Wisconsin Conservative Group Finds ‘No Evidence Of Widespread Fraud’ In 2020 Election
A 10-month-long review of Wisconsin’s 2020 election conducted by a conservative group in the state found no signs of widespread or significant election fraud, according to a new report of its findings, further disproving continued baseless allegations of election fraud as the battleground state undergoes a contentious partisan election audit.

 

[Albion]

You really shouldn't confine yourself to media outlets whose reports are guaranteed to be ones you hope to find. The trick in all of these reports--as almost always is the case--is that the apologists for election irregularities throw in terms like "Widespread Fraud" in order to be able to justify dismissing all fraud.

Remember that it's not necessary for each one of the 50 states to have allowed huge numbers of votes to be counted to have changed the election. A relatively small number of votes in key states would have done that, and Wisconsin was one of them.

Getting back to the "widespread fraud" excuse, what the investigation you are referring to found was thousands and thousands of votes that were cast wrongly and allowed. People who voted in the precinct but also had a mail-in vote recorded; voters who had moved before voting started but voted anyway; illegible signatures that were allowed in defiance of the rules; and on and on.

There were many more votes counted than should have been counted. That's what the report you are commenting on showed.

But of course, if the magic words "No Evidence of Widespread Fraud" are added, the whitewashing of the findings is made fairly easy to accomplish.

And what does "widespread" mean, anyway? A thousand votes?, tens of thousands? It means whatever the reporter wants it to mean! And notice as well that whatever the writer thinks should count as "widespread" is never identified. It's just said, and the denial is done.

 

[The Barbarian]

You really shouldn't confine yourself to media outlets whose reports are guaranteed to be ones you hope to find. The trick in all of these reports--as almost always is the case--is that the apologists for election irregularities throw in terms like "Widespread Fraud" in order to be able to justify dismissing all fraud.

Yeah, for example, there were four proven cases of voter fraud in the 2016 presidential election. Three were for Trump.

When the "Cyberninjas" showed that Biden actually won by a larger margin in Arizona than the official tabulation first showed, the difference was too small to have made a difference, even if those votes had been for Trump. And there were a few cases of voter fraud located even before the audit, but not even close to enough to have swayed the vote. How many were for Trump is unknown, but we do know that the one case of a dead person voting in Nevada was for Trump. The dead person's husband was recently arrested for that fraud:

Donald Kirk Hartle, a Republican, had claimed that someone voted in the 2020 election by using the mail-in ballot of his wife, who died in 2017. He now faces two counts of voter fraud.
Nevada Man Is Charged With Voting Using His Dead Wife’s Ballot

Getting back to the "widespread fraud" excuse, what the investigation you are referring to found was thousands and thousands of votes that were cast wrongly and allowed. People who voted in the precinct but also had a mail-in vote recorded; voters who had moved before voting started but voted anyway; illegible signatures that were allowed in defiance of the rules; and on and on.

Not according to the auditors, a partisan group hired by republicans to check the vote:


At Long Last, the Much Maligned Arizona Election Audit Results Are In: Biden Won – Again
The long, drawn out process of auditing the 2020 presidential election results in Maricopa County has concluded that Joe Biden did indeed win Arizona’s largest county.

The audit was conducted by a company called Cyber Ninjas, which had never analyzed an election before. Moreover, the company’s CEO Doug Logan had appeared in a film containing baseless claims about the 2020 election. As part of the process, auditors at one point examined ballots for bamboo fibers because of a rumor that they had been flown in from East Asia.

One former Republican attorney general of Arizona called the whole thing a “kangaroo audit” that’s being conducted by “some real nutcases.”

Nevertheless, the audit has concluded that Biden won the county, reported ABC15 in Phoenix on Thursday night. The station obtained a draft copy of the report via a public records request.


“The draft of the forensic audit’s hand count totals of paper ballots was not substantially different than Maricopa County’s official numbers,” the report states. “In both counts, Biden wins.”
At Long Last, the Much Maligned Arizona Election Audit Results Are In: Biden Won – Again - ENM NEWS

 

[The Barbarian]

And what does "widespread" mean, anyway?

Enough that it could conceivably have changed the outcome, according to Cyberninjas. Makes sense to me.

 

[Albion]

Enough that it could conceivably have changed the outcome, according to Cyberninjas. Makes sense to me.

They never say that, though, do they? And, of course, they do not know.

It would take only a few thousand votes in most of the challenged states to turn the election. Certainly nothing like Stacy Abrams' puffery about her having been cheated out of the Georgia gubernatorial election by about 55,000 votes (!) or Hillary's claim about being cheated out of the 2016 election even after recounts in the states she said she unfairly lost.

 

[Martinius]

You can read the report from the Institute on their website:
Election Integrity - Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty (will-law.org)

Here's what they stated about evidence of voter fraud:
"In all likelihood, more eligible voters cast ballots for Joe Biden than Donald Trump. We found limited instances where ineligible persons voted or attempted to cast ballots. We found no evidence of more than one vote being cast in the name of the same voter. And our analysis of the results and voting patterns does not give rise to an inference of fraud."

On voting machines:
"WE FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS WITH VOTING MACHINES.
"Donald Trump won communities that used Dominion voting machines with 57.2%, an increase from 2016. WILL’s review found that jurisdictions that used Dominion voting machines had no effect on the expected vote total."

On possible anomalies in voting patterns:
"In general, the 2020 election in Wisconsin aligned with long-term statewide and national trends of Democratic gains in the cities and suburbs, coupled with increased Republican margins in rural areas. Joe Biden overperformed Democratic congressional candidates, while Trump underperformed Republican congressional candidates. And 2020 was a return to more conventional levels of write-in and third-party voting."

This group reviewed about 50,000 votes, out of 3.2 million cast for President in 2020. One thing I didn't find was info on which votes were reviewed. It appears to have been some sort of sampling.

One might wonder about Biden over-performing Democratic Congressional candidates and Trump underperforming Republican candidates. Evidence of fraud? No. Some Republicans voted for Biden and for their Republican Congressperson or candidate. Wisconsinites are noted for voting split ballots, rather than for a straight party ticket. Plus, most of us like our local elected officials more than those elected to federal office.

The report did point to areas of concern that need to be fixed. But we already knew that. So, my overall reaction is that there is nothing of real interest here.

 

[FreeinChrist]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...er-death-conservative-group-debunks-it-again/

Repeatedly now, conservatives who are sympathetic to voter-fraud allegations have conducted audits in the key states that Donald Trump contested in 2020. And repeatedly, they have come up empty when it comes to finding anything amounting to the widespread fraud that Trump claimed — and they have often explicitly debunked him.

The latest example comes in Wisconsin, where the conservative Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty conducted its own 10-month review parallel to the one spearheaded by state legislative Republicans. Its report argues that certain procedures weren’t adequately followed. But on the big issue of voter fraud — the one Trump and his allies have hyped as proof that he actually won — the institute is pretty emphatic in its conclusion.

“There was no evidence of widespread voter fraud,” the report says. “In all likelihood, more eligible voters cast ballots for Joe Biden than Donald Trump. We found little direct evidence of fraud, and for the most part, an analysis of the results and voting patterns does not give rise to an inference of fraud.”

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They also said there was no ballot dump.

 

[Brihaha]

Perhaps if they audit states trump won they could find that elusive "electoral fraud" trump has whined about since 2016! (Ted Cruz beat trump in the Iowa caucus.)

 

[Blade]

Its Dec 2021.. thanks. I again like always did more searching in this.. not google or bing or some right left site.. just what I like to do. There was more they said did they not?

"The report found "there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud" as the term is typically defined. However, WILL concluded fraud may be more difficult to identify because clerks around the state did not follow the same procedures."

"WILL’s team examined about 20,000 ballots and found no signs the ballots were fraudulent or miscounted.".

What always gets me wondering is.. the fraud that has happen.. those stories for the most part just don't get shared. Odd. That state did so many mistakes. Then the play with words (not here) we read. Well no "wide spreed fraud" yet fraud did happen. Or the flip "no fraud at all happened. If you've been around you know every 4years every 2 years fraud happens. For the most part we never hear about the state courts and all those they over turn because of fraud.

To know as of late some still believe an election was stolen.. not talking Trump. To know some still will not concede. I think its sad what that state had to do.. I understand Dem or Rep each has the right to question recount (please lets remember that) but it cost those people over $600k Be nice to say "you lost.. you want to run again you can". Then thats it. Dem Rep..all do this.

 

[The Barbarian]

They never say that, though, do they? And, of course, they do not know.

They claim they know. Even a far-right republican "auditor" now says that Biden won in Arizona by a bigger margin than the county initially reported. Some of the "errors" took votes away from him, and the audit caught that. Turns out, Trump also got less votes than the county initially reported. How many of these were fraudulent is not known, but it any case it would not have affected the outcome.

It would take only a few thousand votes in most of the challenged states to turn the election.

Hence, Trump trying to pressure the Georgia Secretary of State to "find" enough votes to win...
“The people of Georgia are angry. The people of the country are angry, and there's nothing wrong with saying that, you know, that you've recalculated,” Trump said on the call. "All I want to do is this: I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have... Fellas, I need 11,000 votes, give me a break."
Trump demands Georgia secretary of state 'find' enough votes to hand him win

He begged them to steal the election for him.

Hillary's claim about being cheated out of the 2016 election even after recounts in the states she said she unfairly lost.

Actually, she conceded the night of the election in a phone call to Donald Trump...

• Hillary Clinton called president elect Donald Trump to concede at about 2:30 a.m.

With supporters shell-shocked, Clinton privately concedes in phone call to Trump

As you know, Donald Trump, being the sore loser he is, is still whimpering about losing.

That's the primary difference between Clinton and a loser. She got over it. He can't.

 

[miamited]

Hi @Albion,

How big of a case of straws did you buy? You must have gotten a fairly large case. You seem to always be drawing at more and more of them and never running out.

God bless,
Ted

 

[miamited]

They never say that, though, do they? And, of course, they do not know.

It would take only a few thousand votes in most of the challenged states to turn the election. Certainly nothing like Stacy Abrams' puffery about her having been cheated out of the Georgia gubernatorial election by about 55,000 votes (!) or Hillary's claim about being cheated out of the 2016 election even after recounts in the states she said she unfairly lost.

Hi @Albion

Question: What does something that happened several years ago in a contest with Stacy Abrams, who complained for a couple of weeks about being cheated out of an election, and then accepting the fact that it was really a fair fought election and sitting down and shutting up, have to do with the circus act the Trumpians are putting on today? The same with Mrs. Clinton. Yes, she immediately decried that the election must have somehow been unfair, and she at least had a somewhat valid complaint... she did win the popular vote and that has never been challenged or denied. But then she accepted the outcome of the election and moved on.

Now we have people, who more than a year after the election, without more than a half dozen instances of some people attempting to perpetrate an individual fraud with their personal vote or someone's vote that they were able to have charge over, crying like little babies that aren't able to suckle the big teet, that the election was in error somehow. Despite there not being a single, that's right, not one single piece of evidence to support such a position. Every check has found a few dozen or hundred votes that were miscounted by some clerical error and I'm confident that if we were to check any previous election as closely as this last one, we'd find those same minor errors.

Why can't you people just accept the truth and understand that the man you're making a demagogue of is a liar and a cheat? Now, Giuliani is coming out with some claim that he has 900 verified death certificates of people who voted who were dead at the time of the election. No evidence, understand, just like Lindell. Making wild and accusatory claims without even a shred of evidence to support it. But the Trumpians just continue to follow the battle cry, "We've been cheated!!!" Such a bunch of immature cry babys. People with absolutely no wisdom following a man with absolutely no morals.

Is this really the godly battle that you're going to die on the hill of Calvary over? What will you do when you've actually got to admit, that either the Democrats are soooo much smarter than the Republicans that they were able to pull some vast election fraud over the entire nation...or it's all just been a pack of lies from the beginning. If the Democrats are really as smart enough to pull this off as some suppose, honestly, they deserve to be in power. They're just soooo much smarter at everything.

God bless,
Ted

 

[The Barbarian]

And then, there was this...

While publicists aren’t generally known for their threatening demeanor, Kanye West’s right-hand woman sent his to the home of a 62-year-old Georgia election official to threaten her into falsely confessing to bogus charges of election tampering in the days before Jan. 6.

The incident happened in the weeks after the 2020 election, according to Reuters, which obtained a police report and body-cam footage of the confrontation and interviewed Freeman.
...
Raffensperger’s office concluded that the video depicted normal ballot counting, but that didn’t stop Freeman and Moss from receiving an avalanche of death threats and harassment.

One of the most bizarre—and scary—threats came from Trevian Kutti, according to Reuters, whose online résumé says she started working as West’s publicist in 2018 and is now his director of operations.
...
In body-cam footage from an officer on the other side of the room, which Reuters obtained through a public-records request, Kutti can be heard saying, “I cannot say what specifically will take place... I just know that it will disrupt your freedom and the freedom of one or more of your family members.”
...
The following day, the FBI advised Freeman to leave her house due to threats to her safety. The day after that—48 hours after Kutti’s visit—a group of Trump supporters swarmed Freeman’s home with bullhorns. She didn’t return home for another two months, according to her lawsuit.
Kanye’s Publicist Turned Up at Georgia Election Worker’s Home With a Creepy Message: Report

The plan backfired because this woman had more fiber than most people. What if she hadn't? Kutti needs a few years in an orange jumpsuit.

 

[JacksBratt]

We'll probably be seeing stories like this for a very long time. But it's notable that even right-wing republicans are getting tired of the clown show.

Wisconsin Conservative Group Finds ‘No Evidence Of Widespread Fraud’ In 2020 Election
A 10-month-long review of Wisconsin’s 2020 election conducted by a conservative group in the state found no signs of widespread or significant election fraud, according to a new report of its findings, further disproving continued baseless allegations of election fraud as the battleground state undergoes a contentious partisan election audit.

I could search and find reports that state one side or the other. However, if you look at the ratings of left wing advocates like Don Lemon and the like you will start to see that people are waking up to what sources to listen to and which ones not to.

Biden is now underwater in the polls and still diving. Kamala is even worse. Typically the leaders who are in this state at the polls will lose seats in the mid terms.

This is just good news as this may mean the border wall will continue, the border will close up, the country will go back to being energy self sufficient, they can stop the out of control inflation and get people back to work. Cops can get the support they need and crime will start to come down.. And maybe, just maybe... Justice will come to those who deserve it.

A good sign is that Kyle Rittenhouse was found not guilty and Jussie Smollet was found guilty.. There is hope yet.. The light at the end of the tunnel is dim but not turned off.

 

[The Barbarian]

This is just good news as this may mean the border wall will continue,

That kinda took a hit when Trump's chief of staff turned out to have been skimming donations to further his lavish lifestyle.

the border will close up,

Turns out that if we did that, there'd be a recession that would make the Trump recession look minor.

the country will go back to being energy self sufficient,

We've been a net exporter of petroleum for a while now. You didn't know?

they can stop the out of control inflation

That will depend on whether or not Biden can fix the supply chain problems Trump left for him. You did know that is the source of the inflation, right?

and get people back to work.

Let's take a look...

Cops can get the support they need

Mostly, the problems relate to training, getting the resources to do the job, and cleaning out the radicals who have been trying to infiltrate police departments.

The FBI has long been concerned about the infiltration of law enforcement by white supremacist groups and its impact on police abuse and tolerance of racism, the unredacted version of a previously circulated document reveals.

The FBI threat assessment report was released by Rep. Jamie Raskin, chair of the House Committee on Oversight and Reform’s Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Subcommittee, ahead of a hearing about the white supremacist infiltration of local police departments scheduled for Tuesday.

A heavily redacted version of the 2006 document had previously been published, one of a handful of documents revealing federal officials’ growing concern with white supremacists’ “historical” interest in “infiltrating law enforcement communities or recruiting law enforcement personnel.” A different internal document obtained by The Intercept in 2017 had also noted that “domestic terrorism investigations focused on militia extremists, white supremacist extremists, and sovereign citizen extremists often have identified active links to law enforcement officers.”
Unredacted FBI Document Sheds New Light on White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement

and crime will start to come down..

Crime, particularly violent crime, has been dropping for decades. Violent crime dropped significantly over the Obama years, and the "Trump bump" in violent crime is likely to abate over the next few years.

And maybe, just maybe... Justice will come to those who deserve it.

It's a slow process, but it's coming...
Capitol Breach Cases

 

[miamited]

Hi @JacksBratt

This is just good news as this may mean the border wall will continue, the border will close up, the country will go back to being energy self sufficient, they can stop the out of control inflation and get people back to work. Cops can get the support they need and crime will start to come down.. And maybe, just maybe... Justice will come to those who deserve it.

I wasn't even aware that you had such problems in Canada. Does your PM know? We've got some wall, already set up that some of us would be happy to give you to start your border wall. Canada not being as big, population wise, as the U.S., I'd have thought you were already net exporters of crude. Last I read you guys were pumping out 4,596,724.82 barrels per day. If you need it, why are you sending it down to us through the trans-Canada pipeline? You can keep it for yourselves if you need to, we have plenty. The U. S. has been a net exporter for some time, but admittedly a lot of our crude is shale derived which isn't particularly sweet. Not like WTI crude.

I wish you the best with your national problems. Maybe you could find a PM that thinks more like you do.

God bless,
Ted

 

[JacksBratt]

Hi @JacksBratt



I wasn't even aware that you had such problems in Canada. Does your PM know? We've got some wall, already set up that some of us would be happy to give you to start your border wall. Canada not being as big, population wise, as the U.S., I'd have thought you were already net exporters of crude. Last I read you guys were pumping out 4,596,724.82 barrels per day. If you need it, why are you sending it down to us through the trans-Canada pipeline? You can keep it for yourselves if you need to, we have plenty. The U. S. has been a net exporter for some time, but admittedly a lot of our crude is shale derived which isn't particularly sweet. Not like WTI crude.

I wish you the best with your national problems. Maybe you could find a PM that thinks more like you do.

God bless,
Ted

Canada is like the little brother of the US. What happens to you eventually and surely affects us.

Luckily, the US/Canada border is well protected by officers of customs for both countries.

We, so far, don't have caravans of sex traffickers, and drug cartels streaming across into Canada bringing un vaccinated, un vetted, non-Canadians into the country with no control. Or, going into the US from Canada either.

 

[miamited]

Hi @JacksBratt

I'm pretty sure that Canada does have sex trafficking. It may not come in caravans, but then neither does ours. Our sex trafficking trade generally comes across more deliberately than some massive caravan of people. Similarly with our drug trade. The caravans you speak of aren't the main source of our drug trafficking. The caravanners don't get through fast enough and are much to well checked to be carrying a profitable amount of drugs for the trade. Sex trafficking and drug trafficking are both problems that have been going on for several decades and how easily or not people cross our border, doesn't seem to have much effect on either.

We have the exact same problem with sex trafficking and drug trafficking as you do and it comes from pretty much the same sources: These 9 maps show where Canada’s illegal drugs are coming from | Globalnews.ca

"In Canada, human trafficking often takes place in large urban centres, and also occurs in smaller cities and communities, largely for the purpose of sexual exploitation. We know that men, women and children fall victim to this crime, although women represent the majority of victims in Canada to date."
From 2gov.bc.ca

So, you can stay up there on that big high horse if you like. You can believe of yourself to have all the answers to these problems that you mention. But your problems with drug trafficking and sex trafficking didn't start when the U.S. elected Pres. Biden to office. As far as I'm aware, your problems in these areas wasn't relieved while Trump was in office. Those that come across the border do not come across in caravans. They travel across Mexico in a caravan, but when they get to the border, they come across like everyone else. One at a time and are then processed just like anyone else who presents at our southern border for entry into the United States.

As far as vaccines, it has been a real struggle here in the states to have a solid vaccination requirement policy. As it has also been in many other nations. Forcing people to be vaccinated against this deadly pandemic has not been well received. Canada has had its own problems in this regard, also.

But just so you know that I am aware that most of your complaint is just scare mongering with false facts, which we've honestly got enough of here in the states without our 'brotherly' neighbor to the north ganging on. We've all got national problems, but they are better dealt with in truth and not mudslinging a bunch of half baked 'facts'.

God bless,
Ted

 

[JimR-OCDS]

So the article states.............“There was no evidence of widespread voter fraud,” the report says. “In all likelihood, more eligible voters cast ballots for Joe Biden than Donald Trump. We found little direct evidence of fraud, and for the most part, an analysis of the results and voting patterns does not give rise to an inference of fraud.”

So no evidence of "widespread" fraud. Does this means there was fraud ?

Not enough to overturn the results, but shouldn't there be no fraud ?

 

[Albion]

So no evidence of "widespread" fraud. Does this means there was fraud ?

Not enough to overturn the results, but shouldn't there be no fraud ?

That's right. For one thing, fraud was discovered on the part of election officials, but in addition many of the policy changes that were made for this past presidential election virtually invited fraud.