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Will the Rapture happen before or during 2014? Please watch this video...thoughts?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Purple Hyacinth, Jul 20, 2013.

  1. gasman64

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    Everything you just quoted has nothing to do with an satanic mastermind. You and I are the man of sin. Only the carnal nature is considered the enemy of God. The rest is just conspiracy fantasies and fear mongering and shows a complete lack of understanding how to interpret scripture and no knowledge of biblical symbology. All scripture must fall into line with the true nature of God. He is not out to get us all. Maybe you want people to be tormented. Especially those who have offended you. The will of God does not include this. :cool:
     
  2. gasman64

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    The apocolyptic style of writing from the 1st century made Nero into the anti-christ. Nearly every generation has their own idea who they think the anti-christ is from popes to kings to Napoleon to Hitler. They can't all be right and normally they aren't. This generation is no different or wiser. :cool:
     
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    No, because no man has ever sat in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaimed himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:3b-4, Daniel 11:36,31, cf. Matthew 24:15), just as no man has ever fulfilled other detailed references to the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) in Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 16:2-16, Revelation 19:19-21, and 2 Thessalonians 2:8-9.

    The Antichrist will fulfill 2 Thessalonians 2:4 after he by force takes control of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem, stops the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices (which the ultra-Orthodox Jews will have been offering in front of it), and has the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the temple (Daniel 11:31,36, Matthew 24:15).

    The Antichrist could then make quite a show of his sitting himself in the temple and declaring himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36,31). And he could make a television and internet broadcast of it which will be seen live by the world (so that the "ye" in Matthew 24:15 could include people all around the world). He could first be shown entering the temple's most holy place in magnificent golden robes. He could then step up to the Ark of the Covenant (which could have been discovered, and placed in the temple by the Jews), and lift the Mercy Seat off of the Ark, showing the Ark to be empty. He could then look into the camera and say: "Where is YHWH? He is not here! He is a distant fraud! His power on this earth is as hollow as this empty Ark!" (The Antichrist will utterly revile YHWH: Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36.)

    Then the Antichrist could raise the Mercy Seat high above his head only to suddenly smash it down violently to the ground, breaking it into pieces. The piped-in sound of crowds roaring with approval could then be heard in the background. Then the Antichrist could place his hands on the Ark and stare into the camera: "WE can do better than this". He could then knock over the Ark and stamp it with his foot, bashing in its side. Two of the Antichrist's followers in robes could then quickly come in and clear away the rubble of the Mercy Seat and the Ark, while 4 more men in robes carry into the temple's most holy place a magnificent golden throne and place it right where the Ark had been before. All the men could then bow down and motion with their arms for the Antichrist to sit on the throne. He could then grandly take his seat upon it.

    Glorious symphonic music could then swell as the sound of crowds roaring with approval increases. Then the Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 19:20) (who could be an apostate pope) could enter the temple's most holy place and approach the Antichrist carrying a majestic golden crown encrusted with large diamonds and all kinds of precious stones. The Antichrist could take the crown from the pope's hands, and as the Antichrist is placing the crown on his own head, a camera could zoom in on his face as he says: "I AM THAT I AM. I AM YOUR GOD. Worship me, all ye nations of the earth!"

    (cf. Revelation 13:8, Daniel 11:36; 2 Thessalonians 2:4)

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    Any mistaken teaching which claims that the Antichrist has already come and gone could be employed in the future by the real Antichrist to fool some Christians into thinking that he isn't the Antichrist.

    Nero didn't fulfill the detailed references to the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) in Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 16:2-16, Revelation 19:19-21, and Revelation 20:4. Also, Nero didn't fulfill other prophecies regarding the Antichrist (e.g. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-9, Daniel 11:31,36; cf. Matthew 24:15). And John the apostle didn't see the vision of Revelation until decades after the time of Nero. For Irenaeus (born c. 140 AD) said: "We will not, however, incur the risk of pronouncing positively as to the name of Antichrist; for if it were necessary that his name should be distinctly revealed in this present time, it would have been announced by him [John] who beheld the apocalyptic vision [Revelation]. For that was seen no very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian's reign" (Against Heresies 5:30:3c). The end of Domitian's reign was 96 AD. Nero's reign was 54-68 AD. The detailed prophecies regarding the Antichrist, just as the rest of the tribulation prophecies of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, have never been fulfilled.

    Regarding the claim (made by some) that Nero's name in Hebrew added up to 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18), is there an ancient historical source which shows how "Nero Caesar" was usually transliterated into Hebrew at the time that Revelation was written, so we can confirm whether or not the usual Hebrew transliteration of "Nero Caesar" added up to 666 in Hebrew gematria, instead of an intentionally-altered Hebrew spelling? For example, why was an "n" added after "Nero", to make "Neron"; and why was the "ae" of "Caesar" skipped to make "Csar", when, for example, the "ae" in "Israel" gets at least an "aleph" in Hebrew? Could "Neron Csar" in fact be an intentionally-altered, never-actually-used spelling that adds up to 666, just as people today could intentionally mistransliterate into Hebrew the name of someone living today so that the mistransliterated name adds up to 666 in Hebrew gematria? Also, just by chance there could be more than one person in the world whose name adds up to 666. So even if it could be proven that the usual Hebrew spelling of "Nero Caesar" added up to 666, or that the usual spelling of the name of someone living today adds up to 666, this doesn't require that that person is the Antichrist.

    Also, should we even assume that the Antichrist's name has to be transliterated into Hebrew for it to add up to 666? For Revelation was originally addressed to Greek-speaking Gentile churches in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:11) (what's now western Turkey), not to Hebrew-speaking Jewish churches in Judaea. And John the apostle used 3 letters from the Greek alphabet to express the number 666 in Revelation 13:18 (in the original Greek Textus Receptus), not any letters from the Hebrew alphabet. (But this doesn't require that the Antichrist's name has to be transliterated into Greek in order for it to add up to 666, for John used the Greek alphabet only because it was the most common one used by the believers he was addressing at the time Revelation was written.) Also, even when "Nero Caesar" (instead of "Neron Csar") is transliterated into Hebrew, it doesn't have to result in the name adding up to 666:

    N - Nun = 50 (cf. the "Ne" in "Nebo" in the Hebrew of Num. 32:3: Nun for the "N" and nothing for the "e")
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    R - Reysh = 200
    O - Vav = 6 (cf. the "o" in "Nebo" in the Hebrew of Num. 32:3 being the letter Vav)

    C - Qowph = 100 (cf. "Kareah" in the Hebrew of Jer. 40:8, & "Caesar" being "Kaisar" in the Greek of Mt. 22:17)
    A - Aleph = 1 (cf. the "ae" in "Israel" in the Hebrew of Gen. 32:28: Aleph for the "a" and nothing for the "e")
    E /
    S - Samek = 60 (cf. the "sar" in "Ellasar" in the Hebrew of Gen. 14:1: Samek for the "s" & nothing for the "a")
    A /
    R - Reysh = 200

    Total = 617

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    Revelation 1:1 doesn't mean that Jesus in Revelation chapters 6 to 22 is expressing the events of the future tribulation, and the subsequent 2nd coming, millennium and other events through only symbolic images, instead of indicating these events almost entirely literally. For just as the original Greek word (deiknuo, G1166) translated as "show" in Revelation 1:1 doesn't have to refer to something being shown through symbolic images, but can refer to something being shown literally (Matthew 8:4), so also the original Greek word (semaino, G4591) translated as "signified" in Revelation 1:1 doesn't have to refer to something being indicated through symbolic images, but can refer to something being indicated literally (Acts 25:27).
     
  5. Bible2

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    Regarding conspiracies, ultimately the power behind the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) will be Lucifer/Satan (the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:9), just as the ultimate controllers of the unsaved world have always been (and are still currently) Lucifer and his fallen angels (Ephesians 6:12, Ephesians 2:2-3). And there could also be a secret cabal of human world leaders in big business, finance, intelligence agencies, federal law enforcement, politics, the media/entertainment, the military, and religion, who know this fact, and so have secretly become worshippers of Lucifer in order to obtain from him all of the world's power, money, and pleasures that they can (cf. Matthew 4:9).

    These Luciferians could have been working secretly together for some time (including through a worldwide secret society which teaches Gnostic Luciferianism at its highest degree of initiation) to prepare the way politically, economically, culturally, militarily, and religiously for a single Luciferian human world leader (the Antichrist) to take hegemony over the whole earth (Revelation 13:7b) and, along with his miracle-working False Prophet, to deceive the world into the open worship of Lucifer and the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 19:20). God will let them succeed in this, but for less than 4 years (Revelation 13:5b, Daniel 12:11-12), before Jesus Christ returns from heaven and defeats them completely (Revelation 19:20 to 20:3). Jesus will then set up his own, 1,000-year, physical kingdom on the earth with the bodily resurrected church (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 66:3-4, Psalms 72:8-11, Zechariah 14:8-21).

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    If Ezekiel 28:2 has application to future events, because of its similarity to the never-fulfilled 2 Thessalonians 2:4, then the prince of Tyre could be the future human ruler commonly called the Antichrist (Daniel 11:36, Revelation 13:5-18). If that's the case, then the king of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:12) could be Lucifer/Satan (the dragon), who will empower the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:9). Lucifer, before his fall and man's fall, could have been placed as a covering cherub over Eden (Ezekiel 28:13-15).

    There's a curious correlation between the prince and the king of Tyre on the one hand (Ezekiel 28), and the use of the name Hiram in the mystical teachings of a worldwide secret society which teaches Gnostic Luciferianism at its highest degree of initiation. For Hiram was the name of the human king of Tyre at the time of the building of King Solomon's temple (1 Kings 5). Also, Hiram was the name of another person from Tyre, the human master workman who helped Solomon build the temple (1 Kings 7:13-14). If the king and the prince of Tyre addressed in Ezekiel 28 are Lucifer and the Antichrist, then the name Hiram would be a perfect code name (not the actual name) for both of them, a name by which their identity within the Gnostic Luciferian teachings of the worldwide secret society could be kept secret from all but its highest-level initiates. Just as the human workman named Hiram built a temple to God in which all the world was to worship (1 Kings 8:41-43), so the Antichrist will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (Revelation 13:4), when the Antichrist gains power over the earth (Revelation 13:7).

    The Antichrist's future Luciferian rule over the earth could be pictured by the most common, publicly known symbol for the worldwide secret society, in which a drafting/measuring compass, an instrument shaped like the two legs of an "A" (as in "Antichrist"), is sometimes shown standing on top of a globe of the earth. And beneath, as in support of the "A" is a drafting/measuring square, an instrument shaped like an "L" (as in "Lucifer"). Also, found within the "L" is the letter "G", which could ultimately stand for the (false) "Gnosis" (knowledge) of Gnosticism (cf. the original Greek of 1 Timothy 6:20b), which the secret society (mistakenly) thinks can be found in Lucifer. The Antichrist will teach the ancient Gnostic lie that YHWH is evil (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36), and the ancient Gnostic lie that Christ isn't in the flesh (1 John 4:3). The Antichrist will also deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22).
     
  6. gasman64

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    You sin every time you disobey God. I challenge you to not commit 1 single sin tomorrow. You won't be able to stop yourself.

    Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:[B] for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. [/B]

    Not subject to the law of God. That sounds like declaring yourself to be a God to me.

    As to your explanation of Rev 1:1 You are wrong. It is the revelation of Jesus Christ to man and it is ALL symbolic.

    I never said Nero was the anti-christ. Just that people in his day thought he was. You are just off in your little personal world. Not really paying proper attention to what anyone actually says. :cool:
     
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  7. gasman64

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    The fact that Lucifer is not Satan has just bypassed your knowledge. Lucifer was the last king of Babylon. :cool:
     
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    Except for the billion or so of us who agree with him that there will be a literal global tribulation, during which all of mankind will be directed to receive the mark of the beast, reject Jesus Christ, and worship the Antichrist: a man who will perform great signs, stand in a temple in Jerusalem, and declare himself to be the Messiah, since that is what scripture literally tells us. The tribulation idea isn't a "conspiracy theory." It's a literal reading and acceptance of prophecy.
     
  9. Quantum Paradise

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    It is quite interesting, but I'm having deja vu...in the sense of having seen many other studies in the past that had uncanny accuracy but was just that, a study. I'm sure there may have been a degree of "convincing" information presented by past end-of-world preachers, doesn't mean we should run with their conclusions though.

    A lot of things still have to happen before Jesus returns, and I highly doubt it will all unfold over the course of a year or two.
     
  10. dysert

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    Care to name one? (And the Scripture reference that indicates it must happen prior to the Return.)

    Thanks.
     
  11. Jipsah

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    Sacrifices to Caesar in the remain of the temple don't count, huh?

    Ain't one.

    It stopped a couple thousand years ago.

    No sacrifice without a temple.

    Like the android figure of Lincoln at Disneyland.

    Could, if any of that other stuff was gonna happen, which it isn't.

    As there's no "the antichrist" in Scripture, I don't see that as a problem.
     
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  12. Jipsah

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    Wasn't Dan brown the one who came up with that?
     
  13. Jipsah

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    Billion? A thousand million? Really? Where are you keeping the rest of them stashed?

    Androids and all? Literally? Luciferean conspiracies? All that science fantasy arglebargle is literally mentioned in Scripture? Where?

    BTW, just for drill:

    lit·er·al adj.
    1. Being in accordance with, conforming to, or upholding the exact or primary meaning of a word or words.
    2. Word for word; verbatim: eg. a literal translation.
    3. Avoiding exaggeration, metaphor, or embellishment; factual; prosaic: eg. a literal description; a literal mind.
    4. Consisting of, using, or expressed by letters: eg. literal notation.
    5. Conforming or limited to the simplest, nonfigurative, or most obvious meaning of a word or words.


    lit·er·al·ly adv.
    1. In a literal manner; word for word: eg. translated the Greek passage literally.
    2. In a literal or strict sense: eg. Don't take my remarks literally.
     
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    LOL, yeah I'd just LOVE to see where the new world order, secret societies, reptilian creatures and all that other hokum that futurists have associated with the end times is actually in scripture... this ought to be a hoot.
     
  15. Quantum Paradise

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    Well, you obviously won't find the exact terms "New World Order" in the Bible. I can assure that at least this much, as well as the role of secret societies, most assuredly isn't "hokum", the most significant of these being what is historically known as the Black Nobility. In any case, I would say one of the main passage for futurists would be in revelations, which speaks of an individual (Beast from the Sea) who is given centralized power over every human on earth, which is precisely the goal of the globalist elite. It's an established fact that they have been in the business of economic and geopolitical engineering for a very long time.
     
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    If literal is ordinary sense, the most literal reading of Mt 24 & //s is that they refer to what happened to them in that generation until you get to the 'immediately after this' point of v29.

    It is confusing, bizarre, and fantastical to think that this kind of warning and instruction was given to them but actually was meant to be about things thousands of years in the future.
     
  17. gasman64

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    That sounds like a saying..."eat here...a million flies can't be wrong" Numbers don't mean anything when the scriptures say "few there will that find it." If there is only a Remnant saved then there won't be a billion people. Most christians will miss out to. It would only be the elect, the very elect. Are you and your conspiracy friends part of that group? Not very likely. You will be in your own personal version of "Left behind" Start doomsday pepping now. You won't do well in the wild I would think. :cool:
     
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    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: He just doesn't want to listen. His fantasies would make a good show on the sci-fi channel. :cool:
     
  19. Jipsah

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    Especially when the numbers were bogus to begin with. According to what I read, there are about 2.18 billion Christians worldwide. Of that number, roughly 63% are Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox. Those folks generally believe nothing even remotely like what B2 is on about. Of the remaining 37-38% who are Protestant, the enthusiasm for End Times fantasizing is confined largely to American evangelicals and fundamentalists, who make up a relatively small percentage of the world's Protestants.

    So, a billion who believe in Luciferian conspiracies, android antichrists, multiple returns of our Lord, restoration of the temple and temple sacrifice, and most of the other arrant nonsense that had been attached to futurist eschatology? Not even close. A few million, maybe tens of millions here in the States. But still a smallish minority of the Church Militant.
     
  20. SeraphimsCherub

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    He's got some videos Purple. I watch a lot of his stuff for finding out what's really going on with our evil government that you will never hear on the lame stream media:)
     
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