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Will the Rapture happen before or during 2014? Please watch this video...thoughts?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Purple Hyacinth, Jul 20, 2013.

  1. Purple Hyacinth

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    Well, Purple, to be honest, we just went through such a bout with the last "absolutely positive" declarations back in March (both the beginning and the end) and April (they couldn't make up their mind) that people sort of got the idea.

    Isn't it interesting that your banner verse at the bottom is 'don't worry about tomorrow'? Rapture-setting speaks of a bit of worry.
     
  3. Purple Hyacinth

    Purple Hyacinth John 3:16

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    Um...Are you suggesting that I am setting a date? Cuz I am not. I asked a simple question. And as far as my banner, how is it "interesting". I happen to like it. Sorry to bother you sheesh! The video is just something I saw posted somewhere else and I came here because I value your opinions here. I'll move along now, sorry to bother you
     
  4. Interplanner

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    The title suggests date setting; otherwise why put a date? This leads to worry.
     
  5. Purple Hyacinth

    Purple Hyacinth John 3:16

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    I asked a question. I am not looking for debate. Excuse me if I don't know proper protocol on this board. I don't post often. Good bye
     
  6. Bible2

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    No, because Jesus won't come and gather together (rapture) the church until immediately after the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8). That's why the marriage of the church doesn't happen until Revelation 19:7, in connection with Jesus' 2nd coming and the bodily resurrection of the church at that time (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16). Matthew 24:30-31 refers to the same 2nd coming of Jesus and gathering together (rapture) of the church as 2 Thessalonians 2:1, which refers to the same 2nd coming of Jesus and catching up together (rapture) of the church as 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17.

    Jesus won't return and gather together (rapture) the church until sometime after there's a falling away (an apostasy) in the church, and the Antichrist sits in a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaims himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, Daniel 11:31,36, Revelation 11:1-2, Revelation 13:4-8), and the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) is set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the 3rd Jewish temple (Matthew 24:15-31, Daniel 11:31). For when Jesus returns to gather together (and marry) the church he will destroy the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:1,8, Revelation 19:7,20). Before Jesus returns, the church will have to go through the future, literal 3.5 years of the Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-31).

    At Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:30), the church will be resurrected and caught up together/gathered together (raptured) (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:31), not to remove the church from the earth (Proverbs 10:30, John 17:15,20), but to take the church only as high as the clouds of the sky to hold a meeting in the air with the returned Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

    At that meeting, Jesus will judge everyone in the church (Psalms 50:3-5, cf. Mark 13:27) by their works (2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 2:6-8, Luke 12:45-48, Matthew 25:19-30). And then Jesus will marry in the clouds the obedient part of the church (Revelation 19:7-8, Matthew 25:1-12), those in the church (of all times) who "overcame" (Revelation 3:5). They will then mount white horses and come back down from the sky (the first heaven) with Jesus (Revelation 19:14) as he defeats the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) and all the world's armies (Revelation 19:15-21). Jesus will then make the marriage supper of Revelation 19:9 for the resurrected and married obedient part of the church in the earthly Jerusalem (Isaiah 25:6-9; 1 Corinthians 15:54). Jesus and the obedient part of the church will then reign on the earth for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29).

    While the rapture won't happen in 2014, it could happen in our lifetime. For Matthew 24:34 could mean that the temporal generation which would see the 1948 AD reestablishment of Israel, which could be symbolized by the rebudding of the fig tree (Matthew 24:32-34, Hosea 9:10, Joel 1:6-7, Luke 13:6-9, Matthew 21:19,43), won't pass, i.e. won't die off completely, until the future tribulation and 2nd coming of Matthew 24 and Revelation chapters 6 to 19 are fulfilled. A temporal generation may not pass until 70 or 80 years (Psalms 90:10), or 120 years (Genesis 6:3).

    This doesn't require that the 2nd coming will occur right before, like one year before, that generation will pass: i.e. 69, or 79, or 119 years after 1948: in 2017, 2027, or 2067. And if the tribulation which will immediately precede the 2nd coming and rapture (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6) will last 7 years (Daniel 9:27), the tribulation's first year didn't have to be in 2011, and won't have to be in 2021, or 2061, but could be in a future year (e.g. 2020) earlier than 2021.
     
  7. Douggg

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    Hi miss purple, :wave: try not to be so sensitive. Nearly every thread gets disagreement. Ignore, and continue in the thread. Protocol at this board, and every other board that I know of, is that somebody is going to disagree even if you say good morning. :D.


    Doug
     
  8. Douggg

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    Okay, I am watching the video. I am not getting very far :). The author at minute 1:30 states (paraphrased) that Jesus said watch the signs of the stars in heaven as those would signal his return. I would like for you to find and do a copy and paste of that particular passage (Luke 21:25). Because his entire theory is based on his proper interpretation of that passage.

    Doug
     
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    Okay, I made it to minute 6:00, and the speaker is saying we are all energy! He just went off to outer space. He says that everything in the universe is connected. That the way we live our life we give off negative or positive energy. okay....I will continue watching, but I think my energy is swinging to the negative on this video.

    Doug
     
  10. Douggg

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    Okay, I made it to minute 7:30, and guess what? The author says he discovered a six star inside of the six star - the suspend is building. He says the evil people who run this world know about it, and who are controlling you, know about it but are keeping a secret. I think he is talking about the Jews, since he says they fly the star of David on their banner (the flag of Israel).

    Next he says he is warning us, there is some sort of cosmic countdown.

    Doug
     
  11. Douggg

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    Okay, I made it to minute 9:15 and he is telling us about the woman in Revelation 12 as some cosmic star arrangement, and that some guy in Israel is the best he knows of regarding that formation (using stolarium software). Sheesh. I will continue because I know I am getting closer.

    Doug
     
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    Lol Doug
     
  13. Douggg

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    Okay, I am finding out that the formation of the woman, there are only 11 stars apparent, but guess what? He found the 12th star, Jupiter between the woman's feet giving birth. I think I can see where this is going now.

    Doug
     
  14. Douggg

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    Okay, I made it to minute 12:00, this is the amazing part that the author says that happens only one date, "if you want to see Revelation fulfilled it's out there" - he's telling us. Pretty hard to disagree.

    Doug
     
  15. Douggg

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    Okay, I am now at minute 12:45, and this is where the rapture comes in, the guy in Israel, his picture is in a subwindow of the video, he is correlating the formation of the woman and 12 stars with the Rapture, sometime around 21 September, 2017. The man in the subwindow is saying that this is the most likely date on You Tube - period!

    I still have over 2 minutes to go, but I am hanging in there. Let us continue...


    Doug
     
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    Okay, I am at minute 13:25, and I am told and shown on a chart that one of the cycles, that from Nov 14, 2011 to Jul 22, 2013 is 616 days (6-1-6), so there's the 666 right there the speaker says.

    Doug
     
  18. Douggg

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    Okay, I am minute 14:09, and the speaker is telling me that what the muslim and Jews both believe concerning the coming messiah that he will establish a 7 year peace pact. Sheesh. I got a feeling what's coming next. Let us continue....

    Doug
     
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    I am at minute 14:40, and the speaker is saying that the muslim messiah and the Jewish messiah are one in the same - but the speaker informs me that he is the Christian Antichrist. Almost done with the video.

    Doug
     
  20. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Whew! He says he out of time, Dahboo7, peace.



    Doug
     
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