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Will the Rapture happen before or during 2014? Please watch this video...thoughts?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Purple Hyacinth, Jul 20, 2013.

  1. 4LivingCreations

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    "Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done."

    "this generation" applies to all of the following:

    A. A reference to any reader who understands the dialogue. The lifetime of any individual who experiences the process outlined.
    The symbolic things mentioned are inside the individual and playing out in his struggle.
    B. the "2nd generation" of mankind, that is, the roughly 2000 years that follow Jesus resurrection. The symbolic things mentioned have happened in the world.
    C. the "last days" generation. The things are happening over and over right now, and each time they do, they escalate and the cycle is quicker than the last.
    D. the men physically in His presence when He spoke. Per item A.

    In this manner, we no longer need to "explain how He didn't lie", or concoct prophecies.

    "These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever."
     
  2. ancientsoul

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    wanted to focus on this part of your post ...

    how or what do you see as 'concocting prophecies' ...

    your words 'explain how He didn't lie' remind me of my thought sometimes when reading this post or that ... 'God doesn't need defended' ... He can handle that all on His own' ... i do believe it's okay to say something like ... God doesn't lie ... and so it is ... :D as i am one who uses that term from time to time ... just don't believe we need to go to great lengths to prove it ... He is all the proof that is needed ... and it's all there in His Word ...

    wells without water ... yes, much of that over the world ... at every window ... internet ... tv ... phones ... cameras ... leaving little dry footprints running longside the narrow Way as if to squeeze the Way gone ... people falling off the Way to idols, fame and 'glory,' pornography, gossip, lies, scandals, sexual deviancy, false prophets ... a really long list ... as never before ... falling right off for a mirage ... false water in the wilderness ...

    dry clouds ... feeding dry wells ... feeding very dry people ... those that are but bare, dry bones in a big open very dry valley ...

    for it's this time in history where the world can be viewed as a big open dry valley ... this is the time in history when the world is viewed by most as a global community ... as never in any other time in history ... just one big very dry mess ...
     
  3. John S

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    ancientsoul - I also have a problem with the Post-Trib Rapture. If it happens, then it happens but if it doesn't happen, then so what. By then, it will be academic.
     
  4. ancientsoul

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    yes, academic ... and yes, if it happens, then it happens ... if it doesn't, then it doesn't ...
     
  5. Houly

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    Yeah, I just use "post-tribulation rapture," as opposed to "pre-trib," to refer to the gathering following Armageddon. Some people have theories about what will happen at the gathering: that the faithful will be lifted into the sky or what not. But at that point, no need to stress the details. There will be a gathering of the faithful, but I think it will be after the tribulation, so "post-trib rapture."
     
  6. Bible2

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    Note that there will be a rapture. For the English word "rapture" is derived from the root of the Latin word "rapiemur", which is how the old Latin (Vulgate) translation of the Bible translated the original Greek word (harpazo) translated as "caught up" in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. So the "rapture" is the church's being "caught up together" to Jesus at his 2nd coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17), which is the same as the church's being "gathered together" to Jesus at his 2nd coming (2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:30-31, John 14:3), which will occur immediately after the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

    Christians need to be wary of the mistaken idea that no rapture will occur at Jesus' 2nd coming. For such an idea could be employed in the future by the Antichrist's False Prophet (of Revelation 19:20, Revelation 13:13-15) to fool some Christians into thinking that Jesus' 2nd coming has happened (Matthew 24:23-26) without Jesus having to have raptured (caught up together/gathered together) the church to hold a meeting in the sky with him at his 2nd coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17; 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:30-31, John 14:3).

    The mistaken idea of a pre-tribulation rapture (not a rapture per se) is dangerous because when no pre-tribulation rapture occurs, and pre-trib believers begin to suffer in the tribulation, they could think that God has somehow been defeated by Satan, that Satan by his power has caused a pre-trib rapture not to happen despite God wanting one to. Or they could think that God has cruelly broken his (supposed) promise, that he has pulled the rug out from under them, that he cruelly lied to them and must now be laughing at their surprise and suffering (Proverbs 1:26), so that in their rage they could curse God and commit apostasy during the tribulation (Isaiah 8:21-22, Matthew 24:9-13, Matthew 13:21), to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Hebrews 6:4-8, John 15:6; 2 Timothy 2:12).

    And even if they instead rightly think, "Okay, we must have just been mistaken in thinking that the rapture was supposed to be pre-trib. Satan hasn't defeated God, and God didn't lie to us", nonetheless, because they'd held so strongly to the pre-trib idea for so long, their minds could be completely unprepared to face the long tribulation that lies ahead of them (just as holding too strongly to the mistaken idea of preterism, or historicism, or symbolicism, or spiritualism, could leave some believers less prepared mentally to endure the future tribulation). The Bible gives those in the church clear warning ahead of time about everything that they're going to have to face during the future tribulation (Mark 13:23, Revelation chapters 6 to 18, Revelation 1:1, Revelation 22:16), so that they can be better prepared mentally not to be blindsided (1 Peter 4:12-13) or deceived by anything that's coming (Matthew 24:4-5,23-25, Revelation 13:13-18, Revelation 19:20), and so that they can be better prepared mentally to endure the future tribulation with patience and faith to the end (Matthew 24:9-13, Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6), that is, until death or until Jesus returns immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:2 to 20:6; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8).
     
  7. John S

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    Bible2 - In case I wasn't clear enough, I meant that there will not be a Pre-Trib Rapture.
    It is very possible that Pre-Tribbers will curse God when this Rapture doesn't occur.
     
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