Jesus will rule for a thousand years through 24 thrones (probably the 23 Christian nations now in NATO plus one more, probably Serbia).
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This seems strange. The church was created to function inside governments. Prior, Israel was a self-sustaining nation, with a military and law enforcement.
But the church was never built for that. It is always to function within governments, and law enforcement authority has been given to those governments by God (Romans 13). Those functions are not the job of the church. The churches deal in moral conduct, while the governments in legalities (not like Israel which handled both).
Daniel saw in a vision four beasts. Were these literal? No they were symbolic of four gentile kingdoms one that existed in Daniel's day Babylon; and the three succeeding gentile kingdoms that were to follow. These were of course Medo-Persia, Greek, and lastly the Roman Empire. These are all human governments or kingdoms aren't they? Then in Revelation John was living in the time of the last Beast.But you're saying all governments are beasts? That beast is just a metaphor for government? It would seem then, the church should get away from them, but that's not how God set it up. Why would He want the church to function within beasts? Just seems bizarre.
Wrong, The Church, since 312 AD when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds, has ruled the earth. And Christians, despite opposition from the beast, will rule the earth to the end.It always has functioned within oppressive human governments - always will - until the second coming. Rev Oral Roberts had a goal of training Christians for service (ORU) in the Government, mission fields, and secular society. He felt that Christianity was lax in their participation in world affairs. He felt that we were abandoning our Democratic government by allowing it to be taken over by Secular Humanists (atheists). As a young Lindsay Futurist - my crowd always wondered if we would have time to get married and have a family because we were taught that by 1988 (one generation after the formation of Israel) that all would be fulfilled. We did not buy life insurance, go to college, or save any money for the future as it would just be a total waste. We were living lives of abandonment. Oral was trying to change this terminal mentality of Futurism. I left that errant school of thought in the early 80's.
Daniel saw in a vision four beasts. Were these literal? No they were symbolic of four gentile kingdoms one that existed in Daniel's day – Babylon; and the three succeeding gentile kingdoms that were to follow. These were of course Medo-Persia, Greek, and lastly the Roman Empire. These are all human governments or kingdoms aren't they? Then in Revelation John was living in the time of the last “Beast.”
So the “Beast” in Revelation is Daniel's forth and last beast - Rome. Because Daniel used the symbol of “Beast” for all four human governments this term can be generally applied to all human governments. But only the four mentioned in prophesy are commonly recognized. The term “Beast” is not used in our day but that is what they are – Beasts. And as I said the term beast in Revelation is used interchangeably for either the collective government of Rome or its Emperor who controlled it.
It always has functioned within oppressive human governments…..
All I can do is scratch my head and wonder why you believe this. Yes there have been are are oppressive governments in which Christianity is persecuted. But all of them all the time? In some places in the world, the church is not persecuted and in some places the church has it so good, it's become downright complacent.
Wrong, The Church, since 312 AD when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds, has ruled the earth. And Christians, despite opposition from the beast, will rule the earth to the end.
The US, founded by George Washington who rode a pale horse, is the 4th Christian superpower to rule the earth. Our weapons bring hell and death to the enemies of Jesus.
As usual what I said went right over your head. That's because the very way you force your view on the scripture, you read your idea of what I said, as opposed to what I actually said.
The Church was persecuted until 312 AD when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds.He has ruled the earth since Pentecost of 30AD when the New Covenant Church was empowered and commissioned. I don't know why you would think that his rule didn't start until 312AD.
His kingdom was not part of the first century world. He returned with His kingdom in 312 AD.What did Christ mean then when He said His kingdom is not of this world? Question open to all.
Daniel saw in a vision four beasts. Were these literal? No they were symbolic of four gentile kingdoms one that existed in Daniel's day Babylon; and the three succeeding gentile kingdoms that were to follow. These were of course Medo-Persia, Greek, and lastly the Roman Empire. These are all human governments or kingdoms aren't they? Then in Revelation John was living in the time of the last Beast.
So the Beast in Revelation is Daniel's forth and last beast - Rome. Because Daniel used the symbol of Beast for all four human governments this term can be generally applied to all human governments. But only the four mentioned in prophesy are commonly recognized. The term Beast is not used in our day but that is what they are Beasts. And as I said the term beast in Revelation is used interchangeably for either the collective government of Rome or its Emperor who controlled it.
The 1000 Year Reign of Christ ended, when Jesus Rose with the Saints, this is what the Book of Revelations states, when Jesus said I will go and send the Comforter, he was speaking of the "Abrahamic Covenant", which raised the Dead Church when he was crucified. We are given more detail about this in Hosea, Jesus included the Churches in the "Tribe of Ephraim"'s Abrahamic Covenant" ... and we know that Jesus went to Egypt when he was a Child, and therefore he was dashed into pieces, and we know Jesus was crucified and therefore he was ripped up. This ended the 1000 Year Reign of Christ.REVELATION 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
HOSEA 13:12 The iniquity of Ephraim [is] bound up; his sin [is] hid.
HOSEA 13:13 The sorrows of a travailing woman shall come upon him: he [is] an unwise son; for he should not stay long in [the place of] the breaking forth of children.
HOSEA 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.
HOSEA 13:15 Though he be fruitful among [his] brethren, an east wind shall come, the wind of the LORD shall come up from the wilderness, and his spring shall become dry, and his fountain shall be dried up: he shall spoil the treasure of all pleasant vessels.
HOSEA 13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
MATTHEW 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
What did Christ mean then when He said His kingdom is not of this world? Question open to all.
So I take it Christ returned then, already, but did so invisibly. Correct?
How does that jive with what the angel said at his departure into the sky? If his leaving was visible, why is his return invisible?
Can you be an Angel of God and be Evil, the Bible says Angel this is what it says... The Antichrist is given authority during the 5 months to spearhead the migration movement. This is the Angel in Revelation 9:11. The Antichrist is Ordained by Christ, to challenged what revelations is teaching will violate what the Angel says towards the end of Matthew's account, that Jesus is the authority over all heaven and earth, and he will appoint whosoever he chooses to appoint.Christ Crucifixion 1000
REVELATION 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Antichrist Cosmic Shift 200,000,000
REVELATION 9:11 And they had a king over them, [which is] the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue [is] Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath [his] name Apollyon.
REVELATION 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen [were] two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Lake of Fire New Heaven New Earth INFINITY
REVELATION 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The Church was persecuted until 312 AD when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds.
I once thought that this was true - Constantine legitimized the Christian religion. It was made the state religion later.
When the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds, Christians went from being persecuted to ruling the world.I once thought that this was true - Constantine legitimized the Christian religion. It was made the state religion later.
I have a list of the number of martyrs for the Roman period. Under Constantine there are zero martyrs listed. After Constatine the numbers climbed back up. Come to find out that the Christians were being killed now because they were condemned as heretics by the New Roman government. The martyrs simply continued but for different reasons. Strange isn't it?
When the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds, Christians went from being persecuted to ruling the world.
The 6th trumpet prophecy was fulfilled on D-Day when close to 200 million horses under the hood were unleashed against Hitler the antichrist and the third of the earth aligned with him.(I believe the reason why the Bible does not go into great detail about the particular formula of the "multiplying footprint of Jesus" or the "jumping jesus equation we've modified" ... is that two claims are being presented at the same time, the bible loosely supports ... that is the extermination of the "Tribe of Dan", which the bible talks about as separating from the church, and as it presents a threat to society or in relation to the gospel, the bible doesn't teach inhumanity ... secondly, the Bible appears to teach and it does that when this figure reaches 200,000,000 the day of Judgment will begin for mankind.
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200,000,000 is such a large value, we can make the conclusion that Jesus adds a considerable portion to what figure there is when the 150 days begins ... ... a figure that mankind under normal circumstances could not present to God using the equation without rigorous exercise of "faith" ... ... for this reason I believe we are not provided specific details, but we are given enough information to get a basic understanding of what god was calculating that is multiples of Jesus ... ...
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In 312 A.D. God Gives Constantine the Great a vision that identifies with the "multiplying Jesus Equation": that is all the variables are in place to increase the footprint of Jesus. 1) The Gospel was being taught to more people ... 2) There was a war with people that opposed the Gospel and were in wickedness, which meant the loss of life of a sin in mankind as a whole body, because the "multiplying Jesus Equation" compares Jesus to the whole body of mankind ... 3) Jesus adds to this figure over time, so even if most of mankind is in sin, Jesus will still add to this figure because this is apart of the judgment program, so this was an occasion when Jesus was adding to this figure, and also through the interaction of mankind.
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312 A.D. was less then 300 years from the Crucifixion and the Gospel was still largely isolated to the Roman Empire, so this was the primary point for Jesus in increasing his footprint in the "Multiplying Jesus Equation" ... ... I don't know what the exact figure was, I know Constantine may of understood something and when he had the vision he marked about 40,000 to 60,000 shields in his army at that time, and he did this for a reason ... ... to track the equation all the way to the end of time will be virtually impossible ... ... the only thing we can say is that Jesus adds a considerable value to the figures when the 150 days beings ... ... and blesses the migration movement of mankind in this figure ... ... once again there are two facts we do know for sure, Jesus always increases this figure, and mankind can add to this figure through gospel sharing activities or etc. and therefore we also know this figure can be negatively impacted to some limited degree but this is marginal towards the increases ... ... these variables make calculating the equation very difficult.
Remember the Holocaust, Roswell, the series of mysterious assassinations of a few world leaders ending with JFK in this period? There is no doubt the aliens did visit man because mankind was in the green (and even some actions taken to chastise the leadership bodies), this equation did not mean mankind had to exterminate the "Tribe of Dan" at this time, that is a description with some variable ... it did mean that mankind went out of its way to promote needless social and economic turmoil and also warmongering, and humanitarian tragedy. Simply put the universe dried up its mercy, and since then mankind has never been in the green enough to warrant the attention of the universe ... ... between sin, evil, and resisting the spiritual power of the gospel message among the people.
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Were not necessarily left with a "moot point - a conclusion that has lost momentum and therefore invalidated itself", remember the gospel is profitable and the gentiles do not offend it ... ... an intelligent person may even say the "Standard of Living" among the masses of people is some indication, some people have said information ... but remember the caveats that were developed when mankind was in the green, "social upheaval in its cunningness, antisemitism in its cunningness, and the promotion of evasive approaches in low esteem, and low moral values" ... ... and at the same time the gospel is being given more then ever ... ... but it is these conventions that have really stopped mankind from going green. Nonetheless the Universe has given signs specifically that do identify with this equation so we are not empty handed Flight 370 was one of them, Comet ISON etc. ... ... The important take home message is, there was less then a year between Comet ISON and Flight 370 ... Think the way I would think about this situation ... ... If Comet ISON headed to the Planet Earth instead of dropping off in space it would of hit Flight 370 ... ... now if Comet ISON continued it will reach the Earth's Core around November that is about 1260 days or 42 months from 5/21/2011, the last great end time prediction that can be seen as a result of the "multiplying Jesus Equation".
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Not exactly a moot point but we will not obtain the 200,000,000 figure as long as mankind maintains its homeostasis ... in resisting the gospel the way it has since it has developed conventions for this around the 1930s through the 1960s. We have small signs ... that is good enough for us ... remember the world is a threat as it stands there are so many weed nations that have sprung up ... ... even if we got rid of the largest weeds, we do not know exactly were we stand with the equation to possible make a big difference ... ... long story short ... ... this is great news for the believers but its a moot point for the people facing judgment that have set their hearts in the love of the sin based generation laced with conventions of spiritual wickedness.) (comment enclosed in parenthesis ... ... remember the gospel is good ... ... the rise and success of the "anti-terrorism movement" ... ... maybe in part motivated by the "Multiplying Jesus Equation" in the sense that we know Jesus can take away a few Jesus, at the end of time, given the rate of exchange we do not really know of ... ... this could be a penalty of a few thousand Jesus's which is a considerable amount so I do believe mankind is being faithful in a sense ... ... but we are at the end of days now ... ... so yes it is a real sin to kill the antichrist repeatedly but this is the threat society represents itself until this threat can be resolved, so signs are being dried up, etc. ... ... I do recall that around the time Flight 370 did disappear I did not do any nightly walks for about 2 weeks or so maybe longer ... ... since I officially adopted the practice as a means of controlling the problem a few months before Comet ISON developed its long tail ... ... now due to our success ... ... I do not believe there will be anymore signs other then what some may read as a natural process reported in the news.)