Wifely Submission

[Lisa0315]

Huh? The post you linked to is on topic. If you'd actually read the thread and followed the conversation you'd see that. It's not unreasonable to expect people to catch up on conversations when they come into the discussion midway. It's considered polite by most online forum standards.

Would you care to explain why there's "no substance" to my claims? There's a correlation between religion and divorce rate. There are multiple factors that compound the divorce rate for Christians (most notably the young marriage age) but it's undeniable that Christians do in fact have the highest divorce rate. When some people in this thread assert that the Christian model is the best model for marriage, they've got some explaining as to why Christians have the most divorces. The two statements don't jibe. Clearly, something isn't adding up. The statistics have been verified, which leads me to believe that "the Christian model is the best model for marriage" would be the faulty statement.

Hi,
I hope it is okay for me to interject here. I have not read the whole thread.

I am a Christian who believes that a wife should submit as long as the husband is not asking for an act that is disobedient to God.

The Christian model is not the best one to follow, I agree. However, the Bibical one is. Those Christian marriages that fail, do fail because Chirst is not at the center of the marriage.

The Christ-centered marriage is like this: The husband loves the wife as Christ loves the church, meaning the husband will give up everything including his own life for the wife. The wife loves the husband and shows this love by submission to his authority. However, that authority is not one of bullying or harrassment, but one of devotion and the best of intentions.

Any wife who is loved in this manner will not have a problem being submissive. Submissiveness does not mean meakness, but rather, support and enabling the husband.

Lisa

 

[The_Horses_Boy]

Hi,
I hope it is okay for me to interject here. I have not read the whole thread.

I am a Christian who believes that a wife should submit as long as the husband is not asking for an act that is disobedient to God.

The Christian model is not the best one to follow, I agree. However, the Bibical one is. Those Christian marriages that fail, do fail because Chirst is not at the center of the marriage.

The Christ-centered marriage is like this: The husband loves the wife as Christ loves the church, meaning the husband will give up everything including his own life for the wife. The wife loves the husband and shows this love by submission to his authority. However, that authority is not one of bullying or harrassment, but one of devotion and the best of intentions.

Any wife who is loved in this manner will not have a problem being submissive. Submissiveness does not mean meakness, but rather, support and enabling the husband.

Lisa

Praise the Lord! I feel blessings and reputations coming!

 

[beechy]

Hi,
I hope it is okay for me to interject here. I have not read the whole thread.

I am a Christian who believes that a wife should submit as long as the husband is not asking for an act that is disobedient to God.

The Christian model is not the best one to follow, I agree. However, the Bibical one is. Those Christian marriages that fail, do fail because Chirst is not at the center of the marriage.

The Christ-centered marriage is like this: The husband loves the wife as Christ loves the church, meaning the husband will give up everything including his own life for the wife. The wife loves the husband and shows this love by submission to his authority. However, that authority is not one of bullying or harrassment, but one of devotion and the best of intentions.

Any wife who is loved in this manner will not have a problem being submissive. Submissiveness does not mean meakness, but rather, support and enabling the husband.

Lisa

Can you (or anyone) give me an example of a proper exercise of husbandly authority to which a wife should submit?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Can you (or anyone) give me an example of a proper exercise of husbandly authority to which a wife should submit?

Get your bytch ars e back in the kitchen, and make me some pie!

 

[WhoeverLovesGod01]

It's not unreasonable to expect people to catch up on conversations when they come into the discussion midway. It's considered polite by most online forum standards.

Do you even know what you're saying? You posted this reply in this thread, then a few people disagreed with you so you posted this reply, citing another thread and saying you'd "assumed" i'd read it.

 

[WhoeverLovesGod01]

The statistics have been verified, which leads me to believe that "the Christian model is the best model for marriage" would be the faulty statement...

That's an opinion, not a conclusion.

 

[TheMissus]

Do you even know what you're saying? You posted this reply in this thread, then a few people disagreed with you so you posted this reply, citing another thread and saying you'd "assumed" i'd read it.

It was the same thread.

 

[Konkurrent]

That's an opinion, not a conclusion.

How else do you interpret those statistics?

 

[WhoeverLovesGod01]

Try using a little bit of common sense.

 

[Athene]

I think we all know that the rebuttal to the argument that the 'traditional christian marriage increases likelehood of divorce' will always be 'they're obviously not true christians otherwise their marriages wouldn't divorce' Which is a completely wrong argument because we don't know either way.

How about instead on focusing on why so many christian marriages end in divorce, why don't we ask ourselves the question - who do comparatively few athiests marriages end in divorce? How come two people with no religion are more likely to have long and happy marriages? Answers on a postcard.

 

[*Starlight*]

Hi,
I hope it is okay for me to interject here. I have not read the whole thread.

I am a Christian who believes that a wife should submit as long as the husband is not asking for an act that is disobedient to God.

The Christian model is not the best one to follow, I agree. However, the Bibical one is. Those Christian marriages that fail, do fail because Chirst is not at the center of the marriage.

The Christ-centered marriage is like this: The husband loves the wife as Christ loves the church, meaning the husband will give up everything including his own life for the wife. The wife loves the husband and shows this love by submission to his authority. However, that authority is not one of bullying or harrassment, but one of devotion and the best of intentions.

Any wife who is loved in this manner will not have a problem being submissive. Submissiveness does not mean meakness, but rather, support and enabling the husband.

Lisa

Hi Lisa I have a question. Do you think there would be something wrong with a marriage where both the love and submission go equally both ways? What I mean is that both people are willing to give up everything for each other, and both of them listen to each other's suggetions as long as neither of them asks for something bad or immoral. Do you think such a model of marriage would be in any way worse than the one you presented? If yes, then why?

 

[Ave Maria]

I do believe that a Christian wife should submit to her husband so long as the husband is not telling her to do anything immoral or against Christian values. As a friend of mine said, (to paraphrase), "Marriage is sort of like a body. The wife is the neck and the husband is the head. The wife turns the head."

 

[ChrisCountryGirl]

Men aren't any better than women and sometimes women make better decisions than men. Healthy relationships is based on love, trust, respect, communication etc. Women have a right to have an opinion too

 

[quatona]

Women have a right to have an opinion too

Sure, but only if their husbands allow them to.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

"Marriage is sort of like a body. The wife is the neck and the husband is the head. The wife turns the head."

Sounds like one of those silly platitudes, right up there with "work makes free" to try to convince the opressed that they aren't REALLY opressed.

 

[beechy]

Get your bytch ars e back in the kitchen, and make me some pie!

Exactly. Anyone else? An example of a proper exercise of husbandly authority to which a wife should submit?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Exactly. Anyone else? An example of a proper exercise of husbandly authority to which a wife should submit?

RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH!

 

[sparklecat]

How about instead on focusing on why so many christian marriages end in divorce, why don't we ask ourselves the question - who do comparatively few athiests marriages end in divorce? How come two people with no religion are more likely to have long and happy marriages? Answers on a postcard.

Well, we don't have the same pressure from our religion or subculture to marry young and raise a family. When you've got young women learning that their main purpose in life is as wife and mother, they'll tend to be more likely to rush into marriage. The people will also have learned that they can't have any sexual contact before marriage, with an optional side of no masturbation, and will choose an early marriage over celibacy.

As well, the non-religious can spend time living together prior to marriage to determine compatibility. If you've already spent years living together, you're not as likely to run up against unpleasant surprises that will make you want a divorce.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

also, atheists can't divorce because the King of the Potato People won't let them!

 

[Athene]

Well, we don't have the same pressure from our religion or subculture to marry young and raise a family. When you've got young women learning that their main purpose in life is as wife and mother, they'll tend to be more likely to rush into marriage. The people will also have learned that they can't have any sexual contact before marriage, with an optional side of no masturbation, and will choose an early marriage over celibacy.

As well, the non-religious can spend time living together prior to marriage to determine compatibility. If you've already spent years living together, you're not as likely to run up against unpleasant surprises that will make you want a divorce.

I was thinking more along the lines of who is responsible for the happiness and well being of the family. In egalitarian marriages of the non-religious and the religious variety the responsibility is shared. In christian marriages which follow the tradtitional model with the man as the head then the responsibility is placed soley on his shoulders.

I don't know about you but I've frequently heard women saying their husbands have the final say because God will hold them and them alone responsible for what happens in the family. So these poor men are burdened with this great reponsibility - they have to keep their family in order otherwise God's gonna get 'em.

Just imagine how you would be towards your significant other if you were going to be held responsible for their actions, if they made a decision for the family which turned out to be the wrong one - you would be the one that got the blame. Would you want to control their actions? I would! Would you be scared of giving them free reign incase they did something that you would get into trouble for? I know I would. So instead of a relaxed family atmosphere you'd get something more akin to an army barracks where the husband - or Sergeant Major is carefully controlling all his families movements, where nothing happens without his say so. That may have worked 200 years ago when women had no rights and a mans wife and child were viewed as his property, but in this day and age not many women are going to put up with that behaviour.