Wifely Submission

[MezzaMorta]

Oh, it's just not possible that Paul was writing to a specific audience at a specific time for a specific situation and never had any intention of making his comment an edict which had to be followed absolutely, throughout the remainder of time, is it?

Then why did God put it in the bible?

 

[UberLutheran]

That's not how God set up marriage. Do you believe what scripture has said...because it's quite blatant about it.

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

I believe that Genesis is (largely) a set of instructive (and highly valuable) myths designed to explain why the world is the way it is — but do I accept Genesis as literal history? No.

It has nothing to do w/ being better than, but that's how God set it up. That doesn't mean the woman has no leadership...but the man is the head of the household. I have no issue w/ that becasue I understand what God means by that.

I think it's possible to have a completely different interpretation of the Scriptures, other than literalist, if one takes into consideration the history, the culture, the language, the politics, the religion, and the mores of the time in which the passage was written. A great many of us "liberals" spend a great of time studying Scripture to find out what it's trying to say, relative to the time and the place and the situation and the prevailing thought in which the passage was written.

 

[MezzaMorta]

God did not put anything in the Bible. The Bible was written by mortal, fallible man, not God.

The bible may have been written by man, but what made it into the bible was the work of divine intervention.

 

[UberLutheran]

Then why did God put it in the bible?

God didn't put it in the Bible. People did.

There are a LOT of things where I wonder why they ended up in the Bible; and a lot of things which weren't included as the canon of the New Testament developed which I really wonder why they were excluded.

 

[UberLutheran]

Then why did God put it in the bible?

My initial statement, "It's just not possible that..." was sarcastic.

What I was trying to say is that we don't consider the possibility that Paul was writing to a specific audience at a specific time for a specific situation and he never had any intention of making his comment an edict which had to be followed absolutely, throughout the remainder of time.

 

[MezzaMorta]

God didn't put it in the Bible. People did.

There are a LOT of things where I wonder why they ended up in the Bible; and a lot of things which weren't included as the canon of the New Testament developed which I really wonder why they were excluded.

The bible was ultimately codified by the Catholic Church around the 4th century. This occurred though divine intervention, the bible is proported as the word of God. Any Christian has to believe that God had control over what was incorporated into the bible other wise it is not the word of God.

 

[belladonic-haze]

Did I say they were...perhaps you should reexamine my statements and scripture. Neither say they are God.

LOL....I was teasing ya a bit.....

But honestly. You are a young lady. Promise me that you will never ever submit to a man and do things that you disagree with and don't want to do. Be not blinded by the fact that they call themself Christians. I was in such a relationship once. All it brought me was pain and sorrow and feeling inadequate and ugly. Believe me.....a man - even if he is not a Christian -who treats you as an equal and loves you and most of all respects you is much better and much saver than a Christian misogynist....

Men and women are equally worth being loved and respected!

 

[Texas Lynn]

The problem is you veiw submission as that of a slave and that's not what God means by it. It is equal. The husband loves the wife as himself and the wife sumbits in a good way out of love, not like giving in to every whim he has. And by you saying we shouldn't you then say scripture and God is wrong then:

Eph 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

These are the alleged words of Paul, not of God.

 

[Texas Lynn]

That's not how God set up marriage. Do you believe what scripture has said...because it's quite blatant about it.

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

It has nothing to do w/ being better than, but that's how God set it up. That doesn't mean the woman has no leadership...but the man is the head of the household. I have no issue w/ that becasue I understand what God means by that.

Sorry, wrong again. The Adam and Eve legend is not a story of events that actually happened and these words are those of the Patriarchs, not of God.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Then why did God put it in the bible?

He didn't.

 

[Texas Lynn]

The bible may have been written by man, but what made it into the bible was the work of divine intervention.

More like faculty politics.

 

[Argent]

These are the alleged words of Paul, not of God.

Hmmmm....picking and choosing which parts of the Bible are valid. This is usually the argument slammed at Chrisitans who speak the truth that homosexual sex acts are sin.

 

[Argent]

More like faculty politics.

Christians who believe in God also beleive in His Holy Word.

 

[Argent]

He didn't.

Are you denying that the Bible is the Word of God? Yes or No?

 

[MezzaMorta]

So the priests who decided what to edit into the Bible and leave out were acting on Divine intervention? So why are there dozens upon dozens of different versions of the Bible, some of which is contradictory?

How ever, who ever and when ever the bible was compiled was done so by divine intervention. Other wise the entire basis of Christianity is null. The bible is the word of God. Thus God must have had control over what was put in the bible.

And what are these contrary bibles? The Bible (Old and New Testement) is one. There are different translations of it, but the original and what it consists of is constant.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

I voted other, since the Poll avoids the issue of accountability and if or when a husband might be in conflict with God's will.

Just some insight:
A wife is not the only instruction for submission. See also husbands, submission to authorities, submission to employers, to parents, etc.
Any premise implying that submission is only with one gender or some concept that isn't echoed through the Bible would be error. What a Christian submits to is also neither required to be deserving of said submission or free from complications such as going against the Spirit.

 

[vitodabona]

How ever, who ever and when ever the bible was compiled was done so by divine intervention. Other wise the entire basis of Christianity is null. The bible is the word of God. Thus God must have had control over what was put in the bible.

And what are these contrary bibles? The Bible (Old and New Testement) is one. There are different translations of it, but the original and what it consists of is constant.

It is divine inspiration, not intervention unless you are claiming God told these folks exactly what to include and not include in the bible.

 

[katautumn]

Just a quick joke.

A newlywed couple are on their honeymoon. On the first night the husband removed his pants and tosses them to his wife and says, "okay, honey, put these on." She pulls them up under her skirt, lets them go and they are so large on her they fall to the floor. She says, "I can't wear these pants". He says, "darn right and you remember that whenever you want to question who wears the pants in the house." Angry, the wife grabs a pair of her pants from her suitcase, tosses them at her husband and giggles. "Okay, well, just for fun try mine on." The husband laughs and go to pull them on and they won't go up past his knees. He pulls them off and says, "babe, I can't get into these pants." She says, "darn right and you won't ever get into those pants if you ever say something like you said a minute ago ever again."

 

[Argent]

Just a quick joke.

A newlywed couple are on their honeymoon. On the first night the husband removed his pants and tosses them to his wife and says, "okay, honey, put these on." She pulls them up under her skirt, lets them go and they are so large on her they fall to the floor. She says, "I can't wear these pants". He says, "darn right and you remember that whenever you want to question who wears the pants in the house." Angry, the wife grabs a pair of her pants from her suitcase, tosses them at her husband and giggles. "Okay, well, just for fun try mine on." The husband laughs and go to pull them on and they won't go up past his knees. He pulls them off and says, "babe, I can't get into these pants." She says, "darn right and you won't ever get into those pants if you ever say something like you said a minute ago ever again."

ROFLMBO!!!

 

[Texas Lynn]

Hmmmm....picking and choosing which parts of the Bible are valid. This is usually the argument slammed at Chrisitans who speak the truth that homosexual sex acts are sin.

Indeed, among other things.

BTW, EVERYONE "picks and chooses" which parts of the Bible are valid to them.