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You didn't answer my question.1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
John 20
21Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
Kind of silly question, isn't it ?I will ask you again. Do you try and obey each and every literal command of Christ?
I will ask you a third time. Do you believe Paul preached righteousness/ justification of observing the law?Kind of silly question, isn't it ?
What did the disciples tell JESUS "NO" to when JESUS told them to DO anything ?
(note that if they were wrong/ sinned/ they got chastised right away) ....
Likewise today, what does JESUS tell you to DO TODAY that you just want to ignore ? (or ignore without even hearing HIM)?
I will let Paul answer the question for you:Kind of silly question, isn't it ?
What did the disciples tell JESUS "NO" to when JESUS told them to DO anything ?
(note that if they were wrong/ sinned/ they got chastised right away) ....
Likewise today, what does JESUS tell you to DO TODAY that you just want to ignore ? (or ignore without even hearing HIM)?
What is up with people avoiding questions lately on CF. I think instead of asking I'm just going to answer my own question in my reply.I will let Paul answer the question for you:
Therefore no one will be declared righteous/ justified in his sight by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20
We who are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we too have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified
Gal2:15&16
You didn't answer my question.
I asked you what justification entailed. You responded by quoting Jesus words:
If you love me obey my commandments
I will ask you again. Do you try and obey each and every literal command of Christ?
If you do not, do you believe you are not justified/ righteous before God?
You try to obey each and every literal command of Christ?I try, but I fail. I believe I am currently in a state of grace, but if I sin and fall out of grace I can confess my sins.
Salvation is a process, not an event. Sin can separate us from God. It can shipwreck our faith.
I try, but I fail. I believe I am currently in a state of grace, but if I sin and fall out of grace I can confess my sins.
Salvation is a process, not an event. Sin can separate us from God. It can shipwreck our faith.
I think people quote random scripture in isolation without considering the whole message. It is true you must read the Bible as a cohesive whole. Then they run into trouble answering questions put to themWhat is up with people avoiding questions lately on CF. I think instead of asking I'm just going to answer my own question in my reply.
BTWI try, but I fail. I believe I am currently in a state of grace, but if I sin and fall out of grace I can confess my sins.
Salvation is a process, not an event. Sin can separate us from God. It can shipwreck our faith.
BTW
Justification of observing law does not allow for failure. Perfect obedience or no justification:
For whoever keeps the whole law yet stumbles at JUST ONE POINT is guilty of breaking all if it
James 2:10
Gal3:10&11 states in effect the same
What is up with people avoiding questions lately on CF. I think instead of asking I'm just going to answer my own question in my reply.
I will let Paul answer the question for you:
Just curious.
How many Christians do you know who try and obey each and every literal command of Christ?
In forty years of going to various denominational churches, I have not found any who do so
WowWell, I have been to several different churches during my lifetime of 66 years and have never attended a church where the ones following Christ do not try to keep every commandment. Sure, we may fall short at times but, one had better get back on the horse of repentance -- fast!
The bible says to examine ourselves so as to be sure that we are in the faith (truly Born Again) ?
It also states that many are fooling themselves.
What did Jesus say to some who thought that they were good to go ? Go away I never knew you.....
Best take it ((all)) very seriously I think.
M-Bob
If you know Paul, why could you not testify to the fact he didn't preach righteousness/ justification of observing the law?ACTS 19 “Jesus I know, and Paul I know about, but who are you? .
Sorry not trying to nitpicky, but technically it is. If the 1st command is Mark 12:30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’Obedience to Christ is not the law.
Obey or not obey. It seems as though this is the dividing question of many Christians today. For some, the keeping of the law was a burden we bore before Christ saved us but the fact is, we didn't keep the law then either! Why would God want people to obey His commandments in the first place if He was going to do away with them? What purpose do they have? If you knew the future that God has planned for those who love Him you might just understand it better.
When we are resurrected we are going to be like Christ is NOW. What is He like now? He is the all powerful, eternal Son of the Creator God. We are to be heirs WITH Him of all that God has given Him, rulers with Him on His throne. The power of being a child of God is boundless! God will not give this gift to anyone who would refuse to obey Him, think of the damage an eternal being with that kind of power could do! Look at what Satan did, and He's not even close to what we're going to be.
The Laws of God define what sin is, they are our instructors on what to do and what not to do. We must develop Godly character through obedience from our heart! Out of love for God, out of respect for Him. Christ makes our perfection possible by literally LIVING in us, using our bodies and minds to produce works of righteousness, growing in grace, which is undeserved forgiveness when we fall short. Before we had Christ living in us, any obedience we may have mustered was useless. After Christ is living in us all obedience is Christ's spirit doing it which makes it perfect.
If we despise the laws of God and refuse to keep His commands then the Spirit of Christ is not in us.
Romans 8:7-9 because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s Law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.
You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ
You can say that submitting to God is not required all you want but God says those who are hostile to Him refuse to submit to His Law and they are NOT CHRIST'S. HE said if we have His Spirit we will submit, why? Because we understand the reason God wants us to, we understand the enormous responsibility we are going to be given and ONLY those who have learned to LOVE His laws and allowed them to be written on their hearts will be in the Kingdom of God. But know that it cannot be done without the Spirit of Christ living in us. That Spirit is given as a GIFT, it can never be earned. Once we have it we MUST use it. How do we use it? By obeying.
If you know Paul, why could you not testify to the fact he didn't preach righteousness/ justification of observing the law?
I think I will have to put you on ignore. Your biggest contribution to this thread appears to be pressing the funny button.ACTS 19 “Jesus I know, and Paul I know about, but who are you? .
Law is law. Must be obeyed at all times.
You try to obey each and every literal command of Christ?
How many times have you refused to invite family members home for a meal, so you can instead invite the poor, lame and blind?
How many times have you leapt for joy when you are persecuted?
How many times have you truly in your heart loved your enemies? Those who may slander, malign and hate you
If someone stole something of yours, would you offer them more besides what they stole with nothing but love in your heart for them?
I can carry on if you like. How many times have you striven to obey these Commandments. Remember you say your justification hinges on obeying them
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