Why would God create a flawed creation?

[yesyoushould]

In Heaven, all choose good, because good is perfect, in every way.

 

[yesyoushould]

So he's not all powerful then, he can't do things on earth as he currently is?

God is all powerful. He loves you so much that He allows you to read my posts.

 

[Eudaimonist]

God is all powerful. He loves you so much that He allows you to read my posts.

So does Thor. I haven't seen Thor prevent me from reading your posts, even once!


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Dave Ellis]

God is all powerful. He loves you so much that He allows you to read my posts.

He also loved the world so much that he kept his existence hidden from the Western Hemisphere until the late 15th century.

 

[Messy]

So he's not all powerful then, he can't do things on earth as he currently is?

No He can't just do what He wants here. God can't do anything on earth unless His people pray. He wants to heal everyone, but He needs His people to step out and heal people in His Name and someone wanting to receive His healing.

 

[Messy]

They didn't die on the day they ate the fruit. The bible says they lived for hundreds of years afterwards.

A day doesn't Always mean literal that day, there are more examples of that in the Bible, like grass that dies in the evening, I've never seen grass come up in the morning and die that same evening, it's a way of speaking.

Then why were they kicked out of the garden to avoid them from eating from the tree of life, which would have given them eternal life?

Because now they sinned and had that nature of the devil also in them. Living in that state forever would have made them like demons. It was protection, so Jesus could bear their sins and they could get His nature again and be reconciled.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Any creation is non-god, therefore it is inferior to him, the "perfect". But if there are objective standards, maybe a "flawed" or non perfect creation is still a better option than non at all, just as for most healthy people I'd say life is worthwhile even though we're not God. So if we can choose life and be moral, cant God create us and be moral too?

 

[Eudaimonist]

No He can't just do what He wants here. God can't do anything on earth unless His people pray.

There goes omnipotence right out the window. This isn't even a matter of being unable to do the impossible, such as creating square circles.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

being all knowing does that mean you must react to everything you know?

being all powerful does that mean you must react to everything that happens?

 

[TLK Valentine]

No He can't just do what He wants here. God can't do anything on earth unless His people pray. He wants to heal everyone, but He needs His people to step out and heal people in His Name and someone wanting to receive His healing.

So you have power over God, then?

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

I don't believe God needs us for anything or to achieve anything.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

being all knowing does that mean you must react to everything you know?

Not necessarily, no. But however you do react, you react knowingly.

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

Not necessarily, no. But however you do react, you react knowingly.

which I believe God has.

 

[Messy]

So you have power over God, then?

No, we're to do what He says and He wants us to pray because He wants everything on earth as it is in heaven. I can't force Him to give me a Mercedes, that won't work, it must be His will and that's in the Bible.
This explains it very well:
Why Pray?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

which I believe God has.

Meaning that he knowingly created Satan, knowingly engineered the circumstances that would lead to mankind's fall, and knowingly created certain individuals who would ultimately be destined for Hell. The question then is this: why would an omnibenevolent God knowingly do all this?

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

Meaning that he knowingly created Satan, knowingly engineered the circumstances that would lead to mankind's fall, and knowingly created certain individuals who would ultimately be destined for Hell. The question then is this: why would an omnibenevolent God knowingly do all this?

he created things with a will of their own, yes, thank goodness, if you make someone love and worship you is that very moral, is n't it best to give people the option of loving and worshiping you.

 

[Messy]

and knowingly created certain individuals who would ultimately be destined for Hell.

Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

he created things with a will of their own, yes, thank goodness, if you make someone love and worship you is that very moral, is n't it best to give people the option of loving and worshiping you.

But you know whether or not they will choose to love and worship you before creating them. If being loved and worshiped is your goal, why decide to create individuals that you know will never choose to love and worship you? It's wasteful at best, cruel at worst, because those individuals are then destined for eternal torment in a place called Hell. God creates individuals that he knows will never choose to love and worship him, and then institutes the punishment for those who fail to love and worship him.

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

But you know whether or not they will choose to love and worship you before creating them. If being loved and worshiped is your goal, why decide to create individuals that you know will never choose to love and worship you? It's wasteful at best, cruel at worst, because those individuals are then destined for eternal torment in a place called Hell. God creates individuals that he knows will never choose to love and worship him, and then institutes the punishment for those who fail to love and worship him.

of course you know whether they will or not, so are you saying he should not have created anyone who would not worship him?

there is always a result of choice, good or bad, if they chose a certain way then they chose out of understanding hopefully, we all find our faith in different ways, if they are created then God says do you want to go to heaven or hell and then they decide on what would they decide?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

of course you know whether they will or not, so are you saying he should not have created anyone who would not worship him?

If he is all good, why would he? He's devised a punishment for those who choose wrongly, and he already knows exactly who is going to choose wrongly. It isn't even a "test". He knows the outcome with certainty.

there is always a result of choice, good or bad, if they chose a certain way then they chose out of understanding hopefully, we all find our faith in different ways, if they are created then God says do you want to go to heaven or hell and then they decide on what would they decide?

What would be gained from even asking them the question? He already knows the answer. He knew the answer before he even created them.