Why would God create a flawed creation?

[ananda]

If God was omniscient and omnipotent, then he wouldn't have knowingly created a flawed creation. However, creation is obviously flawed, so one of the following must be true:

1. While God is compassionate and loving, he is not omniscient (he could not see the results of his action), or
2. While God is compassionate and loving, he is not omnipotent (he could not create a perfect creation, or he did not have the power to sustain perfection in his creation), or
3. God is omniscient and omnipotent but uncompassionate and unloving (towards his creation he originated, dooming many to hell which he foreknew).

What saith ye?

 

[Jeremy E Walker]

If God was omniscient and omnipotent, then he wouldn't have knowingly created a flawed creation. However, obviously, creation is flawed,

I agree, creation is flawed.

But why do you say it was created flawed?

 

[ananda]

I agree, creation is flawed.

But why do you say it was created flawed?

Even if creation was perfect in the beginning, creation obviously had the potential to decay, and it did, therefore I say it was created flawed.

 

[Jeremy E Walker]

Even if creation was perfect in the beginning, creation obviously had the potential to decay, and it did, therefore I say it was created flawed.

How does that follow?

 

[ananda]

How does that follow?

Why create something with the potential to decay? What does that say about his heaven, then?

Most Christians, IMO, believe that heaven is a place of eternal perfection .. yet, if the creator could not create a creation from the beginning without the inherent potential for decay, what's to say that his heaven is not also subject to the inherent potential for decay? Or, in other words, why not create only heaven in the first place?

 

[Jeremy E Walker]

Why create something with the potential to decay? What does that say about his heaven, then?

You said that the fact that creation was created with the potential to decay means that it was created flawed.

Asking me two questions is not supporting your argument.

What reasons, or evidence, or arguments do you have to support your claim?

 

[juvenissun]

If God was omniscient and omnipotent, then he wouldn't have knowingly created a flawed creation. However, creation is obviously flawed, so one of the following must be true:

1. While God is compassionate and loving, he is not omniscient (he could not see the results of his action), or
2. While God is compassionate and loving, he is not omnipotent (he could not create a perfect creation, or he did not have the power to sustain perfection in his creation), or
2. God is omniscient and omnipotent but uncompassionate (towards his creation he originated, dooming many to hell).

What saith ye?

Human is created perfectly, yet is, as you said, flawed.
Do you know why? Can you envision why would a perfect being being flawed?
Don't be shamed. I could not either.

From the Buddhistic point of view, everything, include human is flawed. If so, how could anyone escape that even you do can think you are empty and everything else is also empty? Is a Buddha still flawed? Why not?

 

[juvenissun]

Even if creation was perfect in the beginning, creation obviously had the potential to decay, and it did, therefore I say it was created flawed.

A perfect robot has no potential to decay. Is that a flawed creation?
Your mind is quite simple on this thought.

 

[ananda]

You said that the fact that creation was created with the potential to decay means that it was created flawed.

Asking me two questions is not supporting your argument.

What reasons, or evidence, or arguments do you have to support your claim?

The inherent nature of decay supports my claim, IMO.

 

[ananda]

Human is created perfectly, yet is, as you said, flawed.
Do you know why? Can you envision why would a perfect being being flawed?
Don't be shamed. I could not either.

From the Buddhistic point of view, everything, include human is flawed. If so, how could anyone escape that even you do can think you are empty and everything else is also empty? Is a Buddha still flawed? Why not?

I do not believe humans are created perfectly.

Buddhism is a story for another thread

 

[ananda]

A perfect robot has no potential to decay. Is that a flawed creation?
Your mind is quite simple on this thought.

Decay is the flaw.

 

[bhsmte]

If God was omniscient and omnipotent, then he wouldn't have knowingly created a flawed creation. However, creation is obviously flawed, so one of the following must be true:

1. While God is compassionate and loving, he is not omniscient (he could not see the results of his action), or
2. While God is compassionate and loving, he is not omnipotent (he could not create a perfect creation, or he did not have the power to sustain perfection in his creation), or
2. God is omniscient and omnipotent but uncompassionate (towards his creation he originated, dooming many to hell).

What saith ye?

Legit question, considering how many Christians describe God's capabilities.

And, a question that some Christians, will engage in psychological gymnastics to answer.

 

[wiske]

If God was omniscient and omnipotent, then he wouldn't have knowingly created a flawed creation. However, creation is obviously flawed, so one of the following must be true:

1. While God is compassionate and loving, he is not omniscient (he could not see the results of his action), or
2. While God is compassionate and loving, he is not omnipotent (he could not create a perfect creation, or he did not have the power to sustain perfection in his creation), or
3. God is omniscient and omnipotent but uncompassionate and unloving (towards his creation he originated, dooming many to hell which he foreknew).

What saith ye?

God is a perfect Being. Is it conceivable that there can exist another perfect entity, person or thing, besides God? The answer is no; perfection is only attributable to One Being. This is basic thomistic theology, which nobody discussing this type of question should be ignorant about.

 

[Hezekiah Holbrooke]

Decay is the flaw.

Read your Bible. He created a paradise. There wasn't even any death, not even of the animals. Even the animals were tame and gentile.

 

[NannaNae]

 

[ananda]

Legit question, considering how many Christians describe God's capabilities.

And, a question that some Christians, will engage in psychological gymnastics to answer.

... which is one reason I support an unorthodox interpretation of the Bible

 

[bhsmte]

... which is one reason I support an unorthodox interpretation of the Bible

If a person accepts well evidenced realities, it becomes impossible to be a biblical literalist.

 

[ananda]

God is a perfect Being. Is it conceivable that there can exist another perfect entity, person or thing, besides God? The answer is no; perfection is only attributable to One Being. This is basic thomistic theology, which nobody discussing this type of question should be ignorant about.

Then what is heaven?

 

[ananda]

Read your Bible. He created a paradise. There wasn't even any death, not even of the animals. Even the animals were tame and gentile.

Then what went wrong?

 

[Hezekiah Holbrooke]

Then what went wrong?

Why not take this opportunity to find out for yourself and simply read your Bible? That's where you find the answers to your questions. I'll help you just this once: Sin entered the world.