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I would do things differently than flawed human mythology about a fictional character called "God".
eudaimonia,
Mark
with the emphasis on flawed? or fictional?
Because that is my perspective on the matter. I am pointing out the irony of asking a nonbeliever why he thinks he can question an infallible God.
Of course, one could still question God, and all one has to be is a human being who is capable of rational thought. Until God provides a detailed summary of different creation options, and the lists of positives and negatives for each option with an explanation why he chose one list over others, and presents some sort of proof that his is the best option, then it is certainly not wrong to express your own thoughtful views.
BTW, I suspect that "Well arent you special. You would do things differently then god. How are you in a position to question god?" is just an ancient human ploy to get believers to shut off their brains. It's a manipulative guilt trip.
eudaimonia,
Mark
Because that is my perspective on the matter. I am pointing out the irony of asking a nonbeliever why he thinks he can question an infallible God.
Of course, one could still question God, and all one has to be is a human being who is capable of rational thought. Until God provides a detailed summary of different creation options, and the lists of positives and negatives for each option with an explanation why he chose one list over others, and presents some sort of proof that his is the best option, then it is certainly not wrong to express your own thoughtful views.
BTW, I suspect that "Well arent you special. You would do things differently then god. How are you in a position to question god?" is just an ancient human ploy to get believers to shut off their brains. It's a manipulative guilt trip.
eudaimonia,
Mark
No it isnt. What authority do have to judge god.
How would you do things differently then.
To gottservant 'ill be back' soon.
To all atheists get ready 'ill be back'
it is irony (to say how dare you), but only to God? Is that your point?
the iconoclast said:What authority do have to judge god.
The authority of rational thought, which we all have as human beings.
eudaimonia,
Mark
The suffering he allowed to happen, but with his omnipotence could have prevented. That doesn't sound very loving to me.
I think most people would say a world where there was no suffering to begin with is preferable to one with suffering. If we think about the father/child analogy that some Christians are fond of using, your god appears quite neglectful and unloving. I think if I had the power to create a world without suffering, I would...
I am perplexed as to why you would want to assert rational thought as an authority, presumably on the basis of itself, when rational thought can only be arrived at once a prior commitment has been made (to something which, rationally speaking, is implicitly greater than the rational thought, itself, as it is).
What sort of commitment do you mean? And why are you saying that it is necessary?
eudaimonia,
Mark
The prefrontal cortex doesn't activate the use of rational evaluation (between it and the dominant mode network or it and the executive function, or the executive function and the dominant mode network together - this is complicated), unless there is something in the future to think about.
It's demonstrable that an omnipotent God could have created mankind with free fill but without any desire to cause suffering.
do you accept the premise that god is omnipotent?
but he is all powerful?He's all knowing, yes. He declares the end from the beginning, that's from Genesis and so on, I still believe He couldn't have known about satan and even if He could have known He couldn't have prevented it. He had knowledge by experience of evil, so that would mean He experienced evil when Lucifer rebelled.
Freedom and the Ability to Choose Evil | Reasonable Faith
I think it’s dubious that God could create a creature which has the ability freely to choose only the Good. Such an ability seems to belong properly only to a nature which has the property of moral perfection, a property that belongs to God alone. A free being which possesses a nature which is characterized by less than complete moral perfection (N.B. that moral perfection differs from mere innocence!) lacks the power to choose infallibly the Good. For God to create a being which has the ability to choose infallibly the Good would be, in effect, to create another God, which is logically impossible, since God is essentially uncaused; and, of course, omnipotence does not entail the ability to bring about the logically impossible.
Read more: Freedom and the Ability to Choose Evil | Reasonable Faith
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