Why worry about the Ten Commandments, if you are disregarding the Sabbath?

TruthMiner · Apr 11, 2006

For he is our peace, who has made us both one, and has broken down the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the Law of commandments and ordinances. (Ephesians 2:15).

The Handy Revised Version of Scripture says:

For he is our peace, who has made us both one, and has broken down the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the Law of ordinances but not the commandments.

Jesus Is Real · Apr 11, 2006

TruthMiner said:
For he is our peace, who has made us both one, and has broken down the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the Law of commandments and ordinances. (Ephesians 2:15).

The Handy Revised Version of Scripture says:

For he is our peace, who has made us both one, and has broken down the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the Law of ordinances but not the commandments.

And what is the Fulfillment of The Law of God that Christ did,.....that we are to "did"?

*chuckles* yes I said "did"~

jochanaan · Apr 11, 2006

Jesus Is Real, I regret that you seem to have such a negative impression of Sabbathkeepers. It is true that many people with harsh, legalistic temperaments have also honored the seventh-day Sabbath; yet not all of us subscribe to a theology that would condemn anyone who does not keep the Sabbath to hell.

I fully believe and understand that Jesus' work on the Cross means that we don't have to do good works or keep every law to gain our salvation, and I praise His Name that He has saved us! And in gratitude and love, I willingly obey a few simple rules that I understand He has given us for our benefit: I put nothing ahead of Him; I don't worship other images or use His name lightly or scornfully; I honor my parents and my neighbor's life, spouse, and property; I refrain from falsehood and excessive desire for anything except a closer relationship with my Heavenly Father; and I rest and worship on the day that many affirm is the Biblical Sabbath. Others may choose to do otherwise, and I will still accept them as brothers/sisters in Christ. For myself, though, I do my best to live by God's principles.

And just as not killing, stealing, committing adultery and the rest has great benefits to me in the form of better relationships with my fellow humans, so keeping God's Sabbath has enhanced my relationship with Him Who ordained it.

Again, I keep the Sabbath not from legalism or misplaced works-righteousness, but because I have found it a good thing to praise God and remember Him on the day He ordained for it. I regret any appearance otherwise, Jesus Is Real, and I ask your forgiveness if I have ever said anything that could be interpreted as condemnation toward you.

applepowerpc · Apr 11, 2006

Why worry about the Ten Commandments, if you are disregarding the Sabbath?

I say, why worry about the Ten Commandments, if you are disregarding the Two Commandments?

Matthew 22
36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37 Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

Redwolf · Apr 11, 2006

applepowerpc said:
I say, why worry about the Ten Commandments, if you are disregarding the Two Commandments?

Matthew 22
36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37 Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

They are a synopsis of the TEN.
The first four deal with our responsibilities toward God, the last six deal with our responsibility toward our fellow man.
See it?

Redwolf · Apr 11, 2006

TruthMiner said:
For he is our peace, who has made us both one, and has broken down the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the Law of commandments and ordinances. (Ephesians 2:15).

The Handy Revised Version of Scripture says:

For he is our peace, who has made us both one, and has broken down the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the Law of ordinances but not the commandments.

The law of commandments and ordinances is also referred to as the Mosaic Law, or sacrificial law.
The Ten are not part of that and were around long before God wrote them on that table of stone. Stone indicating permanence, as has the Rock of Ages.

Nightfire · Apr 12, 2006

Cliff2 said:
All the laws in the Bible come from God.

There are ten that God wrote and those ten have never been done away with.

I was referring to windmill's earlier post. Do you agree with it?

windmill said:
Now, there were two laws in the bible. Gods law, and moses law. This picture here explains that quite well:

As far as I know, Paul also didn't distinguish between "God's law" and "Moses' law", since they contained, for all practical and seremonial purposes, the same thing. Paul's distinction was between "the law" - which includes the Ten Commandments, written on stone, and by which the Jews would come to Christ - and faith, a "righteousness from God, apart from law", which describes the new (and the same time more ancient) way of living, a law written on men's hearts.

Rom 4: 27-31
Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

Dragons87 · Apr 12, 2006

Moses' Law is God's Law.

"Today the Lord your God gives you orders to keep all these laws and decisions: so then keep and do them with all your heart and all your soul." Deuteronomy 26:16

God gave His Law to Moses, who simply proclaimed it to the people.

applepowerpc · Apr 12, 2006

They are a synopsis of the TEN.
The first four deal with our responsibilities toward God, the last six deal with our responsibility toward our fellow man.
See it?

Sure I see it, and I'm sorry, but telling everybody else that you have to observe the Sabbath on a Saturday instead of a Sunday on a Julius Caesar calendar has absolutely nothing to do with loving the Lord your God. Besides, it is a direct violation of Colossians 2:16.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=col%202:16;&version=31;

If others such as myself exercise their God-given right to observe Sabbath on Sunday, they are loving the Lord their God just fine, and it is not for you to judge.

My, how we strain a gnat and swallow a camel around here.

woobadooba · Apr 12, 2006

applepowerpc said:
Sure I see it, and I'm sorry, but telling everybody else that you have to observe the Sabbath on a Saturday instead of a Sunday on a Julius Caesar calendar has absolutely nothing to do with loving the Lord your God. Besides, it is a direct violation of Colossians 2:16.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=col%202:16;&version=31;

If others such as myself exercise their God-given right to observe Sabbath on Sunday, they are loving the Lord their God just fine, and it is not for you to judge.

My, how we strain a gnat and swallow a camel around here.

Actually, according to the Greek, that which Col. 2:14 speaks of as being abolished is the record of sin, not the law.

It is important that we exegete passages correctly before trying to use them to support a point.

http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/col-comm.htm

I clipped the following from the article, which would benefit those who are trying to use Colossians to support the idea that the 7th day Sabbath has been abolished:

"Many denominations teach that the phrase "handwriting of requirements that was against us" (NKJV) in verse 14 refers to God's law. Because of this interpretation, they hold the antinomian position that Christ's death abolished the law. Yet that interpretation doesn't fit the context here, because verses 11 through 14 talk of sins being wiped out. The abolishment of the law would not make humans sinless, because sin was in the world before the law was given (Rom. 5:13), and death reigned from Adam to Moses because of sin (Rom. 5:12, 14).

So what is Paul saying in verse 14? The term "handwriting of requirements" comes from the Greek phrase cheirographon tois dogmasin. In recent years scholars have found where the word cheirographon was used by other writers in the same time period to refer to a signed bill of indebtedness. Such bonds were handwritten by the debtor so they could not be disputed later on. The word implies a sense of awareness of one's sins and the consequent indebtedness to God. Friberg defines cheirographon as "strictly, a handwritten document; in legal matters a promissory note, a record of indebtedness, bond; fig[uratively] in CO 2.14, not as the law itself, but as the record of charges (for breaking God's law), which stood against us and which God symbolically removed by 'nailing it to the cross,' handwritten account, record of debts."
Romans 6:23 tells us that the penalty for sin is death, because under the law there can be no forgiveness of sins without the shedding of blood (Heb. 9:22, Lev. 17:11). Clearly, Paul is saying in verse 14 that when the Colossians repented and accepted Christ's sacrifice on the cross, God allowed His death to pay their debt in satisfaction of the strict standards of the law."

rstrats · Apr 12, 2006

applepowerpc,

re: "...it is a direct violation of Colossians 2:16."

How have you been able to absolutely rule out that Paul wasn’t simply saying that (1) the blotting out of ordinances isn’t as The Living Bible explains it: "And blotted out the charges proved against you, the list of His commandments which you had not obeyed. He took this list of sins and destroyed it by nailing it to Christ’s cross." and (2) that he wasn’t also simply saying that the Colossians should not let anyone - other than the body of Christ, which is the church - criticize them for HOW they were observing the things mentioned in verse 16?

wild01 · Apr 12, 2006

My rest is in Jesus not a paticular day... I rest in him every day.

Jesus Is Real · Apr 12, 2006

wild01 said:
My rest is in Jesus not a paticular day... I rest in him every day.

You got it!!!!

woobadooba · Apr 12, 2006

wild01 said:
My rest is in Jesus not a paticular day... I rest in him every day.

That's great! But just keep in mind that God's rest is in a particular day.

"Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done." Gen. 2:1-3

And if we love God we will remember the day in which He rested, and sanctified, thus honoring it, and keeping it holy like He told us to do.

kw5kw · Apr 12, 2006

wild01 said:
My rest is in Jesus not a paticular day... I rest in him every day.

Bravo

Jesus Is Real · Apr 12, 2006

UPDATE FOR woobadooba SAKE IN LOVE:

woobadooba said:
As for resting from sin, I don't want to just rest from it, I want it completely out of my life. In fact, I want it to be completely removed from existence itself.

woobadooba,

Peace unto you from our Lord Jesus Christ.

The Seveneth Day Sabbath is God's Rest.
God rested on the 7th Day from all his Works and so must you/AND ME rest from all OUR 6 day's of works: OUR works of the flesh - sin.

So,....WE have been told what even the Seveneth Day means and you still want to debate about something you say you obey?
Does ANY OF US still want to walk in OUR own sins?
And to NOT rest from OUR OWN 6 days of work.

Added:--> The Number "6" is the name of man and beast = flesh nature and the enemies on the land I'm sure none of us want this,...I know I don't.
Each enemy, on the land, must be put to death

and considered dead

who is our old man and the demons then have to leave having no more ground to play-evilness in...., but ONLY as the Lord leads through His Spirit, little by little: Rom. 8:13-14.

For this is GOD'S SEVENETH DAY SABBATH!!!

Though it's known to be foolishness to man but MIGHTY IN GOD!!!

woobadooba....it takes a death on ALL OF OUR part to enter in the Seveneth Day of God's Rest,....this is why Christ came that WE might enter in through obedience of a child. This book I sent you will answer all your questions....if you have received my love offering box in the Joy that I too sent it.

(DELETED A SENTENCE HERE) The Body of Christ is here,...while some still need to enter in. His Whole Body is welcomed Woo, where WE ALL might truly find Rest WITH HIM AND WITH EACH OTHER IN LOVE. This is a Holy Word and it's good and it's righteousness, joy and peace in the Holy Ghost.

Come all OF you who labour and are weary (in your 6 days) and Jesus Our Lord will give you rest,..AS HE HAS SAID TO ALL OF US,... without cost: Only Believe and Obey with a child-like faith. And He will receive us all into His Joy!!! His Joy is your Strength!!!

Bless you richly,
Connie

For love's Sake....is that better Woo?

UPDATED FOR FUN TIME:

Jesus Is Real · Apr 12, 2006

kw5kw said:
Bravo

Yes it is so simple a child can understand it.
But we too must be patient with the other members of the Body while they learn to remove the enemies from of their land that Christ might give more of His Marvelous Light. And we must Forgive with every step,...for we are not unmindful of Satan's schemes so we "Forgive" through His Love and Peace.

Blessing all here,
Connie

woobadooba · Apr 12, 2006

Jesus Is Real said:
Chris,

Peace unto you from our Lord Jesus Christ.

The Seveneth Day Sabbath is God's Rest.
God rested on the 7th Day from all his Works and so must you rest from all your 6 day's of works: Your works of the flesh - sin.

So,....you have been told want even the Seveneth Day means and you still want to debate about something you say you obey? You still want to walk in your own sin? To NOT rest from your 6 days of work.

Woo....it takes a death on your part to enter in the Seveneth Day of God's Rest,....this is why Christ came that you might enter in through obedience of a child. This book I sent you will answer all your questions....if you have received my love offering box in the Joy that I too sent it.

So....enter in God's Rest with us! The Body of Christ is here,...while some still need to enter in. His Whole Body is welcomed Woo where you might truly find Rest. This is a Holy Word and it's good and it's righteousness, joy and peace in the Holy Ghost.

Come all you who labour and are weary (in your 6 days) and Jesus Our Lord will give you rest,... without cost: Only Believe and Obey with a child-like faith. And He will receive us all into His Joy!!! His Joy is your Strength!!!

Bless you richly,
Connie

Connie, this thread is about the Sabbath, not about me. And I am getting quite irritated that you keep bringing my personal life into it.

From this post of yours, as well as your other posts to me, you seem to be implying that I am really not a part of the body of Christ because 1. I am an SDA, and 2. I supposedly don't know what it means to rest in God.

This really bothers me! And if you can't see that your posts are replete with self-righteousness in this way, then you really need to look at them more closely, especially this one.

Jesus Is Real · Apr 12, 2006

woobadooba said:
That's great! But just keep in mind that God's rest is in a particular day.

"Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done." Gen. 2:1-3

And if we love God we will remember the day in which He rested, and sanctified, thus honoring it, and keeping it holy like He told us to do.

It's everyday!
Everyday in The Rest we now Work as Jesus Worked the land. Jesus hasn't been slack in His Instructions to His Own,.....He's the only One who can bring others along and He Is!!!

This is also His Rest in Knowing these things~

Jesus Is Real · Apr 12, 2006

woobadooba said:
Connie, this thread is about the Sabbath, not about me. And I am getting quite irritated that you keep bringing my personal life into it.

From this post of yours, as well as your other posts to me, you seem to be implying that I am really not a part of the body of Christ because 1. I am an SDA, and 2. I supposedly don't know what it means to rest in God.

This really bothers me! And if you can't see that your posts are replete with self-righteousness in this way, then you really need to look at them more closely, especially this one.

Woo,

What personal Life? (((Though I UPDATED IT NOW)))

Yeah happy now?
I am!

That was not about your personal life.......please stop accusing me in my that post, please. I forgive you,....

It's not always about ~you~ Woo.

I, for one also, must battle against the flesh nature.....that was not an exclusive word to you but for all of us Sweet Lady. *chucklesss* If it did touch your heart then........then receive it and please work your land that all of Israel might be free from the enemies on it!!! That the Land might have Her REST!!!

But Love is Patient!

Judg 1:3
3 And Judah said unto Simeon his brother, Come up with me into my lot, that we may fight against the Canaanites; and I likewise will go with thee into thy lot. So Simeon went with him.
KJV

Well re-read what I wrote then.....without any offenses. But what ever is rising up in you you need to address,...it's not you! It's an enemy on the land of your Promised Land. HEY I GOT THEM TOO!!!

So,....Of course your Saved out of Egypt, your your faith would faulter in hoplessness being not In Christ,....but now enter the Warfare - into God's 7th Day Rest and Do battle unto the enemies on the land.

Get it?
I too have to battle.......

We can battle together as Judah and Simeon did! If you want!~!!!

I love you,
connie

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