Why worry about the Ten Commandments, if you are disregarding the Sabbath? (2)

[Jesus Is Real]

Yes, but this thread is about the Sabbath, and why it is being ignored by people who don't agree that the other 9 commandments should likewise be ignored. It isn't about the carnal nature verses the nature of the Holy Spirit.

Please stay on topic.

Sure it is.
We were so carnal nature, without God, that
God had to come down and die for us taking upon
Himself the Wrath of God because we could not keep
the Whole Law - that includes Wooba even the Sabbath Day.

I was so on topic but it's our own flesh nature that misses each other in the midst of any topic,....even my own at times.

We are all in this together or we separate ourselves
from each other due to our flesh nature which will never keep Sabbath - no matter what the topic is Wooba, nor will we keep with Peace in Christ to extend it to others, because the flesh nature can not keep God's Law - it's under a curse.

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Oh Lord open our lips and our mouths will declare Praise!
Oh Lord open our lips and our mouths will declare Praise!
Oh Lord open our lips and our mouths will declare Praise!
Oh Lord open our lips and our mouths will declare Praise!

We have seen, we heard
In the City of our Lord;
In the City of our God - their secure;

 

[woobadooba]

Sure it is.
We were so carnal nature, without God, that
God had to come down and die for us taking upon
Himself the Wrath of God because we could not keep
the Whole Law - that includes Wooba even the Sabbath Day.

I was so on topic but it's our own flesh nature that misses each other in the midst of any topic,....even my own at times.

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Oh Lord open our lips and our mouths will declare Praise!
Oh Lord open our lips and our mouths will declare Praise!
Oh Lord open our lips and our mouths will declare Praise!
Oh Lord open our lips and our mouths will declare Praise!

We have seen, we heard
In the City of our Lord;
In the City of our God - their secure;

No Connie, you are not on topic.

If you want to discuss the topic of discussion then do so; but don't preach at those of us who are discussing it.

There is a difference between discussing things with people and preaching at them.

 

[Jesus Is Real]

No Connie, you are not on topic.

If you want to discuss the topic of discussion then do so; but don't preach at those of us who are discussing it.

There is a difference between discussing things with people and preaching at them.

Hi there Wooba,
Am I now suppose to tell you again that I was?

Peace ok?

There is no Law when there is Love in Christ.
And that can not even happen, until the flesh nature is being put to death but only as the Holy Spirit leads us.
See Rom. 8:8-14



Wooba are you reading my posts, in prayer and quietness?
Read them again if you wish to discuss this topic with me -regarding the Sabbath Day,.....I'm willing girl!


May Christ' Peace be in you more and more as myself as well,
connie

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Oh Lord open our lips and our mouths will declare Praise!
Oh Lord open our lips and our mouths will declare Praise!
Oh Lord open our lips and our mouths will declare Praise!
Oh Lord open our lips and our mouths will declare Praise!

We have seen, we heard
In the City of our Lord;
In the City of our God - their secure;

 

[woobadooba]

Hi there Wooba,
Am I now suppose to tell you again that I was?

There is no Law when there is Love in Christ.
And that can not even happen, until the flesh nature is being put to death but only as the Holy Spirit leads us.
See Rom. 8:8-14



Wooba are you reading my posts, in prayer and quietness?
Read them again if you wish to discuss this topic with me -regarding the Sabbath Day,.....I'm willing girl!


May Christ' Peace be in you more and more as myself as well,
connie







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Oh Lord open our lips and our mouths will declare Praise!
Oh Lord open our lips and our mouths will declare Praise!
Oh Lord open our lips and our mouths will declare Praise!
Oh Lord open our lips and our mouths will declare Praise!

We have seen, we heard
In the City of our Lord;
In the City of our God - their secure;

First of all, I am a male.

Scondly, perhaps you can explain why Christians, in general, agree that 9 of the 10 commandments ought to be upheld, while the 4th one is rejected. Hence, this is the topic of the thread.

 

[Jesus Is Real]

First of all, I am a male.

Scondly, perhaps you can explain why Christians, in general, agree that 9 of the 10 commandments ought to be upheld, while the 4th one is rejected. Hence, this is the topic of the thread.

I asked you several times in PM your sex, but you never gave me an answer so,.....

Ok your a man. Thank You. I am submitted.

To answer your question Wooba~
They are all NOT being upheld by any one, even today. Until we die to anger, lust, greed, rage, unforgiveness (just to name a few of the flesh nature which is the same as the Image and likeness of Satan), the Love of God is not being worked out through us.

That's the thing, no parts of the law is UPHELD.
NONE OF IT.
NONE.
NO NOT ONE COMMANDMENT.
Because of what is the truth of the whole matter as I said. Not because ~I said it~ but because it's His Truth.
Now His Truth gets me too - it kills my flesh too.
If I wasn't submitted to this Word, do you think I would be ~preaching it~ as you claim I'm preaching it.
Though I'm not a preacher, I'm proclaiming it.

I am a Prophet. But I'm a house-wife - but just keep your eyes on Jesus Christ.

That's it ~ in a nutshell~ My male friend, Highly BELOVED!!!

 

[Jesus Is Real]

First of all, I am a male.

Scondly, perhaps you can explain why Christians, in general, agree that 9 of the 10 commandments ought to be upheld, while the 4th one is rejected. Hence, this is the topic of the thread.

Before I say what I see you saying in the Spirit,.....I will ask you what are you saying here?





My husband wants to take me to the lake here, before it gets too dark. I'll check in later. Wooba, God bless you and again peace before us I pray!
I'll see you later,
Connie

 

[jochanaan]

... no parts of the law is UPHELD.
NONE OF IT.
NONE.
NO NOT ONE COMMANDMENT.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:17-20)

Have heaven and earth passed away?

 

[woobadooba]

To answer your question Wooba~
They are all NOT being upheld by any one, even today. Until we die to anger, lust, greed, rage, unforgiveness (just to name a few of the flesh nature which is the same as the Image and likeness of Satan), the Love of God is not being worked out through us.

That's the thing, no parts of the law is UPHELD.
NONE OF IT.
NONE.
NO NOT ONE COMMANDMENT.

So what are you saying Connie, that God is utterly failing to sanctify us?

Are we just as worse off morally as we were before we gave our lives to Christ?

Surely some of us keep those commandments at times, and at times we break them. But we don't break them all of the time.

I just can't agree with what you are saying.

By the way, I still don't see how this conclusion of yours answers the question of the OP.

 

[Jesus Is Real]

So what are you saying Connie, that God is utterly failing to sanctify us?

Are we just as worse off morally as we were before we gave our lives to Christ?

Surely some of us keep those commandments at times, and at times we break them. But we don't break them all of the time.

I just can't agree with what you are saying.

By the way, I still don't see how this conclusion of yours answers the question of the OP.

Wooba,

Back from the lake,

It answers it clearly........it's just our flesh nature that's gets in the way. Truly truly.

How would God's Word answer your questions there.
I can name a few verses.
But it's for you to know and rely on, when it comes down to it.

I love you Wooba - more so JESUS DOES.
Peace to you,
connie

updated~

 

[woobadooba]

Wooba,

Back from the lake,

It answers it clearly........it's just our flesh nature that's gets in the way. Truly truly.

How would God's Word answer your questions there.
I can name a few verses.
But it's for you to know and rely on, when it comes down to it.

I love you Wooba - more so JESUS DOES.
Peace to you,
connie

updated~

Connie, the point of asking you these questions was to get you to think more deeply about what you are really saying.

You see, Jesus didn't die to save us in sin, but to save us from it. Thus those who have chosen to give their lives to Him are not merely saved from the guilt of past sins, but are being saved from the power of sin. Hence, we are being sanctified.

This means that we aren't completely like we used to be. Rather, we are new creatures in Christ. Yet, we still have some rough edges. But God is molding and fashioning us according to His image. In other words, He is putting His holiness back into the fabric of our being.

So to say that no one is keeping any of those commandments that God has given us is like saying God is failing to sanctify us. In other words, it is the same as saying that we are in the same place that we were before we gave our lives to Christ, morally speaking of course.

Yet, even the Bible doesn't support this idea that no one is keeping the commandments of God. For, one of the identifying marks of the saints is that they do keep the commandments of God, but they also have the faith of Jesus.

"This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus." Rev. 14:12

 

[BrightCandle]

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:17-20)

Have heaven and earth passed away?

Good answer, my Seventh day Baptist brother!

 

[Cliff2]

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:17-20)

Have heaven and earth passed away?

Good point and heaven and earth were still there last time I looked.

So I would have to assume the law is still there as well.

 

[BrightCandle]

Then do you keep His Law ??

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
(Exodus 31:14-15 KJVA)

Oblio:

Here is a short answer: Is the church now living in a theocracy? No. That is why divine judgements don't kill all Sabbath breakers, and homosexuals, and rebellious youths. Was the Sabbath given to mandkind before the time of Israel's theocracy? Yes, it was given in the Garden of Eden before sin entered the human race. Was Exodus 31:14-15 written in stone, by God's own finger? No. It was written by Moses on paper. Was the Sabbath Commandment written on paper? No. It was written in stone, signifying permanance. The preceding questions and answers should clear up your faulty exegesis of Exodus 31.

 

[Cliff2]

No. It was written in stone, signifying permanance.

I can't wite on stone with my finger.

No human can, but God can.

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Connie, the point of asking you these questions was to get you to think more deeply about what you are really saying.

You see, Jesus didn't die to save us in sin, but to save us from it. Thus those who have chosen to give their lives to Him are not merely saved from the guilt of past sins, but are being saved from the power of sin. Hence, we are being sanctified.

This means that we aren't completely like we used to be. Rather, we are new creatures in Christ. Yet, we still have some rough edges. But God is molding and fashioning us according to His image. In other words, He is putting His holiness back into the fabric of our being.

So to say that no one is keeping any of those commandments that God has given us is like saying God is failing to sanctify us. In other words, it is the same as saying that we are in the same place that we were before we gave our lives to Christ, morally speaking of course.

Yet, even the Bible doesn't support this idea that no one is keeping the commandments of God. For, one of the identifying marks of the saints is that they do keep the commandments of God, but they also have the faith of Jesus.

"This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus." Rev. 14:12

'So how's your faith, Wooba?

If any are keeping the letter of the law, are they happy?
Are they being freed from anger.
,....from lust?
,.....from selfishness?
,.....from greed?
,.....from their own hurts by others?

In other words, "How is the Law working for you?"

Then why did Christ come, if you can keep them????

One can't be sanctified from breaking the law, until they actually turn to Christ for HELP and remain in HIM - not to then turn back to the Law as Gal. did. Which Paul called the works of the flesh!!!!


This is the Whole Point - we needed Christ.

The humble will cry out but the proud won't, because the proud is too busy building monuments to their hurts by men. Christ can't get through this - and He won't, until we all start trusting Him to be Lord over all who we are - even over our wounds. Which we all have, Wooba.

If they are keeping the letter of the Law, are they less of this world: anger, pride, rage, impatience etc? They don't whole heartedly forgive! So with that they lord things over others. So did my group when I was a Calvinist! I can admit it! Can anyone else?

Are they keeping the Sabbath Holy on these days when they hurt so bad? Nope. Because only Christ heals, Wooba. Not because a man/woman is saying this to you but because it's the truth.

I'm out of here, only because what ever I testify to you your not willing to hear.
I am not a fool, so I'm out.
Connie

 

[woobadooba]

'So how's your faith, Wooba?

If any are keeping the letter of the law, are they happy?
Are they being freed from anger.
,....from lust?
,.....from selfishness?
,.....from greed?
,.....from their own hurts by others?

In other words, "How is the Law working for you?"

Then why did Christ come, if you can keep them????

One can't be sanctified from breaking the law, until they actually turn to Christ for HELP and remain in HIM - not to then turn back to the Law as Gal. did. Which Paul called the works of the flesh!!!!


This is the Whole Point - we needed Christ.

The humble will cry out but the proud won't, because the proud is too busy building monuments to their hurts by men. Christ can't get through this - and He won't, until we all start trusting Him to be Lord over all who we are - even over our wounds. Which we all have, Wooba.

If they are keeping the letter of the Law, are they less of this world: anger, pride, rage, impatience etc? They don't whole heartedly forgive! So with that they lord things over others. So did my group when I was a Calvinist! I can admit it! Can anyone else?

Are they keeping the Sabbath Holy on these days when they hurt so bad? Nope. Because only Christ heals, Wooba. Not because a man/woman is saying this to you but because it's the truth.

I'm out of here, only because what ever I testify to you your not willing to hear.
I am not a fool, so I'm out.
Connie

Connie, as usual you are not listening to me.

When John said, "This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus." Rev. 14:12

Was he off his rocker for saying this? Who are we to believe, you or John?

You say that believers can't keep God's commandments, but John implies that commandment keeping is one of the identifying marks of a true believer. In fact, he specifically says that the "saints...obey God's commandments."

But also notice how he says that they "remain faithful to Jesus."

In other words, the only reason why they are capable of obeying God's commandments is because Jesus empowers them with the strength that is needed to do so.

I just can't agree with you Connie on the issue that we can't keep God's commandments, because what you are saying does not agree with what the Bible teaches.

In fact, the end of what you are saying implies that God is not capable of giving His people the strength to obey Him. This is unacceptable.

You see, it's not an issue of we can't keep them, but that we won't keep them. We always have a choice to obey God. And if we choose to obey Him, He will surely give us the strength that is needed to carry out the task of keeping His commands.

When you get a chance, look up Philippians 4:13.

 

[jochanaan]

In other words, "How is the Law working for you?"

I can't answer for my brother Woobadooba, my sister, but it helps me to live in peace with my brothers and sisters. Indeed, we cannot keep the Law by our own strength; but now that Jesus has saved us, we can begin to keep it as its Author intended, not in dead, stiff letters, but in "love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance". (Galatians 5:22-23)

Or would you have us obey no law but the Holy Spirit guiding us? Are you so advanced in the faith that you never mistake the Spirit's leading, or fail to follow where He leads on occasion? I am not. Perhaps when we see God's face we will no longer need any laws; but until that time they are our schoolmaster, as they have been from the time they were written. God does not change; His nature is "the same yesterday, and today, and forever." (Hebrew 13:8) So the principles behind the Law remain the same, although I freely admit the details may differ with changing conditions. The Sabbath, though, is hardly a mere "detail."

 

[woobadooba]

I can't answer for my brother Woobadooba, my sister, but it helps me to live in peace with my brothers and sisters. Indeed, we cannot keep the Law by our own strength; but now that Jesus has saved us, we can begin to keep it as its Author intended, not in dead, stiff letters, but in "love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance". (Galatians 5:22-23)

Or would you have us obey no law but the Holy Spirit guiding us? Are you so advanced in the faith that you never mistake the Spirit's leading, or fail to follow where He leads on occasion? I am not. Perhaps when we see God's face we will no longer need any laws; but until that time they are our schoolmaster, as they have been from the time they were written. God does not change; His nature is "the same yesterday, and today, and forever." (Hebrew 13:8) So the principles behind the Law remain the same, although I freely admit the details may differ with changing conditions. The Sabbath, though, is hardly a mere "detail."

The biggest problem I see with those who disagree with us is that they can't seem to differentiate between the moral law, and the law of sacrifices and burnt offerings/ceremonial law.

 

[Cliff2]

The biggest problem I see with those who disagree with us is that they can't seem to differentiate between the moral law, and the law of sacrifices and burnt offerings/ceremonial law.

When we look at it with an open mind that is what the issue is really about.

The moral law which was written by God in stone and the ceremonail law which God told Moses to write.

The interesting thing here is that Moses did not write the ceremonial law in stone.

 

[ThreeAM]

When we look at it with an open mind that is what the issue is really about.

The moral law which was written by God in stone and the ceremonail law which God told Moses to write.

The interesting thing here is that Moses did not write the ceremonial law in stone.

It is also interesting that the ceremonial laws were not placed inside the ark with the Ten Commandments.