Why worry about the Ten Commandments, if you are disregarding the Sabbath? (2)

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ThreeAM said:
God doesn't change


Then do you keep His Law ??

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
(Exodus 31:14-15 KJVA)
 
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Oblio said:
Then do you keep His Law ??

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
(Exodus 31:14-15 KJVA)


Oblio:

The Bible text that you quoted shows how serious in God's eyes it is to break the Sabbath Commandment, it is a very grevious sin. When Israel was a theocracy, those who premeditatly broke the Sabbath were put to death. God is not managing the world in a theocracy now, but sin is still sin. And Sabbath breaking is still Sabbath breaking. That is why it is so imperative that all of us humble ourselves and ask God to forgive us for dishonoring the Sabbath, and start "remembering" it like He said to in 4th Commandment.
 
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ThreeAM said:
God doesn't change


Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not...

Hbr 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Agree, now we know that God does not change so why should we?
 
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Oblio said:
Then do you keep His Law ??

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
(Exodus 31:14-15 KJVA)

Those who transgress the Law sin.

1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The wages of sin is death.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Adam and Eve sinned and they were condemed to death for their sin. Notice they were condemed to death on the day they sinned but the continued to live for many many years.


Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


Christ has obeyed God's law perfectly for you and me. Those who do not have Christ will surely die for their sins.

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Christ said we should keep the commandments

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Christ said if we love Him keep his comandments

Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

If we are God's children we should keep God's Commandments. Those who have Christ are known by their obedience.


1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


So Oblio yes I love God do you?


Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
 
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every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Do you support this commandment of God or not ?
 
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Oblio said:
every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Do you support this commandment of God or not ?

Oblio do you love God or not?

God is our judge it will be His decission who dies for their sins.

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
 
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ThreeAM said:
Oblio do you love God or not?

That's is a matter of heart, and not germane to this discussion.


God is our judge it will be His decission who dies for their sins.

Holy Scripture says that you (not God) shall put to death those who work on Saturday. It doesn't say a thing about God judging.

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


That's not a judgement of what God will do, but rather a warning as to what will happen if we lose Communion with God Who is Life.

Now, a question directly applicable and pertinent to the discussion at hand; do you support the death penalty for Christians who are not Sabbatarians as God commands you to do ?
 
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Oblio said:
every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Do you support this commandment of God or not ?

The Sabbath was given in the Garden of Eden before sin entered the human race. After sin entered the human race, the way the Sabbath breaking was dealt with changed during the epochs of history. The texts that you referred to, were given to Moses when Israel was theocracy, another God was the spiritual and civil leader of the nation. And Sabbath breakers receive the death penalty. For example a disrespectful youth who cursed his father or mother was put to death as well. In the NT time period, the Sabbath breaking is still a sin, but the world in not governed by a theocracy now, hence millions of human beings break the Sabbath and sin, but do not receive the death penalty.
However, if they continue to break the Sabbath in full knowledge of what the commandment requires, they will be lost forever.

Remember, what Jesus wrote in stone, did not mention putting anyone to death, that was written on paper by Moses. The Sabbath commandment does not say to put anyone to death, just to keep the 7th day holy.
 
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ThreeAM said:
Oblio do you love God or not?


Oblio said:
That's is a matter of heart, and not germane to this discussion.

LOL :D Sometimes you crack me up :D :D LOL

Of course it is germane to the discussion.

1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


This is a two way conversation ...we both get to ask questions. ;)






Oblio said:
Holy Scripture says that you (not God) shall put to death those who work on Saturday. It doesn't say a thing about God judging.

Where exactly did it say that maybe I missed it.:confused:




Oblio said:
That's not a judgement of what God will do, but rather a warning as to what will happen if we lose Communion with God Who is Life.

In your opinion

Oblio said:
Now, a question directly applicable and pertinent to the discussion at hand; do you support the death penalty for Christians who are not Sabbatarians as God commands you to do ?




The discussion at hand is why worry about the other 9 commamndments if you are disregarding the Sabbath. If we aren't discussing the whole issue then you are off topic. Simply put Christians follow God's law. We however are judged by our acceptance of Christ and His perfect works not by our own faulty works. Our love for God is evidence by our obedience to God's law. Christ will decide who are truely his sheep.

So Oblio do you love God?
 
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Oblio said:
Why do you not put to death Christians that do not keep the Sabbath as the Law commands you to do ? You are sinning by not doing so for God commands it to be done.
Tell you what, Oblio. I'll start killing Sabbath-breakers if you'll agree to start killing homosexuals and stone your children if they disrespect you.:idea:

(Please! This is NOT a serious proposal.)
 
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Oblio said:
every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Do you support this commandment of God or not ?

This is a strawman argument for the simple fact that children were to be put to death for dishonoring their parents to the extreme too. So does that mean that because God doesn't will that children be put to death in this way for this reason anymore that it is now OK for them to dishonor their parents in this way? Hence, your argument doesn't hold water, because you surely wouldn't agree that it is lawful for children to dishonor their parents to the extreme. For, if it were, there would be no sense in teaching them that they ought to be respectful of their parents.

So then, if you agree with the command which informs children that they ought to honor their father and mother, while knowing that they used to stone children for violating this command, but don't stone those who violate it anymore, why would you even dare try to say that the 4th commandment is no longer binding because those who violate it are no longer stoned?

Look, the truth is, God will see to it that lawbreakers will receive what's due to them in the day of judgment. So don't ask such absurd questions. Instead, do what God tells you to.
 
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every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Do you support this commandment of God or not ? (oblio)


How many times do we see in the Old Testamnet that God commands the sinner to be put to death because they have sinned?

It is more than once.

If you want it to apply to the Sabbath command then all the other commands would also apply.

At least that would have to be your thinking.

I do not see you coming out and supporting the other ones now.

Look at what Jesus did to the crowd when they brought the woman, taken in adultery to Him. Jesus wrote some words in the sand and asked where was her accusers.

Look at the commandments of God and see the big picture and not try and find away to break them and then justify the actions taken by suggesting arguements that would never be allowed today in the society that we live in.
 
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To any~

We cannot walk God's Kind of love (which is keeping the Whole Law) when we are in bondage to the selfish flesh nature.

:wave: The flesh nature must first die.
But this walk is only as the Holy Spirit leads us, flesh can't touch this walk....if our flesh does then we are still under a curse.

Jesus was heading for Calvary to die, being always lead by the Holy Spirit. We too must first do the same. :thumbsup:

We must die to our flesh nature first because there is another Law in our members---> that's warring against us, inside of us, from even walking in Love toward others.

This nature (this Law within us) must be put to death, daily - first, before we dare boast in Righteousness being at work by what we do.


:wave: Enter to Die, so that Faith Can Abide in He who Was Raised from the Dead. Keep the Focus on Jesus!
Connie
 
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There's a song that goes like this, from a christian grass roots singer in the Lord~

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The end of the song goes like this:
It's called: Oh Lord Open Our Lips


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Oh Lord open our lips and our mouths will declare Praise!
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Lord encourage us We Pray;
Those who live To obey, all the contrite and lowly of heart;

Through the night
Let us sing;
In the shadow of your wings, til at last from this earth we depart.

Oh Lord open our lips and our mouths will declare Praise!
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Oh Lord open our lips and our mouths will declare Praise!
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We have seen, we heard
In the City of our Lord;
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:thumbsup: I can give you this song if you like, this singer is not on the Radio - he's a grass roots sings. I bless him greatly for his Love of Christ!~ :hug:

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If you like to listen to see if you like him, called:
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Blessing others in Jesus Name,
Connie
 
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Jesus Is Real said:
To any~

We cannot walk God's Kind of love (which is keeping the Whole Law) when we are in bondage to the selfish flesh nature.

:wave: The flesh nature must first die.
But this walk is only as the Holy Spirit leads us, flesh can't touch this walk....if our flesh does then we are still under a curse.

Jesus was heading for Calvary to die, being always lead by the Holy Spirit. We too must first do the same. :thumbsup:

We must die to our flesh nature first because there is another Law in our members---> that's warring against us, inside of us, from even walking in Love toward others.

This nature (this Law within us) must be put to death, daily - first, before we dare boast in Righteousness being at work by what we do.


:wave: Enter to Die, so that Faith Can Abide in He who Was Raised from the Dead. Keep the Focus on Jesus!
Connie

Yes, but this thread is about the Sabbath, and why it is being ignored by people who don't agree that the other 9 commandments should likewise be ignored. It isn't about the carnal nature verses the nature of the Holy Spirit.

Please stay on topic.
 
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