Why worry about global warming?

[Witchy Bee]

Well sure, the Earth is changing all the time, but that's not quite what I meant...

 

[AV1611VET]

Well sure, the Earth is changing all the time, but that's not quite what I meant...

It's what I meant though.

After the 1000-year reign of Christ on the earth, He is going to suspend what's called the Strong Nuclear Force, and this is going to happen:

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Every element on the Periodic Table --- even the ones undiscovered --- is going to 'dissolve'.

 

[Witchy Bee]

It's what I meant though.

After the 1000-year reign of Christ on the earth, He is going to suspend what's called the Strong Nuclear Force, and this is going to happen:Every element on the Periodic Table --- even the ones undiscovered --- is going to 'dissolve'.

Really now? Why would any god want to do that to his creation? It seems so...pointless to spend so long putting something together and then just destroy it one day out of the blue. I mean, what is he waiting for then? Is God's concept of time different than our own or something?

 

[Paulos23]

the issue is global warming, not littering, or landfills. carbon dioxide is not pollution.

Then you wouldn't mind breathing from your car's tailpipe.

Oh wait...you can't breath that carbon dioxide (and carbon monoxide, and other stuff) coming out of that.

You sure that isn't pollution?

 

[AV1611VET]

By the way, nice to meet you.

Welcome to CF --- and the thread ---

Really now? Why would any god want to do that to his creation? It seems so...pointless to spend so long putting something together and then just destroy it one day out of the blue.

God created it perfect, but sin has brought it to ruin.

Indeed, the Bible says the universe cannot wait to be free from the burden of our sins:

For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

'Creature' here means 'the Creation'.

For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

The universe 'groans' under the weight of what we call the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, which is literally killing her.

I mean, what is he waiting for then?

God works on a timetable.

He is what we [reverently] call a 'Dispensationalist'.

Is God's concept of time different than our own or something?

In a sense --- yes.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[Witchy Bee]

Uh-huh...

So if the universe was dying wouldn't God be included in the universe? Or is he somehow not a part of this reality?

If sin is killing the universe then why doesn't God just make it perfect again? what exactly is the "2nd Law of Thermodynamics"?

I'm sorry to ask so many questions.

 

[Alunyel]

By the way, nice to meet you.

Welcome to CF --- and the thread --- God created it perfect, but sin has brought it to ruin.

If something's perfect, it can never become imperfect. If something becomes imperfect, then it's because it had a flaw to begin with. Perfection is a constant. Something can never become perfect, neither can something cease to be perfect.

That's the rest of your post out the window, too, because it's all based on the premise that something can lose its perfection. Obviously, if something was perfect, then there are no means by which it can become imperfect.

 

[Alunyel]

what exactly is the "2nd Law of Thermodynamics"?

That the flow of energy balances itself out.

Say you had 2 airtight containers, one had a compressed gas in it, the other wasn't compressed. You link the two together through a hose and the compressed gas releases its energy into the other container, until the pressure in them is equal.

We get all of our energy from the Sun. The Sun's energy is being dissipated into space, where there is no energy, and we receive some of it. Eventually, the all of the Sun's energy will have dissipated.

 

[AV1611VET]

So if the universe was dying wouldn't God be included in the universe? Or is he somehow not a part of this reality?

He is somehow not a part of the universe.

We say He is 'transcendent' --- meaning He is outside of the bounds of physical reality.

If sin is killing the universe then why doesn't God just make it perfect again?

He will, but in His own time.

God works on a timetable.

what exactly is the "2nd Law of Thermodynamics"?

The Second Law of Thermodynamics, instituted in Genesis 3 because of the Fall, and also a part of what we call 'the Curse', says that whenever a physical system that runs on heat operates, it loses some of its heat through dispersement.

This is why you just can't inject steam into a tubular pipe and have it just go around and around and around heating the pipe all day.

Eventually the heat will disperse out into the air, cooling the steam, and causing it to condense back to water.

Thus a boiler is necessary to supply more heat to keep the steam from cooling back into water.

As it applies to the universe --- the universe is eventually going to 'run down' (go from steam back to water) to where there is no transfer of heat from one location to the other.

Everything will be in a state of what is called 'thermal equilibrium', which means every cubic inch of the universe is going to be at the same temperature.

Unless more power is supplied from a source outside of the universe, 'heat death' or 'maximum entropy' will be the order of the day.

I'm sorry to ask so many questions.

That's okay --- that's what we're here for ---

 

[AV1611VET]

If something's perfect, it can never become imperfect. If something becomes imperfect, then it's because it had a flaw to begin with. Perfection is a constant. Something can never become perfect, neither can something cease to be perfect.

That's the rest of your post out the window, too, because it's all based on the premise that something can lose its perfection. Obviously, if something was perfect, then there are no means by which it can become imperfect.

Don't confuse "perfection" with "omnipotence".

A "perfect painting" can be destroyed in a fire.

 

[AV1611VET]

That the flow of energy balances itself out.

Say you had 2 airtight containers, one had a compressed gas in it, the other wasn't compressed. You link the two together through a hose and the compressed gas releases its energy into the other container, until the pressure in them is equal.

We get all of our energy from the Sun. The Sun's energy is being dissipated into space, where there is no energy, and we receive some of it. Eventually, the all of the Sun's energy will have dissipated.

That's the word I was looking for ---

I said 'dispersed'.

Your word is better.

 

[Alunyel]

Don't confuse "perfection" with "omnipotence".

A "perfect painting" can be destroyed in a fire.

A painting that was perfect would be impervious to anything that would damage or destroy it. It's impossible to strip something of perfection, it's also impossible for something that was imperfect to become perfect.

Essentially, the painting's flaw was that it was flammable.

 

[AV1611VET]

A painting that was perfect would be impervious to anything that would damage or destroy it. It's impossible to strip something of perfection, it's also impossible for something that was imperfect to become perfect.

Onceamoa --- please don't confuse 'perfect' with 'omnipotent'.

They are two different things.

 

[Alunyel]

God created it perfect, but sin has brought it to ruin.

If God created it perfect, then it would still be perfect.

 

[Witchy Bee]

If God created it perfect, then it would still be perfect.

You would think...

I don't think it's possible for something to be perfect. The closest thing there is to perfection is achieving a balance between bad and good, and that kind of balance only exists in nature. Therefore, I guess it's perfect, but probably not how other people would define perfection. When most people think of perfection they think of all good things. That just doesn't makes sense to me though.

 

[Muad Dib]

A painting that was perfect would be impervious to anything that would damage or destroy it. It's impossible to strip something of perfection, it's also impossible for something that was imperfect to become perfect.

Essentially, the painting's flaw was that it was flammable.

Perfection is entirely subjective though, a painting would not be perfect to me if it could not be destroyed in a fire, and would not have to be up kept at a specific temperature/humidity.

And so perfection could be stripped away, when someone finds a material that will make my painting temperature/humidity resistant and applies it.

 

[serenity2517]

Isis, of course it's possible for something to be perfect. God is perfect. God created us in his image, so we're perfect. Well, Men are at least... it was a silly girl like you and me that sinned and ruined the perfection God created here on earth. Sometimes I wish I could go back and punch Eve in the face. What kind of person would curse us like that? But that wouldn't be the Christian thing for me to do! I'll keep following God's will and spreading his love so that we can all be saved and be accepted into Jesus' arms when the rapture comes!

 

[serenity2517]

Muad, what does subjective mean?

 

[Cabal]

Isis, of course it's possible for something to be perfect. God is perfect. God created us in his image, so we're perfect. Well, Men are at least... it was a silly girl like you and me that sinned and ruined the perfection God created here on earth.

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No Isis, you're only a silly girl, so don't bother trying to even be perfect compared to us d00ds.

Yeesh.

Poe/troll fail - try some theology from the 19th century rather than the 9th...

 

[serenity2517]

Cabal, you don't believe that Eve ate the apple from the tree of knowledge against God's will?