Why worry about global warming?

[mzungu]

What about them?

Well you do know that while American soldiers were getting killed in battle during WW2 the Bush family Bank was purposely accepting NAZI money? How The Bush Family Made Its Fortune From The Nazis The Dutch Connection
We all know about George Bush's wars in Iraq etc.
By the way the picture in your post is of a stereotypical WASP family. Are you implying something there?

 

[dad]

OKEY DOKEY:

Exodus 21:3-4 Says that if a male slave is given a wife by his master (regardless of how long they are wed, how much they love each other or if they have kids) he can not leave servant hood with his wife or children. The woman and children are merely property of the master and their personal happiness or sanctity of family doesn’t matter.

Exodus 21:7 God not only sanctions selling ones daughter into slavery, but he also gives out laws on how it should be done.
Exodus 21:10 God ordains men taking several wives and even sets up laws as to how multiple wives should be handled.

Leviticus 12:1-8 Explains that a woman has to be purified after giving birth because she is “unclean”. It goes on to say that birthing a male is cleaner then birthing a female, hence a mother must purify TWICE as long when having a daughter. This is BLATANT sexism from the point of birth. A woman is dirty simply for being a woman; this is obviously very biased and chauvinistic.

Leviticus 15:19-30 Explains that a woman having her menstruation must be avoided to the point of not even touching what she has touched. It is quite curious that women are punished for simply having a biological function that “God” claims to have created. What is so just about vilifying what you created?

Leviticus 18:19 Goes onto say that even LOOKING at a menstruating woman is wrong.

Leviticus 19:20 Says that if a man has sex with a slave or betrothed woman he must then “scourge” her. Scourging is a term for a severe flogging or whipping. I find it quite curious that the woman shall be punished to the point of a beating for such an occurrence, yet the man gets to go free for the deed.

Leviticus 21:9 Explains that unchaste daughters of priests must be burnt to death. What about his unchaste sons? Of course this isn’t even answered in the Torah, we are to assume yet again that men have the power to do as they wish and a woman must suffer the punishment for BOTH of them.

Leviticus 27:3-7 God places a monetary value on human life; with women worth less than men.
Numbers 1:2 Is the basis for the sexism that remains rampant today. In this verse Moses takes a poll of all the men who are able to fight in war, women aren’t even counted in the census. Apparently back then, just like today, us women are considered the weaker species and unable to battle. (Let’s not forget that during the time the Pentateuch was written women in Pagan cultures were FEARED and revered as the more powerful species. It is because of this patriarchal religion and it’s offshoots that we have been reduced to cowering sub-humans.)

Numbers 30:3-16 A woman can’t make a vow unless her husband allows it.

Numbers 31: 14-18 Moses tells his men to kill all the males, non-virginal women, elderly and children of the Midianite tribe. Of course, the virgin women are kept for raping. If you read later down in the scripture God states that the Jews can not even marry a Midianite woman (with exception to Moses). Hence these women who were captured were repeatedly raped and impregnated and they weren’t even allowed a marital status in which to protect them.

Deuteronomy 20:13-15 Kill all the men and boys in the cities that God “delivers into your hands,” but keep the women for raping.

Deuteronomy 21:11-14 If you see a pretty woman among the captives then just take her home and “go in unto her.”

Deuteronomy 22:5 Women that wear men’s clothing are an “abomination unto the Lord.”

Deuteronomy 22:13-22 Women, be sure to keep the tokens of your virginity. Otherwise the men of your city may stone you to death. This does not apply to men though, of course. What is interesting to note here is the actual wording, it says : “that if a man hateth his wife he may say she did not have the tokens of her virginity”. Since there is no way a woman can truly prove she had a hymen upon marriage the word rests on the husband and she can be disposed of simply when he tires of her.

Deuteronomy 22:23-24 is one of the most cruel and sexist passages of the Torah. It says that women who are raped and fail to “cry out loud” in a populated area are most likely enjoying the attack should be killed.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 A rapist must buy his victim from her father for 50 shekels. Is this supposed to be some type of retribution? What about the victim here, what if she doesn’t want to marry a pig who raped her? All that matters is her father receives payment for his “property”.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 Says that we must cut off a woman’s hand if she touches the “secrets” of a man who is fighting with her husband…“And thine eye shall not pity her.” Once again, there is no punishment for the man she touched, only the woman.

Everything you listed was for a people long ago. They lived in a world that was a certain way. There were slaves...etc.

 

[dad]

Well you do know that while American soldiers were getting killed in battle during WW2 the Bush family Bank was purposely accepting NAZI money? How The Bush Family Made Its Fortune From The Nazis The Dutch Connection
We all know about George Bush's wars in Iraq etc.
By the way you picture is the typical WASP family. Are you implying something there?

Yes. I am implying that some will be happy to look up and see Christ return. I take it by your racist comment that you hate whites?

As for your conspiracy theories, maybe look around more. They have them for Obama, the royals, Gore, and probably anyone else that rises above a position of shinin shoes, boy.

 

[mzungu]

Everything you listed was for a people long ago. They lived in a world that was a certain way. There were slaves...etc.

Is this some sort of a joke?

are you denying the scriptures? (“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.)

 

[dad]

Is this some sort of a joke?

are you denying the scriptures? (“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.)

No, the bylaws for long ago exist. It never says all men are not to eat pork does it?

 

[mzungu]

Yes. I am implying that some will be happy to look up and see Christ return. I take it by your racist comment that you hate whites?

As for your conspiracy theories, maybe look around more. They have them for Obama, the royals, Gore, and probably anyone else that rises above a position of shinin shoes, boy.

It is not conspiracy theory. (How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news | The Guardian)

GUARDIAN - George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany. The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism. His business dealings . . continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. . .
The new documents . . show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty. . .
While there is no suggestion that Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi cause, the documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman, acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade. The Guardian has seen evidence that shows Bush was the director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation that represented Thyssen's US interests and he continued to work for the bank afte...............

 

[mzungu]

No, the bylaws for long ago exist. It never says all men are not to eat pork does it?

Do you have a problem understanding the quote I gave you from the Bible?

 

[dad]

Do you have a problem understanding the quote I gave you from the Bible?

My point is that the laws were for Jews long ago. For example Peter was shown that he could eat whatever was set before him.

 

[dad]

It is not conspiracy theory. (How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news | The Guardian)

GUARDIAN - George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany. The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism. His business dealings . . continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. . .
The new documents . . show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty. . .
While there is no suggestion that Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi cause, the documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman, acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade. The Guardian has seen evidence that shows Bush was the director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation that represented Thyssen's US interests and he continued to work for the bank afte...............

Right, and maybe Obama was born in Africa, and Ford knew who shot Kennedy, and there are secret occult groups with a lot of power, and etc etc etc. So?

 

[mzungu]

My point is that the laws were for Jews long ago. For example Peter was shown that he could eat whatever was set before him.

What don't you understand about the following sentece?: till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven

So are you having a problem understanding what Jesus said?
Do you feel that YOU can actually relax the laws that Jesus commanded us to adhere to?

 

[dad]

What don't you understand about the following sentece?: till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven

So are you having a problem understanding what Jesus said?
Do you feel that YOU can actually relax the laws that Jesus commanded us to adhere to?

I have to ask myself if that refers to prophesy, or to all eating no pork one day?

 

[Jazer]

I don't know about evil women but evil disobedient children that should be put to death ring a bell?

The wages of sin is death. If your not saved and redeemed then death is what you have to look forward to. The law of God can be very strict, yet we live under the Grace of God and this is the age of Grace. So again you are without excuse. Do you know what it means to die in your sin? There is so much you do not understand.

 

[mzungu]

I have to ask myself if that refers to prophesy, or to all eating no pork one day?

I am wasting my time debating with you since you do not have the decency to answer the simple questions I put forth. you have just proven what I have been saying all along: "Creationists will go against the Bible if need be in order to avoid admitting they are wrong"!

You are now on my IGNORE list as it is a waste of time discussing anything with you!

 

[dad]

I am wasting my time debating with you since you do not have the decency to answer the simple questions I put forth. you have just proven what I have been saying all along: "Creationists will go against the Bible if need be in order to avoid admitting they are wrong"!

You are now on my IGNORE list as it is a waste of time discussing anything with you!

Great. If you though discussing meant assuming God was a turkey, you had er wrong.

 

[dad]

What don't you understand about the following sentece?: till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven

So are you having a problem understanding what Jesus said?
Do you feel that YOU can actually relax the laws that Jesus commanded us to adhere to?

Oh, and the "these commandments" He was referring to had NOTHING to do with the ancient bylaws for ancient Jews.

 

[Jazer]

So are you having a problem understanding what Jesus said?
Do you feel that YOU can actually relax the laws that Jesus commanded us to adhere to?

I believe we should follow the law of God. It may not be a condition of our salvation because then that would be salvation by works and not by grace. But the law is there for our benefit and for our welfare. The American Heart Association has very strict diet guidelines, just like the Bible. They are there for our benefit to promote good health. Do you have a problem with a healthy life style and eating right? If you do not follow the diet laws then you will not be as healthy and you could die sooner. That is what science tells us. That is what my doctor and his nurses tell me.

One of the most prescribed pills has to do with cholesterol. Basically people eating to much animal fat. That is prohibited by the Bible to eat. If people just do not want to eat right, then they will give you a pill to try and control the damage from eating the wrong food and not following a good proper diet. My brother runs, exercises and eats right. All of his tests come back with good results so he does not have to take any of the pills they prescribe for the people that do not follow a proper diet.

People from other countries think that Americans are crazy that they do not exercise and Americans do not eat right. In cities like Amsterdam half the people ride a bicycle rather then to drive a car. They feel this is a more healthy life style to get more exercise.

 

[mzungu]

I believe we should follow the law of God. It may not be a condition of our salvation because then that would be salvation by works and not by grace. But the law is there for our benefit and for our welfare. The American Heart Association has very strict diet guidelines, just like the Bible. They are there for our benefit to promote good health. Do you have a problem with a healthy life style and eating right? If you do not follow the diet laws then you will not be as healthy and you could die sooner. That is what science tells us. That is what my doctor and his nurses tell me.

So killing disobedient Children is part of a healthy lifestyle?

 

[Jazer]

So killing disobedient Children is part of a healthy lifestyle?

No child was ever killed. At least the Hebrew people say they never killed a child. I am against the death penalty. But when I see the problems they have with people in the max security prisons sometimes I wonder if I should reconsider. If you have a problem understanding the law of God, then that is no problem because we live under the Grace of God. So again, you are without excuse.

Read the 119 Psalm. David talks about his love for the law of God. I did not understand that at first. Then I began to see that the law of God is a reflection of the love that God has for us. The law is intended for our welfare and our protection. That is why man has made a real mess out of things. He just does not understand Gods law and how we are to be guided by the law.

 

[AV1611VET]

What don't you understand about the following sentece?: till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven

So are you having a problem understanding what Jesus said?
Do you feel that YOU can actually relax the laws that Jesus commanded us to adhere to?

Mzungu, let me appeal to dispensation theology to answer your point here.

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Back in Exodus 19, the Israelites were under the [4th] dispensation of Promise; but at the foot of Mount Sinai, the dispensation of Promise ended, and the [5th] dispensation of Law started.

This dispensation ran from the giving of the 10 Commandments to the renting of the Temple veil from top to bottom at Jesus' crucifixion.

Mark 15:38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

We now live in the [6th] dispensation of Grace (also known as the Church Age), which will end at Armageddon.

I hope this helps.

 

[Nostromo]

Nope -- Adam gets the credit for that:

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

I'm interested as to why it lays the blame on Adam, and solely on Adam.