Why we MUST protect our borders

[dzheremi]

Are you serious!? How horribly insensitive you are to call what this woman and many other Lebanese people experienced and endured, "garbage"! Tens of thousands of people lost their lives to radical Muslims and you have the gaul to call her testimony GARBAGE?

Her testimony is garbage. There. Now you actually have a reason to get mad.

How about the genocide in Turkey, is that also GARBAGE?

Oh Lord...why on earth would you say this to an Armenian person? Speaking of gall...

Just because things with someone you know in Lebanon "today" are ok does not discount what Brigette Gabriel endured at the hands of radical Muslims who invaded the country after Lebanon made the exact same error the USA is making today.

Which error is that -- the one when the USA supported the Israelis in their wars against the Palestinians that led to the Palestinian refugee situation in Lebanon in the first place, or the one where the USA is funding and supporting Islamists who are killing Syrians (Syrian Armenians and others) today, resulting in more Syrian immigration into Lebanon (a lot of which is Christian)? I want to know which thing to be mad about.

The POINT of the video is to warn Americans of what can happen if we continue to permit unvetted Muslims enter the country.

We're surrounded by many majority-Roman Catholic (i.e., Christian) countries to our south and southeast (Cuba, Haiti, Dominican Republic), and a majority people-named-Doug country in our friendly neighbor Canada. I think we'll be fine.

You seem to be taking on this woman's problems second-hand. That's a little weird. I mean, I'm Coptic Orthodox so I hear a lot more about what Muslims sometimes do to Christians in Egypt than you probably do searching for Bridgette Gabriel videos on YouTube, but that doesn't mean Egypt and America are in the same boat. And neither are Lebanon and the USA rationally comparable. We don't have religious militias operating autonomously within our borders (unless you want to count idiots like those Bundy rancher people as a kind of Christian militia), we don't have a confessional political power-sharing scheme in our government that requires the president and various other figures to be of certain faith communities, and we're not tiny. Lebanon could fit into the USA 945 times. Also we have huge oceans insulating us from the reality of the refugee crises we help create, while Lebanon does more than its fair share to clean up everybody else's mess, as usual (as have some other countries in the region; notably lagging behind are the oil-rich Gulf nations, which are usually the ones we think of as our friends, because nobody in the USA who doesn't have some kind of ties to the MENA region knows anything about anything, apparently).

Your post is absolutely outrageous trash-heap material.

This entire thread is trash-heap material, so enjoy your manufactured outrage sandwich and all the superiority that watching YouTube videos apparently earns you so that you can keep telling someone whose family lives there what it's like in their own country. Maybe next you can go to Bourj Hammoud and tell everyone there what the Armenian Genocide was like.

 

[High Fidelity]

Would this also include a wall with the northern borders as well?

If it doesn't then the entire premise falls on its face; at least any credibility.

 

[Oafman]

The video is a warning to North American countries about what will happen to us if we continue to permit improperly vetted refugees to enter.

If you help refugees, there'll be a war in America between Shi'a extremists and Jewish extremists? You sure?

 

[Armoured]

If you help refugees, there'll be a war in America between Shi'a extremists and Jewish extremists? You sure?

Naah, the enormous submarine nets will keep that from happening.

 

[smaneck]

The video below is the testimony of a Lebanese woman named Brigitte Gabriel who lived in an 8'x10' bomb shelter as radical Muslim extremists took advantage of Lebanon's "open border policy".

Has there ever been a terrorist attack in the US on the part of someone who snuck across the border? I don't think so.

The Lebanese do not have an open-door policy towards immigration. However, they border Syria and have a special relationship with that country. Lebanon was carved out of Syria by the French in order to have a Christian majority country there. (It no longer predominantly Christian.) Because Arabs regard Lebanon as colonial construct, Syrians generally had enjoyed freedom of movement there. But this took the form of six month visas. Yes, Lebanon has taken in a million and a half refugees, but it is a transit country. They can't stay as there are no jobs for them.
Furthermore what happened to Brigitte Gabriel had absolutely nothing to do with their immigration policies, it was the result of the Lebanese Civil War during the 70's. I mentioned that Lebanon was carved out Syria to be a place with a Christian majority. The legislature was set up in such a way that the President would be Maronite Christian, the Prime Ministerwould be Sunni and the Speaker of the House would be Shi'ite. (Presidents are the chief executives in Lebanon, not the Prime Minister) This pretty much reflected the political hierarchy of each community. By the 70's Christians were no longer in the majority, but it wasn't because of immigration, it was because of the higher birth rate of the impoverished Shi'ite community making them now the largest community. However, the Maronite Christians refused to redivide the political pie which is what led to the Civil War. While Brigitte attempts to present the Muslims have barbaric fanatics she fails to mention all the atrocities committed by Maronites during that conflict, most especially the
Sabra and Shatila massacre carried out with the help of the Israeli military. For three days the Phalangists raped, pillaged and killed people in that refugee camp, none of whom were civilians (these having already been removed.) Between 1500-3000 were killed. And she wants to call Muslims barbaric?

 

[Armoured]

As there ever been a terrorist attack on the part of someone who snuck across the border? I don't think so.

9/11 and Paris attacks citation in 3...2...

 

[smaneck]

9/11 and Paris attacks citation in 3...2...

I was thinking about the US. The 9-11 terrorists did not sneak across the border. They came on student visas which they overstayed. There are much easier ways to get into the US than crossing the Sonora desert. A wall is not going to keep them out.

 

[smaneck]

It's a given that a nation protect its borders. If America's immigration laws were as prosecuted as are Mexico's we wouldn't have an issue with illegals.

Uh, no. Because most of the immigrants coming through our southern border are from Central America. If Mexico was more effective at prosecuting their own immigration laws, those Central Americans wouldn't be able to get here in the first place.

 

[smaneck]

Given the obvious fact that you did not even watch the video seeing that you posted only 6 minutes after the thread originated, I'm sure you'll understand why most of us will ignore your silly opinion.

A lot of us already know what this lady stands for:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Gabriel

Again, she is a hate-monger who ignores the atrocities committed by her own community.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

 

[Armoured]

The 9-11 terrorists did not sneak across the border.

I am aware of this. However, whenever some neocon anti-Muslim bigot starts going on about closing the border to "stop terrorists" 9/11 invariably gets mentioned. None of the recent Paris attackers "snuck over" any borders, either, but it's received wisdom in the neocon echo chamber that most of them were refugees from Syria.

Truth < truthiness. Facts < ad hoc justification.

 

[Armoured]

Uh, no. Because most of the immigrants coming through our southern border are from Central America. If Mexico was more effective at prosecuting their own immigration laws, those Central Americans wouldn't be able to get here in the first place.

If only Mexico had more enormous submarine nets.

 

[smaneck]

Nobody minds them they come to get some beer go to their doctors appointment and then they go back home...

Yet if terrorists try and cross our borders they are much more likely to do it from the Canadian side. After all, we had Canadians in Guantanamo and not a single Mexican.

 

[Armoured]

Yet if terrorists try and cross our borders they are much more likely to do it from the Canadian side. After all, we had Canadians in Guantanamo and not a single Mexican.

Yet all the hysterical panic stories are about terrorist camps in Mexico, not Canada. Curious, no?

As I've pointed out ad nauseum elsewhere, of course, modern terrorists don't need to train and mobilise near their intended target. There is absolutely no reason any terrorist would ever want to sneak illegally across the border from Mexico, when he can simply fly in from Yemen or Saudi on a commercial airline with a legal visa. But the bigots don't want to hear that, and seem to have an extremely odd idea of just what a terrorist looks like and how identifiable they are. They don't actually have to enter the country wearing a shemagh and suicide vest while screaming Allahu Akbar, but, you know, try telling the Usual Suspects that.

 

[smaneck]

I have family still living in Lebanon this very day and they are living well with their Muslim neighbors and not being overrun by "radical muslims", even with a huge influx of Syrian refugees coming into that nation (many of whom are Christian and most of the muslims of which are not "radical").

So who do I believe? Internet Lebanese lady or my family and friends and the family and friends of people in my Church who still live peacefully in beautiful Beirut???

Also, I wonder, does she ever talk about the violence that Lebanese Catholic (Maronite) militias have in the past committed against Christian Armenian groups, buildings, and neighborhoods?

What garbage

She was living in that 8X10 bomb shelter during the Lebanese Civil War when things were not so peachy. As I said in my early post, this had nothing to do with immigration, it had to do with Maronite Christians refusing to give Muslims a say in government proportionate to their numbers. As you know, the Maronites committed horrible atrocities during that conflict.

 

[smaneck]

Yet all the hysterical panic stories are about terrorist camps in Mexico, not Canada. Curious, no?

Which tells us what this is really about, pure unadulterated racism combined with religious bigotry.

 

[smaneck]

It wouldn't be a problem for them - Americans would help only to improve that country.

Actually, immigrating to Canada for US citizens isn't as easy as it might seem. I've looked into it.

 

[Armoured]

Which tells us what this is really about, pure unadulterated racism combined with religious bigotry.

I am aware of this.

My only question is, are the bigots aware of this, or are they so wrapped up in the pandering besiegement narrative that they really do think they're under threat?

 

[grandvizier1006]

Honestly, though...is it racist to you guys to want a secure border? I'm not talking about a wall. I'm talking about what we have with Canada where you can go up to a certain spot, hand in a passport, etc. at that spot. I also don't like that Canada straw man argument because the Canadian border is obviously more secure. Canadians aren't coming over here en masse.

Islamic terrorists aside, of course. I know Muslims aren't coming over the border and I know all about what the Lebanese Christians did.

 

[Extraneous]

The kingdom of Christ cannot be overrun with illegals. There is no ethnic race in the kingdom. Neither are there republicans and democrats.



Three scriptures, chapter three, they all agree.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 3 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

Philippians 3:20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,

 

[Armoured]

Honestly, though...is it racist to you guys to want a secure border? I'm not talking about a wall. I'm talking about what we have with Canada where you can go up to a certain spot, hand in a passport, etc. at that spot. I also don't like that Canada straw man argument because the Canadian border is obviously more secure. Canadians aren't coming over here en masse.

Islamic terrorists aside, of course. I know Muslims aren't coming over the border and I know all about what the Lebanese Christians did.

I don't think anyone is saying there's anything wrong with having a secure border. It's the claims about the dangers of Islamic terrorism that are the point of the thread, though.

That and the enormous marine nets. I'm still hoping to hear more about those.