Why we know the Day or Hour

[keras]

We do not know when the first Pentacost was. Could be 27 to 32 ad.

Yes, a good case can be made for several dates of when Jesus was acclaimed as King of the Jews, a=was Crucified and resurrected. I believe it was in 30AD, as that fits with 2 exact 2000 year periods - Adam to Abraham and Abraham to Jesus. The 3rd 2000 years to the glorious Return is nearly over.

However; the forthcoming Day when the Lord will take action to change the world and commence all the end times events, is unknowable to us.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Again and again it is said that no one knows when Jesus will return.

Mat 24:36
(36) But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

True. These are BIBLICAL FACTS. Who will we believe? You or God?

But the Bible says exactly when Jesus will return.

No, it does not.

The scripture says that Jesus will come at the end of the reign of the Antichrist. We know that the Antichrist will reign for 3.5 years. So, assuming the reign of the Antichrist begins today, we know that Jesus will return in exactly 3.5 years.

It is because of your man-made interpretation that we can know when by figuring out when the 3.5 literal years will begin from the day of Antichrist reign. Else Matthew 24:36 is a lie. The only conclusion is that your literal interpretation OBVIOUSLY is in an error.

Furthermore, this also disproves the idea that Jesus could return at any time. First of all, the Antichrist must appear, and since he has not yet appeared, we can say with absolute certainty that Jesus will not appear in the next 3.5 years.

First, you got the idea about the antichrist wrong because the Bible does NOT teach this.

Jesus Christ will return unexpectedly. The Elect will only be able to see the SIGNS of Christ's return, not knowing exact the day and hour. It is not about counting days on the calendar.

 

[Douggg]

However; the forthcoming Day when the Lord will take action to change the world and commence all the end times events, is unknowable to us.

Exact dates, days, month, or year - not known (at present). But the season, yes. By (1) the 2000 years indicator (2) the parable of the fig tree generation (3) the Gog/Magog event.

I watch world events for two things....

1. the identity of the little horn person confirmed by him becoming leader over a ten kings (leaders) group.
2. then afterward, the Gog/Magog event, which is immediately followed by the 7 years.

Putin, Zelensky, Ukraine conflict, the EU, Ukraine's full membership into the EU. Israel, her neighbors, temple mount. Factors to watch. We should probably include the Yanuka watch as well.

 

[keras]

I watch world events for two things....

You missed the one that the Lord is watching: Iran.
They have nukes and the missiles to deliver them. They will try to destroy Israel- Isaiah 22:6, Psalm 7:12-16, Psalms 83 and the Lord will destroy them Jeremiah 49:35-37
The Lords response will change the world and commence all the rest of the end times events. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Isaiah 66:15-17, Revelation 6:12-17, 2 Peter 3:7

 

[Douggg]

You missed the one that the Lord is watching: Iran.
They have nukes and the missiles to deliver them. They will try to destroy Israel- Isaiah 22:6, Psalm 7:12-16, Psalms 83 and the Lord will destroy them Jeremiah 49:35-37
The Lords response will change the world and commence all the rest of the end times events. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Isaiah 66:15-17, Revelation 6:12-17, 2 Peter 3:7

I just got through watching an Israeli news You Tube video which included some attacks on Iran's nuclear development.

 

[TribulationSigns]

By (1) the 2000 years indicator

Not true. That is speculation.

(2) the parable of the fig tree generation

If you believe this has to do with national Israel in the Middle East then that is another speculation. The Fig Tree is an evil generation that fought against the chosen generation spanning from Abel to Second Coming. Nothing to do with the rebirth of national Israel with 40, 50, 70, and now 75+ years.

(3) the Gog/Magog event.

If you believe this has to do with Russia and/or the arabs, then that is another speculation. God is not talking about literal nations fighting the nation Israel in the Middle with bullets and missiles but the army of counterfeit Christians with the word of Satan against God's chosen with Word of God in congregations all over the world.

I watch world events for two things....

1. the identity of the little horn person confirmed by him becoming leader over a ten kings (leaders) group.

Again you go with your speculation of "one man" with supernature taking over the coalition of Europe with a desire to capture the physical city of Jerusalem for Himself. Just speculation from the pre-millennial camp. The little horn signifies the power that Satan has for a short season to rule in the CHurch through his false prophets and christs.

2. then afterward, the Gog/Magog event, which is immediately followed by the 7 years.

Good luck with bringing Russia with assistance from Iran upon Israel. Not going to happen

Putin, Zelensky, Ukraine conflict, the EU, Ukraine's full membership into the EU.

Forcing God's Word to be interpreted by world events and news. That is a no-no.

Israel, her neighbors, temple mount.

Another example of forcing God's Word to be interpreted by world events and news. That is a no-no.

Factors to watch. We should probably include the Yanuka watch as well.

 

[rturner76]

The Bible says we don't know the day or the hour

 

[Diamond7]

I believe it was in 30AD

I go by 29ad mostly because of the Apophis asterold, but that does line up with Bishop Ussher.

 

[Strong in Him]

Again and again it is said that no one knows when Jesus will return.

It was Jesus himself who said that no one knows the day or hour - are you saying that he was lying?
He also told parables about the king/master returning before people were expecting him and about being ready. Why would he have done that if he really meant, "you can work out the date exactly, so there is no need to get ready until a few minutes before?"

 

[Zao is life]

Again and again it is said that no one knows when Jesus will return. But the Bible says exactly when Jesus will return. The scripture says that Jesus will come at the end of the reign of the Antichrist. We know that the Antichrist will reign for 3.5 years. So, assuming the reign of the Antichrist begins today, we know that Jesus will return in exactly 3.5 years.

Furthermore, this also disproves the idea that Jesus could return at any time. First of all, the Antichrist must appear, and since he has not yet appeared, we can say with absolute certainty that Jesus will not appear in the next 3.5 years.

1 Thessalonians 5
2 For you yourselves know accurately that the day of the Lord comes like a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety! Then sudden destruction comes on them, as travail upon a woman with child. And they shall not escape.
4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the Day should overtake you like a thief.
5 You are all the sons of light and the sons of the day. We are not of the night, or of darkness.

The day or hour is not the same as the year or the month, or the century. So obviously, when we see what Paul wrote about in 2 Thessalonians 2 taking place, we will know that there are around 3.5 years left - but we still won't know the day or the hour.

I don't know if this is true, but I've read that the day or the hour was associated by 1st century Jews with the priest blowing the shofar to declare the beginning of the Day of Trumpets, which was not blown until the first slither of the new moon had been sighted.

"Therefore watch; for you do not know what hour your Lord comes." Matthew 24:42.

It also (so I've read) has to do with the groom returning for his bride in a typical 1st century Jewish wedding. The groom would leave the town of his betrothed wife and go back to his father's house, and only return on the day appointed by his father. The bride and bridesmaids would wait for the groom to come to the bride's village to fetch her, not knowing at what time he wold come.

So we still neither know the year or the month, or even the century - but once the events spoken about by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2 begin to occur, we know that the time is short. Less than 4 years. And the day will not like a thief overtake those who are watching and waiting, who still will not know the day or the hour.