Why we know the Day or Hour

[Emun]

Again and again it is said that no one knows when Jesus will return. But the Bible says exactly when Jesus will return. The scripture says that Jesus will come at the end of the reign of the Antichrist. We know that the Antichrist will reign for 3.5 years. So, assuming the reign of the Antichrist begins today, we know that Jesus will return in exactly 3.5 years.

Furthermore, this also disproves the idea that Jesus could return at any time. First of all, the Antichrist must appear, and since he has not yet appeared, we can say with absolute certainty that Jesus will not appear in the next 3.5 years.

 

[Matt5]

You are going to mess up a lot of people with that kind of thinking. Of course, it's true but the implications are pretty big. I mention that we know when Jesus returns here:

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What are all those verses talking about that refer to the return of Jesus? We have to watch and be ready? Plus, how can we be watching when we aren't even there when Jesus returns? Remember, the mark of the beast wipes out the Christians before Jesus returns.

 

[Douggg]

Again and again it is said that no one knows when Jesus will return. But the Bible says exactly when Jesus will return. The scripture says that Jesus will come at the end of the reign of the Antichrist. We know that the Antichrist will reign for 3.5 years. So, assuming the reign of the Antichrist begins today, we know that Jesus will return in exactly 3.5 years.

Furthermore, this also disproves the idea that Jesus could return at any time. First of all, the Antichrist must appear, and since he has not yet appeared, we can say with absolute certainty that Jesus will not appear in the next 3.5 years.

Matthew 24:36, no one knows the day nor hour, is referring to the rapture/resurrection event, not Jesus's Return. The world will be at ease at that time, Matthew 24:38.

Differently, regarding Jesus's Return to end the great tribulation, a time of unequaled stress worldwide - that will be 2520 days from the day that the Antichrist confirms the covenant with many for 7 years in Daniel 9:27.

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Emun you need to refine your view of the Antichrist person. He goes through a series of stages. Only one of which is as the Antichrist.


First he is the little horn person, who becomes the leader over a group of 10 EU leaders.
Then following Gog/Magog event, he becomes the prince who shall come.
Then he is anointed the King of Israel, false messiah, to become the Antichrist.
Then he is revealed as the man of sin. Being the King of Israel, false messiah, Antichrist over at that point.
Then he becomes the beast of Revelation.

We can put it in one single line as...

the little horn > the prince who shall come > the Antichrist > the revealed man of sin > the beast

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Again and again it is said that no one knows when Jesus will return. But the Bible says exactly when Jesus will return. The scripture says that Jesus will come at the end of the reign of the Antichrist. We know that the Antichrist will reign for 3.5 years. So, assuming the reign of the Antichrist begins today, we know that Jesus will return in exactly 3.5 years.

Furthermore, this also disproves the idea that Jesus could return at any time. First of all, the Antichrist must appear, and since he has not yet appeared, we can say with absolute certainty that Jesus will not appear in the next 3.5 years.

What scripture are you using for the 3.5 years?

The antichrist is not going to appear as something bad. The devil will be impersonating the second coming of Jesus and scripture predicts the whole world will wander after him and most will be deceived. Thats why we need to be grounded in the Word of God, so we won't be deceived as Satan makes his final play on mankind.

 

[DavidPT]

Again and again it is said that no one knows when Jesus will return. But the Bible says exactly when Jesus will return. The scripture says that Jesus will come at the end of the reign of the Antichrist. We know that the Antichrist will reign for 3.5 years. So, assuming the reign of the Antichrist begins today, we know that Jesus will return in exactly 3.5 years.

Furthermore, this also disproves the idea that Jesus could return at any time. First of all, the Antichrist must appear, and since he has not yet appeared, we can say with absolute certainty that Jesus will not appear in the next 3.5 years.

Even reasoning it in this manner still makes Jesus out to be a liar when He already said this---But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father

Since the Father is the only one that knows that day and hour in advance, the only way for anyone else to also know that day and hour in advance, this obviously requires that the Father has to tell them in advance this day and hour. Seriously then, who can claim and be expected to be taken serious, that the Father has told them in advance when this day and hour will be? Trying to determine this the way you are is hardly an example of anyone being told in advance as to when that day and hour shall be. For example. Let's say the Father knows that Jesus will return on Tuesday January 5th. 2064 at precicly 6:45 PM. How can anyone else also possibly know that unless the Father has told them first?

And what if this 3.5 years are not even meaning the literal amount specified? What then?

 

[Douggg]

Even reasoning it in this manner still makes Jesus out to be a liar when He already said this---But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father

What the verse is referring to is the rapture/resurrection, because when Jesus leaves heaven to come for the rapture/resurrection event - the signal to do so come from the Father. Evident from 1Thessalonians4:14. Jesus does not do it on his own prerogative.


14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

 

[DavidPT]

What the verse is referring to is the rapture/resurrection, because when Jesus leaves heaven to come for the rapture/resurrection event - the signal to do so come from the Father. Evident from 1Thessalonians4:14. Jesus does not do it on his own prerogative.


14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

I find it unreasonable to assume that the day and hour which no one but the Father knows, that this is involving the beginning of the great tribulation. Or just as unreasonable, the way some Preterists apply it to be involving 70 AD. As if the great tribulation, and or the events of 70 AD, are more relevant than His coming involving the day of the Lord. Of course though, the way some of you interpret these things, His coming involving the day of the Lord is meaning the great tribulation, and or is meaning the events of 70 AD.

Except the following verse alone debunks any of that.

Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

This verse undeniably proves that His coming in any sense is not before or during anything recorded in Matthew 24:15-26, it is after. And in the event this is not ample proof alone, though it clearly should be, there is this to add to it as well, therefore, further proving no coming of Jesus in any sense takes place before or during the events involving verses 15-26.

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

But let's just ignore any of that, though. IOW, let's just totally disregard what Jesus plainly and undeniably said here.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Thread subject is funny, it's like saying the bible contradicts itself. "Why we know the day or hour" because some bibles are missing pages.

 

[SeventhFisherofMen]

Again and again it is said that no one knows when Jesus will return. But the Bible says exactly when Jesus will return. The scripture says that Jesus will come at the end of the reign of the Antichrist. We know that the Antichrist will reign for 3.5 years. So, assuming the reign of the Antichrist begins today, we know that Jesus will return in exactly 3.5 years.

Furthermore, this also disproves the idea that Jesus could return at any time. First of all, the Antichrist must appear, and since he has not yet appeared, we can say with absolute certainty that Jesus will not appear in the next 3.5 years.

Are you saying Jesus wasn't being honest when He said no one knows the day or the hour?

 

[Douggg]

Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

This verse undeniably proves that His coming in any sense is not before or during anything recorded in Matthew 24:15-26, it is after. And in the event this is not ample proof alone, though it clearly should be, there is this to add to it as well, therefore, further proving no coming of Jesus in any sense takes place before or during the events involving verses 15-26.

Matthew 24:27 is referring to Jesus's return, at the end of the great tribulation. A time of unmatched stress in the world.

Which does not correspond to Matthew 24:38, which indicates life as normal, no stress. Matthew 24:36 is for the rapture/resurrection event- before the great tribulation begins.


36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Matthew 24:27 is referring to Jesus's return, at the end of the great tribulation. A time of unmatched stress in the world.

Which does not correspond to Matthew 24:38, which indicates life as normal, no stress. Matthew 24:36 is for the rapture/resurrection event- before the great tribulation begins.


36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Therefore, those taken away by the rapture, are just like those who were taken away by the flood .. wicked.

 

[Douggg]

Therefore, those taken away by the rapture, are just like those who were taken away by the flood .. wicked.

No, those taken in the rapture are like Noah and his family who entered the ark and God closed the door to everyone else.

Then the flood came and took them who did not believe what was going to happen away. They drowned in the flood.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

No, those taken in the rapture are like Noah and his family who entered the ark and God closed the door to everyone else.

Then the flood came and took them who did not believe what was going to happen away. They drowned in the flood.

The people swept away were the ones "who did not know"

But Noah was aware. It's about the wicked getting swept away.

The rapture is a judgment from God upon the wicked.

It even says when the angels first gather, they will gather the weeds and burn them in the fire.

Only the second gathering is for the wheat, which is stored in the barn.

 

[keras]

The Day which will come like a thief, will be the great and terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. The sudden and shocking 24 hour day that the Lord will destroy the Islamic attackers of Israel, As prophesied in Psalms 83, and 100 other Bible prophesies. It will change the world and commence all the Prophesied end time events.

The OP is right, when the Anti-Christ; 'beast;, Satan, all the same person, sits in Gods Temple causing the abomination of desolation, then those alive at that time will know that exactly 1260 days later - Jesus will Return.
The idea that Jesus Returns like a thief, is ludicrous in the extreme and only believed by the confused and mistaken people.

 

[keras]

The rapture is a judgment from God upon the wicked.

There is much confusion among 'rapture to heaven' believers. Why is that?
BECAUSE, that fable is not anywhere to be found in the Bible. It is a totally fabricated and very pretentious claim.

They make 1 Thess 4:17 their 'proof' scripture, but that prophecy never even mentions heaven!
As for John 14:1-2, that is plainly a prophecy about the new Jerusalem, to come after the Millennium. Rev 21:1

 

[Douggg]

The rapture is a judgment from God upon the wicked.

The rapture is a combined event - the rapture of the living in Christ/and the resurrection of the dead in Christ. It is the blessed hope.

1Thessalonians4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

1Thessalonians5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The rapture is a combined event - the rapture of the living in Christ/and the resurrection of the dead in Christ. It is the blessed hope.

1Thessalonians4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

1Thessalonians5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

Yes, comfort each other with these words, that's the purpose.

it does not say, try to predict when and how it will happen with these words.

 

[SeventhFisherofMen]

Therefore, those taken away by the rapture, are just like those who were taken away by the flood .. wicked.

Why do you think God would take the wicked up to Heaven in the rapture? Where in the bible does it say anything about Jesus going to take the wicked when The Son of Man returns

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Why do you think God would take the wicked up to Heaven in the rapture? Where in the bible does it say anything about Jesus going to take the wicked when The Son of Man returns

Well, there is the tares being gathered first then burned. Also that mini rebellion before the judgment followed by the fire of God. The period before the millennial rule also results in the prophet of the beast and all who took the mark of the beast in the lake of fire.. The pattern of first the wicked are burned, then the wheat is gathered, seems to be pattern at the very least.

 

[Douggg]

Yes, comfort each other with these words, that's the purpose.

it does not say, try to predict when and how it will happen with these words.

1Thessalonians5:9-11 says that Christians are not appointed to the time of God's wrath. Which will be poured out in the vials of God's wrath during the great tribulation.

Although no one knows the day, nor hour of the rapture/resurrection event - it will be before God's wrath is poured out when the Day of the Lord begins.